Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

Exactly. Finally a voice of reason in this thread...

vice.com/en/article/7bmwgq/jesus-christ-king-of-poland-876

... check-mate, enemies of Poland. :)

Read and weep, Putin...

ucatholic.com/blog/did-you-know-jesus-is-officially-the-king-of-poland/

From Dmitry Medvedev's Telegram channel:

No one doubted that American lawmakers would approve "aid" to a gang of neo-Nazis. It was a vote of the joyous state bastards:
a) in favor of continuing the civil war of the divided people of our formerly united country;
b) for maximizing the number of victims of this war.

We will win, of course, despite the 61 billion bloody dollars that will mostly go down the throats of their insatiable military-industrial complex. Strength and Truth are behind us.

But in view of the Russophobic decision, I sincerely wish the USA to plunge into a new civil war as soon as possible. Which, I hope, will be cardinally different from war of the North and the South in XIX century and will be conducted with application of planes, tanks, artillery, MLRS, all kinds of missiles and other weapons. And which will finally lead to the ignominious collapse of the vile evil empire of the XXI century - the United States of America.

He probably couldn't sleep at night, he must have been drunk.

Medvedev's brain is indeed ruined by alcohol but surely even he realises That Ukrainian-Russian war is no more a civil war than the Polish-Soviet war was.

I guess he's just being honest, though.

The Polish-Russian war was a war of two different worlds. The current war is truly fratricidal. Well, such wars can be very bloody.

Every war is fratricidal as we are all children of God. However, calling a war between two separate, independent countries a "civil war" is nonsensical.

This fits into russian propaganda.

RU logic : Lets invade and occupy the most pro RU parts of a country, that will sure make the rest of the country even more pro RU.


Russia will keep be sanctioned to hell, all frozen assets will go to Ukraine an Ukraine would't withdraw its nato membership. That is non negotiable.

Putin wanted Russia stronk soviet union 2.0 capable of terrorizing its neighbors into submission and will end up with a North Korea style puppet state of CCP.

As realistic as your microchips in the vaccines posts

Ru logic - in 1991 in independency declaration Ukraine declared itself non-block country and in another agreement agreed to hand all former USSR foreign property to Russia in exchange to be free from their share of USSR debts. No agreements was made about Sevastopol and naval base that was never handed to Ukraine and stay subject of USSR subordination till last days (and not included in recognition, of course). Russia recognizes Ukraine independency on that conditions (without Sevastopol).

Later: Russia paid USSR debts in full, but Ukraine never handed any of USSR foreign property to Russia as agreed. Ukraine declared Sevastopol Ukrainian, and that was never recognised by Russia, though separate agreement divided USSR Black Sea fleet to Russian and ukrainian parts. Ukraine removed non-block status from their Constitution and put intent to join NATO there instead (m0rons) and started systematically to break agreements that was achieved earlier.

Question: Ukraine has changed the key factors that were declared when Russia recognizing its independence, and has become a threat to Russia, in fact selling its sovereignty for hypothetical future NATO membership. Should Russia continue to consider itself bound by the previously achieved recognition of Ukraine's independence under completely different conditions?

Pacta sunt servanda.
If it wants to be seen as a country that adheres to the rule of law and is part of the civilized world, then yes.

Russia has acknowledged Ukrainian independence and territorial integrity in the strongest possible terms. There are no unilateral take-backs.


Fixed that for you.

@Korvinus


Flawless logic. Second only to the claim that they fear NATO, yet start and continue a war that has objectively weakened their position against NATO in every way.

And where USSR property then, non-block status and guarantees to minorities rights, declared in independency declaration?

Russia tend to stick a Roman principle you just quoted with partners that do the same. But in that case, partner failed (and probably not planned at all) to implement agreement they signed initially.

Russia invaded Ukraine, and did all their other shenanigans in the 2010s as well, because Russia thinks Ukraine is in their sphere of influence so they get to control Ukraine. And that is and has been Russia's ultimate goal.

Of course you are bound by that. However it doesn't matter to you as North Nigeria does not respect any treaties or international laws.

You then decided to settle it on the battlefield, so far without success.

But what is North Nigeria looking for ? They say independence is null and void and thus that the USSR still exists ? So what you are saying is that North Nigeria and the USSR are the same entity ?

No. Ukraine would have had zero practical effect on Russia militarily or politically had Putin not a) bribed Yanukovych into supporting him and then b) staged proxy war when the Ukrainian people rejected Yanukovych for his betrayal.

Ukraine would have had done that had Russia not initiated and then escalated hostilities. Both politically and then militarily. Twice.


Yeah, it's that time of the month when you Russkies have another public meltdown. I'm just here to enjoy the tears.

@Korvinus


Indeed. Which really just adds to the negative effects of Putin's legacy for Russia. Not only has the war proven utterly disastrous for Russia, it was also completely avoidable.

Imagine the world we would live in today from a Russian point of view if Putin had taken the diplomatic victory that was offered to him in January 2022. Russian prestige and military reputation would still beincredibly high in the eyes of the world, while the USA would still be reeling from the defeat in Afghanistan. Russia would still be trading with the West at favourable conditions, while the relevance of NATO in the perception of its' members would continue to decline. A lot of the ressources that went into the war could have be invested into Russia (those not stolen by Putin and his entourage of course), preventing the mounting failures in Russian infrastructure, which is only getting worse with time.

But yeah, fighting a multi-year full-scale war over heavily destroyed territory that is heavily undermining Russia's economic development and geostrategic position is much more preferable... .

Reminds me of how historians sometimes ask the question: "How would Hitler have been perceived today if he stopped after Munich 1938".

Hm... US and Britain tend to say, that we live in a "rules-based world order". As you can imagine, rules is invented in real time, anglos assumed that they will be only source of freshly invented rules. ;) Unfortunately (for anglos), Russia is also started inventing rules when their neighbours think that it is possible to make a blowjob to US and then do anything, not looking back to previous agreements. ;)

Peak russia....

Soldier is killed in Ukraine. But what really steams his mother's hams are the fact that he had let his girlfriend live in his apartment and she stole all the furniture. Apparently mom thought she'd be getting a fully furnished place... She's contacted the police but they don't care...

Such a mystery why Ukrainians don't want to "live" like russians....

twitter.com/victoriaslog/status/1781986139236139367

@mafketis


Everything that is wrong with Russia in a nutshell. Parroting Russian propaganda (SMO), lack of empathy, greed, useless authorities.

The only thing missing was the obligatory "If only comrade Putin knew...."

And it is only downhill from now on for them.

And that is the difference between 1938 Czechoslovakia and 2022 Ukraine - one had the international community pushing it to surrender while the other has the international community actively supporting it in its resistance. Looks like people actually do learn from history sometimes.

But Velund the 1991 settlement with the debts and the military bases and all the rest of it was between the former countries of the USSR.

Nothing to do with the US and god only knows why you bring Britain into it.

You North Nigerians see everything through the lens of unfairness and that life owes you a living.

Why did the US object to Cuba receiving Soviet arms? Was it because Cuba was in the sphere? Duh!

Why did the US intervene in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan? Were they in the sphere, too? That sphere seems to have no boundaries...

Always asking the same, long debunked questions. Can't you be more creative.

RU and UA have the same average IQ, 97
brainstats.com/en/average-iq/ukraine
brainstats.com/en/average-iq/russia
Baltic countries and Poland have a higher average IQ than Russia.

Meanwhile the countries that support Russia :
Iran : Average IQ = 84 brainstats.com/en/average-iq/iran
Venezuela : Average IQ = 84 brainstats.com/en/average-iq/venezuela
Cuba : Average IQ = 85 brainstats.com/en/average-iq/cuba
South Africa : Average IQ = 77 brainstats.com/en/average-iq/south-africa

The South American countries with average IQ > 90 like Argentina, Uruguay and Chile are in Ukraine side. Milei recently gave helicopters to Ukraine.
msn.com/en-us/news/world/argentina-strengthens-ties-with-ukraine-by-donating-russian-helicopters/ar-BB1jdtru
The Asian countries like Taiwan and South Korea which are the highest IQ countries are also the ones who are supporting Ukraine the most.

Poland manages to do it. Partly because Poland is becoming better and part because the "anglosphere", worse
euronews.com/next/2023/02/03/polands-reverse-brain-drain-meet-the-poles-returning-home-to-work-in-its-booming-tech-sect

And who "debunked" this question?


Now find an article that explains the linking of IQ tests to native language and the dependence of the average score on the quality of adaptation. I'm too lazy to do that for you today.

Then print out your post on heavy glossy paper, roll it up tightly, and stick it yourself to a place where the sun never shines.

By whom?

To debunk = to expose the falseness

What is false in 1764?

Memo to morons:

If the US had a legal and moral justification to intervene in Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Ukraine, adjusting for distance and ethnic issues, Russia has 100 times more reasons to intervene in Ukraine.

Duh!

@Velund


Several users on this forum, myself included. It just gets tiresome at some point.


For example, it is objectively false to claim that the USA invaded Korea. The US came to the defense of South Korea at the request of the UN security council and in accordance with international law.

You don't even know what "debunk" means so stay in your ignorant lane.