Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

Ok, ok, boss...

I am an unusual "fruit" in Russia. You may have to wait for me to come into power, or at least become a trusted advisor to someone who has control over policy.

Until such time, there is little I can guarantee.

Different people are in control of the wheel in Russia now, than me.

I think the proportion of people friendly to Poland is around 30%, and the remaining 70% are antagonistic.

I would need to organize a massive information campaign in Russia to reforge Poland's image. I would need help for this, and not only monetary.

With Poland on German welfare and under the US umbrella, it's too late.

.....yeah.....well....

*goes for a beer to drown his sorrows*

No kidding! :)


Yeah, when propaganda wheels start turning, it's rather difficult to reverse their movement, isn't it?

Oh, well... NATO it is then. *sighs heavily with sad Slavic heart*

Cause not enough Poles are big enough suckers to fall for it?


Vladimir Pozner all over again, smooth talking/writing and trying to make the latest iteration of russian imperialism seem nice and reasonable (even as you yourself don't want to live there).

Poland can never reconcile with russia because the values are too irreconcilable ... Poland has, for centuries, stood for human freedom, individual rights and individual dignity...... none of those are values in russia where human life is worthless, the worship of brute power endemic and people have no rights or sense of dignity.

Mumbo jumbo about slavic souls can't paper over the divide.

Do you even understand what brute power is, to be able to speak about it in the way you do?

Why do people gravitate towards it?

What is its allure?

Oh boy. Russia holds a measly 20% of Ukraine and can barely move 5 km a day against a very weak Ukraine Military. I think Russian threatening Poles should do some very serious navel gazing. As if you tried any of the lame invasion on a NATO member; your crap military is going to lose very badly.

Without question, I reckon that Poland on their own would beat the puny Russians, but with NATO's aid it is a forgone conclusion.....

Grudges will be settled!

No way. If that was a possible outcome, you are claiming that spending billions on weapons makes no sense and that 40 million Poles are as strong as 144 million Russians.

What you just said is beyond ridiculous.


No, it's not. This war is NATO vs Russia already with useful U proxies as useful idiots.

If NATO with the 20 to 1 advantage in military budget attacked Russia directly that war would be nuclear in the first 30 minutes, you would be vaporized, and London would look like Hiroshima times 100.

Exactly. r*SSia has a long record of sabre-rattling and the consequences of challenging a NATO country would be devastating for them.


Nobody cares. r*SSia can say what they like.

Run your mouth while you can because in another 182 days Trump will be back and there will be a good chance the United States will no longer be a NATO member.

Then what will happen to all these skinny little nerds that stand behind their big brawny brother yapping b.s. like a little ankle biter dogs.


F no they don't but I am afraid these loudmouth little pis willies are about to find out real soon.
This why I try to avoid this thread full of clueless boasting idiots that don't know how to listen.

If Ukraine joined NATO tomorrow, would NATO go to war with Russia?

Yes, I know about that clause that prevents admitting countries with unresolved border conflicts so don't go there looking for excuses...

NATO is free to exempt Ukraine from this condition tomorrow as a one-time exception. This means that by Monday I expect a NATO-Russia war.

Azholes...

Suicide is usually also just a one time exception....

That's why nobody is in a hurry to have a real war with Russia. What's left is talking shYt from the High Moral Ground.

Like U is winning, Russia is out of ammo, and Putin will end up in the Hague.

It is not a war with NATO - only with Ukraine. And North Nigeria is not making much progress

The North Nigerians receive way more arms than Ukraine. They get them from their muslim masters in Iran and their fellow freedom haters in China,

I thought it was Putin has cancer and will be dead by Christmas.
These dumbed down bootlickers must not have ever heard the term, "Never underestimate your enemies."

newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2024/05/russia-cannot-afford-lose-need-victory-sergey-karaganov-what-putin-wants

This is an excellent article interviewing a former Putin assistant. The expression here on PF that Poland could take Russia on its own, is nonsense. Poland, after more than two years of agressive recruiting still has not reached its target military numbers. Would Poles fight if invaded? Yes. But does Poland have a taste for entering the fight in Ukraine? Fvck no. Tusk would never even think about it. Poles wont even shoot down Russian missiles when they enter our air space.

I don't think Poland could on its own. However a small coalition of say Poland, Romania and Czech would handily defeat the drunkards with their Korean War rifles

There is no doubt that the North Nigerians have improved their defensive abilities. The problem is that they have no way to move forward - they won't use their Air Force (due to lack of sober pilots probably) and they still can't do much more than artillery followed by a meat grinder assault - the same tactics they were using at Tannenburg in 1914

Probably because they just graze it and are out seconds later.


I'd guess that would have more chance and that in any case such a coalition would be larger. If the situation got as serious as that, other countries would be involved not least to contain it.


Don't forget North Korea. Not a source of quality products however r*SSia are desperate.

@cms neuf
Calling them drunkards, and other names does not change the situation on the ground. They are pushing back Ukraine once again and taking land. Regardless of how they do it, they are having success. And Ukraine is not boldtering is manpower numbers so it can compete with Russia directly. The US has said, Ukraine is in a defensive position and will look to make offensive moves more in 2025. In 2025? That is a WTF idea of successful defense? No. That is a statement that Ukrainian people do not want to fight.

All this while F16s are likely to be in the air in Ukraine this week or next. And Russia telling everyone they will treat those F16s as nuclear capable. So when chatter on other messaging services starts talking about tactical nukes, people need to start taking that seriously and think about things a little more. How are those planes being delivered to Ukraine is my question. Flying them through Polish airspace would be a big mistake.

The situation on the ground is that it is 9.18 local time and the North Nigerians are already smashed on their home made bimber.

As for the rest - pathetic. They have been bluffing about their rusty nukes for 2 years. Of course the invaders don't want to see F16s and of course we will let them fly through our sovereign airspace

Chatter on messaging sites is about the only place the North Nigerians are competent. Any actual fighting involving correctly maintained weapons and modern tactics is a disaster for them

What do you think about Chinese and Iranians (and Ugandans) supplying weapons ?

@cms neuf
Calling them names and criticizing how they are fighting isnt changing the fact that they are taking back ground. And no, Poland isnt that fvcking stupid to fly or allow flights from F16s to originate or go through its airspace. That would be directly entering the war, and guaranteed to not only escalate, but probably see something within Polish borders happen.

China, Iran or anyone else can do business with anyone else. China really has no choice because their economy is in a complete free fall. This is why Xi is in Europe now. Iran should have been vaporized a long time ago, and Joe Biden gave them billions to be used on humanitarian aid, so now Iran can redirect funds to build more weapons and fund more jihadists. Joe Biden has done just as much to escalate things in Ukraine as he has in Israel, the guy is a fvcking retard and cannot be let to stay in office while his left wing fvcktards make these policies. Dont even get started on the collective retardism in the UK,

It's all they've got and their generals well undertsand the inevitable consequences of using them.

And much bigger mistake will be servicing of that planes on Polish airports (there is no ukrainian techs who can do anything more that reload ammo), and then briefly land (or even flow over) ukrainian airstrip and then fly to fight mission. But m0rons fail to understand this.

BTW: Rich, there may be easy explanation of anomaly you mentioned. Probably that m0rons never get in their life their own personal face beaten well enough by legs in a heavy boots, and think that in case if such threat appear, John Rambo immediately jumps out from nearest bushes and solve things in a seconds.

It's two-sided... on the one hand you have adults who want to be fed, taken care of and told what to do.... the idea of having any decision making power terrifies such people and they want to retreat to the safety of infancy..... so many russians (on channels like russia 401 are psychologically infants whether they're 19, 45 or 78....)

On the other hand, I grew up in the segregated south and contrary to popular memory, it wasn't rich and powerful whites who had an interest in maintaining segregation they didn't care or were sympathetic to blacks. The fiercest proponents of segregation were low status whites because segregation kept them one step off the absolute bottom.

That's the whole dynamic of russian expansion.... a pyramid scheme where people excuse or cling to their poverty (not just economic but psychological and social) because they get to imagine themselves as the top of the heap or at least above the latest poor wretches sucked into the pyramid.

There are people like that in Poland but they're a minority... the russian way of life (like dogs subsisting on crumbs that fall from the table of their masters) does not appeal to the majority.

All current activity is "inevitable consequences" of events like banderite Odessa massacre and attempt of ethnic cleanising in Donbass. And world started to change, in direction that is very unfortunate to anglos and their lapdogs.

No one believes in or cares about russian fairytales...

Erm... no, it wouldn't. Tanks and artillery were rolling into Ukraine from Poland since 2022; how are planes different?


Fail to understand what?

Beliefs is solely your own problem. There is a lot of choices invented. You can believe even in holy Article V, it is what freedom of faith is for....


Sapienti sat.