Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

For Novi, invading a country to steal resources and impose a regime change is only bad if the west does it.

The sabers are rattling today again.
Russia today warned the United Kingdom that if British weapons were used by Ukraine to attack Russian territory, Moscow could respond by striking British military facilities and equipment in Ukraine and beyond.

Right laugh - how the hell do the North Nigerians think they are going to pull that off ?

Some videos online now of the Ukies starting to use their new American missiles, taking out hundreds of poor farm boys at a time. The teatowel factories will need some extra shift to keep up with the demand, I would be sympathetic if they were conscripts but if they volunteered then they must be leepared for the consequences.

That's what happens when you eat more than you can digest. Running such a huge multi-national empire is a tricky business. In the 19th and most of the 20th century they had us to help, so the empire was held together. Without Poland things started quickly going downhill for Russia.


Easy:

1. F*ck Marilyn Monroe.
2. Start a special military operation to de-communize and demilitarize Mexico.
3. Go back to point 1.


That's a valid reproach, BB. Touché.

Ukraine didn't beg before the "revolution".


Brilliant. Putin did the very same thing. Smart Putin.
Who owns the vagina is a mystery to me that I am positively disinterested in solving.

I have a better idea...Let's send the US Marines and B-2s to finish off Russia once and for all...

Would you be in favor of this solution? Or are you going to weasel out with some idiotic Polish metaphor?

Too close and too radical for comfort, Polish morons?

There's something to this...

Many Russians obsess over several quotes from Zbiegnew Brzezinski (mostly ripped out of the proper context), the main one of which is that Russia needs Ukraine to act as an Empire. No Ukraine, no Empire. People see in this some proof of America's far reaching plans to dismantle Russian power, starting from the 1980s.

The truth, however, is that if Brzezinski was alive today he would likely be in the camp of Scholz and Biden.

Back to your point... Brzezinski was correct in his evaluation of Ukraine's importance to Russia. As a Pole, he was able to grasp these things in a different way than the rest of the foreign policy establishment in America.

However, I never considered if Poland had a similar role/function....

In some ways, Poland is a bigger prize than Ukraine.

First, the minuses:

1) Yes the population is quite a bit smaller
2) There's a lot less natural resources
3) The territory is also significantly smaller
4) No direct access to southern seas

The pluses:

1) Incredibly strategic position, which allows to project power deep into the Continent
2) 1,100 years of REAL history, not fake history like our little brothers. This should enrich Russia, rather than create endless toxic debates.
3) Member of EU and NATO
4) The largest group among Western Slavs (immediately gives more credibility to Panslavic idea)

Why would Vlad nuke part of Ukraine he says he wants to have as part of Russia? Simple answer. To show the west he doesnt GAF if he can use or posses the land, that he is willing to use some tactical nukes, and that the west wont do $hit about it. And then, this was is over. The US is not going to start a war directly with Russia when its 6 months from presidential elections. Poland and no other NATO country is going to do $hit without the US. England France and Germany are all talk and wont do anything without the US. Macron was trying to blow Vlad not even two years ago. And Olaf was trying to give him a back rub while it happened. All the tough talk here completely ignores agressive strategic thinking and logic.

....putting your armies to the border, making everybody and his grandmom ally in fear to prepare for war against you...isolated and sanctioned is truly a limited power.

Compare that with only a few years back, a well liked guest in all high houses, speaking to parliaments....equal to all other government heads....enriching his people with easy and lotsa trade money...now THAT is true power....having a voice which is being listened to...meaning having true INFLUENCE!

A simple question even dumb Polaks should be able to answer...

If NATO dissolved itself after the Warsaw Pact did, would Russia invade Ukraine?


As always, brilliant, simple, and to the point.

Nope. There's around 26-28 million people left in Ukraine, Poland has over 40 million population...

worldometers.info/world-population/poland-population/


Still, our farming could feed 120 million people and we have practically everything apart from oil, gold and diamonds.


Larger than Italy. In European terms that means quite a large country.


But politically - via Intermarium - we have access to Adriatic, Black Sea and the Baltic.

As for pluses, I agree and would also add strong economy, decent army (and getting better), good scientific/research base, overwhelmingy white Christian population. So, what is Russia waiting for? Make us an offer. A decent one, involving aid in developing Polish force de frappe, privileged access to Siberian resources, and significant influence on ruling the entire Empire (seriously, you need someone to keep the whole бардак in order).

Do not make threats, fear is not in our genes. Do not make insults, we cannot be insulted by lesser nations. Make an offer. You are brotherly Slavs, blood is thicker than water - make an offer: we will take a look, we will see.

Grow up.

They wanted to treat us as a resource colony.

Good for providing oil/gas/metals - but not allowed to do anything else.

Now, for the first time since 1991 we are reindustrializing. We are choosing our friends, without looking at anybody's reaction. We say what we want. We do what we want.

What you try to present as a "strategic failure of Russia", regardless of the outcome of the war in Ukraine... is actually a dynamic thing which is still very much in flux.

Whether or not Russia emerges from this conflict with a "strategic win" is something that is still being determined. That is why Macron and Biden suddenly woke up over the last few months. Precisely because they see the potential of a complete restructuring of the world if Russia wins.

If we win, it won't matter what we lost when Finland and Sweden joined NATO, or when France refused to sell us chocolates and cheese. This is why your political leaders are sh*tting in their pants.

They know we can still win.

The "Russia has already lost on the strategic plane" argument is made to cover their ass, in case Ukraine ends up crashing and burning. In reality, nothing is confirmed and nothing is certain. The ball is in play, and the final whistle has still not been blown.

Who calls who first is not that important. The critical first step is removing the US military from Europe to deflate Europe's fake bravery.

Then invite Russia to the US-less ETO. It's that simple. Russia once asked if it could join that damn American-made and dominated snake and was told no.

Germany is the only country that I see a leader here...Time to forgive yourself and flex that German muscle...

Something Russians can actually offer, unlike the Poles.

In this sense, Russia does have a different strength than Poland. More like Britain and the US, with their Rishi Sunaks and Nikki Haleys, we can actually totally tolerate a Polish leader - something that Poles do not seem to be comfortable with... through xenophobia or what have you.

I mentioned this in the past, and Pawian and Korvinus thought I was an absolute troll. Ironside, to his credit, actually seems to understand Russia's multinational nature much better... but he takes it to another extreme where he says that there is no such thing as a Russian. To Ironside, we're a mongrel mix of Poles, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Germans, Tatars, with no concept of "nation". That is also wrong - we know who we are.

However, Russia has a long history of being ruled by Scandinavian princes, Mongolian khans, German emperors, Georgian and Ukrainian general secretaries, etc...

The only thing that matters is that you love and care for the many different people within, and treat them as your family.

You sell what you can, everybody does....is that an insult now?


China or North Korea for friends??? And you tell me to "grow up"???


What exactly will Russia win? Is being an outcast in Europe such a victory now?


It will take a few more years.....we need to rebuild the Bundeswehr, have to long trusted the peace in the East....and need definitely another gov with another Chancellor!

It is my understanding that the Soviet Union was very accommodating and protective of non-Russian minorities.

The difference between the USSR and Western Europe is that the Soviet non-Russians were natives where they lived whereas the EU non-whites are illegal scum in search of the best welfare country. That is why Poland is not at the top of their shopping list and why Germany stupidly is.

Memo to Germany: Make your migrant paychecks equal to the lowest amount the law allows.


I am available and will be the best German ever.

Well, the problem with Germany though is that their "elites" seem to be crazy about the climate religion, settling Europe with brown/black peoples and pushing the whole transLGBTQRSTUVXYZ nonsense down our throats. This is insulting to both our common sense and Our Lord Jesus Christ King of Poland.


Such a nasty word. Oikophilia is the one that should be used instead.


Why not. If there is a good offer on the table, we can love and care.

The world does not end in Europe.

Since this war has started, we have kicked the French out of West Africa. Niger, CAR, DRC, Senegal are now our friends.

We have strengthened our relations with Central and Latin America, at the expense of America.

China has its first "ally" in centuries, and its... Russia. They see that we are wild and crazy, something they lack, and that we can actually do the things we say we can do.

Meanwhile, you are buying your oil and gas from the same Arabs that you hate, that have monarchies, and medieval attitudes towards their citizens. I hope you feel this is better than buying from Russia.

Of course, we are surprised that Azerbaijan and Qatar are "kosher" for you people, while we are not, but then again... nothing you ever did made much sense.

Thing is in multi-kulti countries the natives are moving where the money is....they don't stay there where they are native but move elsehwere, where they are not natives but where are the jobs.

It happened to the Soviets as to the Brits....


Agreed!

But many of Putin's supporter are proud Europeans...or even proud Whites....proud Christians, whatever!

They all think Putin will be the big rescue of the white, christian West....they couldn't be more wrong, thank you for your confirmation!

You have to convince them you mean business.
Start with mass deportations, criminalize new illegal arrivals, remove all magnets, and you will be amazed...and fvck the EU if necessary ...

We are not Germany. We don't import Syrians and Afghans because Christ commanded us to.

Our ethnic minorities have lived where they live, since before the Russian state was created.

Russia's job has been to make them comfortable, and desire us over their own tyrannical leaders.

We did it through various methods over the centuries. Such as freedom from conscription, freedom from taxes, freedom of religion, etc.

Surprise, surprise... most "hypothetical" Uzbeks preferred enlightened Russian rule to the rule of their local Amirs and Sheikhs.

....also for that we need a new gov!!!


We don't import them either....they just keep coming!

That's exactly what I said.


Turn off the magnets and they will stop!

I don't care about this, but can still say that Putin's program at least does make space for this.

Russia is unique. We do not have to re-tread your "multi-culti" mistakes.

We have a centuries old methodology and protocol for incorporating any foreign population - even if they are Manchus from the far Northeast of Eurasia.

The only criteria - as I said - is loyalty to Russia. Pretty simple.

...sounds like the US! Or even Germany....won't work out that way, people with eyes can see that already on the horizon.

I truly wish for Russia you will be more successful, but that will be hard to believe! Ethnic/cultural numbers become a political power, sooner or later!

I refuse this racist framework :)

I think rather the mistake is in your own implementation.

It's a little crazy, to invite people to sit on your neck and hang their legs down.

Russia doesn't promise anyone Medicare/Medicaid/Food Stamps.

Our immigrants work or perish. Germany, in contrast, is Disneyland.

Well, your offer must have been better than what their local Amirs and Sheikhs offered them.

So - I will ask again - why not make Poland a genuine, sensible offer? Why do you have offers for Uzbeks, Germans, Hungarians, Belarussians, Armenians etc. etc. but for us only threats and insults?

You think no offer will work because we are loyal to NATO? Think again.

We learnt the value of loyalty on numerous occasions:

- when Austria partitioned us, not even a century after we saved their very existence in Vienna - we learned;
- in 1939 when our dear western allies stood and watched as the Third Reich and the USSR partitioned us - we learned;
- in Tehran, Yalta and Potsdam - we learned.

Our anuses are sore from all the loyalty.

Now, we finally realised that in politics loyalty doesn't matter. What matters is tangible, substantial, concrete things on offer for mutual benefit. Yes, we learned it very late, after a millenium of being f*cking suckers. But, hey, better late than never, right?


*facepalm*

Grow up, kiddo.

You can make them go back by non-enforcement. Oh...they broke your windows?...we are so sorry ...we will investigate and let you know...
It's that simple. See Biden and his open border. A classic case of selective non-enforcement

....a "little" crazy???

Well...no argument here...just saying that Russia nears it's own demographic catastrophe...and adding a few million hostiles with a "victory" against Ukraine surely won't help!

(...and now we are back to the thread topic:)

Make abortions illegal Polish style and booze very rare..