Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

A bit more about freedom of faith. Beliefs can be weird... ;)

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How much ground are these drunks taking ? No essays, just km.

How much money are these sloshed losers spending for those few km ?

How many lives are they wasting ?

Of course letting planes through our airspace does not make us direct participants. We are just helping our friends and neighbors who have been illegally invaded by rapists

Is fundamentalist Iran a direct participant in the war ? What about the grass eaters of North Korea ?

Ukraine will not be making offensive moves anytime soon. No amount of scrapping weapons off the bottom of the West's military junk yard will save Ukraine. They have an utter and fatal lack of troops. No amount of donations is going to fix that. Ukraine has to go to war and draft troops or go extinct. This is the most maddening aspect of the war so far.

Johnny Rocket Wunderbar Weapons are all neat tricks that work for a few weeks and it's over. Just like fanboi's are beating their chests about coming F-16's; they will quickly join a long list of wonder weapons not working like they did. People laughed about "House Tanks". Not so much anymore since "House Tanks" have nullified magical drones that some hailed wrongly as the new form of warfare. Town after town after town have fallen under the use of house tanks clearing the skies of drones lately.

*rolls eyes*

Ukrainian tanks are fixed and serviced in Poland all the time, so...


... how are planes different? Don't give me Latin, give me a simple answer.

For all we know he may be the one, using her mobile phone to keep her presents here, in between constant babbling.


It was EU and NATO that decided Ukraine has to die for them. They arranged for battle theater.

What towns have fallen to your crappy tanks ?

Name them

A few small villages - that is all the North Nigerians have captured since Feb. and in return probably 40,000 limbless veterans will be hopping around Moscow's metro stations begging for another 20 years.

Neither the EU nor NATO invaded Ukraine.... russia invaded Ukraine.

which doesn't change the fact that the US (also Polish and now maybe even French) leadership treats this war as a proxy war with Russia (and China)

Maybe they do - but the North Nigerians have been fighting proxy wars against defenseless little nations for the last 20 years. It's easy to bully and rape in Chad and Ossetia, not so easy when you are facing modern weapons and tactics

Ossetia is full on board with Russia and it always has been since the demise of the Soviet Union - perhaps you mean Georgia or Chechnya - I wouldn't call these wars proxy wars either: Russian military was directly involved in them

US may be playing its global power games but in this instance Polish (and Ukrainian) interests align with American ones: we all want and need weeker, impotent Russia. But for us and Ukraine this need is not an element of global game, it's our raison d'etat.

First time the Russians occupied us, they quit after 123 years, only when their state collapsed in WW1. Second time they occupied us they left after 45 years... only when their state collapsed. Countries controlled by Russia are pretty have pretty sh*it economy, just look at Transnistria, DPR, LNR, even Belarus. Only cooperation with the West offer actual prospects for prosperity, as proven by EU member states of Central Eastern Europe.

It's not only about temporary 'bleeding' Russia but about a permanent solution: blocking Russia's expansion west, which is threatening to both us and the Baltic States. Basically similar to Pilsudski's plan of creating a local coalition of countries that together form a bulwark against Russian imperialism. Independent, NATO-aligned Ukraine would be our strongest ally in this plan.

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not really - Ukraine desperately wants to join the EU - and we have confilicting interests with them (at least in the agricultural sector) as shown by the last couple of years (and indeed right now)

Ukrainians if they join EU will be forced to follow eussr regulations. What makes UA farmers competitive is the low regulations which they need to follow.

EU and NATO illegally installed nazi regime that tortured local Russians and endangered security of Russia on the short and long run. So, of course, Russia had to react.

Russia has captured 13 in just a couple of days. Not all tiny villages. Some with refractory and brick factories.To many of the West drink the propaganda spews out. They are seriously in trouble. Whole brigades of reinforcements have been decimating attempting to retreat. It is sad some folks want to ignore these very real problems. It is why I am starting to write this war off as not worth helping. When you get confronted with the very bad news made by Ukrainian sources; you stupid people leap up and shout Putin,Putin,Putin.

@Torq
Ground delivery is one thing. Those gound supply lines have to be changed daily in order to protect those entry points. Those same ground movements are being done by US troops, and Vlad has been careful to avoid them. Its a lot different than Ukraine pilots flying fighter jets. Flying out of or through Poland is an escalation. And if those F16s are shot down over Poland? What happens then? Its a pandoras box better left closed.

@Velund
You are incorrect about maintnance. Ground crews have been trained and parts are in place for service. New airfileds have been under construction for months. The fact is that Vlad and the Russian pilots do not want to meet up with these F16s and when Russia no longer has control of the air, things can change. But they wont change if Z refuses to mobilize more men.

@dannytoro1


If course this war is worth helping, both for morale and pragmatic reasons. The Russians are paying for every village they take in blood and equipment. In the last week alone they are confirmed to have lost two planes and more than two dozens of tanks and armoured vehicles. Weapons and men they can no longer use against Poland and the Baltic states.

I wouldn't bet on that, tbh

Polish intelligence chief warns Putin prepares for 'mini-operation' in NATO territory.

Well PolAm I do remember Putler personally flying a jet once - surely an active brave man like him will relish the chance of a dogfight with an F16

I very much liked Petr Tolstoy's interview to the French TV channel. It was absolutely straitforward an simple with good "vibes". If the French send their solders, we will kill them all

You forgot Portugal and Spain.


Polish intelligence should have warned Z in March 2022 that Putin is preparing an invasion of Ukraine and that in two years 500,000 Ukrainians will be dead, millions gone, and 20% of Ukraine will belong to Russia. All because that POS Johnson told Z not to talk to P.

A question to keyboard warriors: Is Ukraine better off now than what it would be if Russia's 2022 demands were met?
In other words, was it worth if for the average Ukrainian?

Shall i remind you what was the result of "Pilsudskiy'splan"?

How would you kill these French troops ?

Suicidal bayonet charge ?

Special airborne operation after a long evening of drinking ?

Artillery barrage using guns from the 1956 invasion of peaceful Hungary ?

Tank charge in one of your 1960s tanks, now so covered in chicken wire that the turret won't move ?

Same way as russian army killed polish mercenaries

Well, how many Ukrainians are in favor of negotiations? How many of them believe that even if UA gives everything that RU wanna, RU will leave them alone? The more a country breaks its words, the less value its words have. And every Ukrainian that I saw talking about peace deals believe that RU would't honor any peace deal.


Russia said that their country is independent in 1991, in 1998, in 2004 and hence their country is independent. I can't give a house to someone and decades later invade to occupy the house that I gave to someone. Or sign divorce papers and decades later try to kidnap the woman saying that she belongs to me.

No one is stupid enough to believe that..... they're just in favor of appeasing russia on a longer time line.

If that house will be rented to mafia, that prepares to kill you, shooting window to window, you will not only occupy that house.... ;)

you probably don't understand the concept of a proxy war - I will give you an example of a Soviet proxy war so you can possibly grasp it: Vietnam war

Anyone who follows Russian media knows that the failed restoration of the USSR was the main reason for this war. They even speak of the Red Army, Soviet Army again, worship Stalin and everything great the USSR allegedly accomplished.

After the brief chaos of the 1990s Russia has been run by the KGB / now FSB. They installed a KGB agent as lifelong president, were able to pull the strings in Ukraine for over a decade like poisoning Yushchenko, kept a Soviet styled dictator in Belarus and were completely pissed off when Ukraine changed government without their consent because that could only mean the beginning of a successful "Anti-Russia" with EU/NATO membership in which people would be infinitely better off.

The plan of the SMO was of course a new USSR with Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia and then work their way into the Baltics and Central Asia. It would of course be a USSR without communists. Replaced with Mafia.

That plan could actually have worked had they not let their army go to sh*it and bought expensive dachas from the defense budget. The Red Army would obviously have rolled through Ukraine in 2 months tops, not got caught in a traffic jam through Chernobyl.