Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11

Where have we heard that lie before while the smell of sulfur was present ?

We are talking Putin here....he won't care about some old treaties, you know!


Yeah...who would have thought Russia would ever try something with Ukraine....these doofies!

@PolAmKrakow


Tired of what, exactly? Selling your weapons and LNG gas to us at a huge profit? Where exactly lies the "burden" for the US in supporting Ukraine You get all the benefits (more energy and weapon sales) without the true costs that the Europeans are carrying (accomodating refugees, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine which lets' face it, Ukraine won't be in any position to pay back, and should not be expected to).


We are in the year 2024 and you still think Putin's regime is bothered by the legality of its' actions? They just announced that they want to redraw their maritime borders unilaterally with several neighbours along the Baltic Sea... .

A curious news article from Ukraine...

Rather, not a news article, but an open letter by the editor-in-chief of Ukraine's leading newspaper.

Ukrainska Pravda's Sevgil Musayeva, is writing about the "kidnapping" of her news editor responsible for economic coverage, by military recruiters. This dude, dutifully enrolled into the government's new mobilization app the same day that it was released, and was planning to join the army voluntarily in June - after covering a big business summit for his newspaper. He decided also, then, that he would go and visit his family in Odessa.

On his way there, he was stopped at a checkpoint by recruiters. His laptop and phone were confiscated. For a day, his family and his employer had no idea what had happened to him - fearing the worst.

Today, he resurfaced, already as an active member of the armed forces of Ukraine. A government spokesman, only offered that "this citizen had been listed for a long time as actively avoiding mobilization".

Musayeva, the editor-in-chief, among other things wrote the following in her letter:

My personal opinion is that this is an absolutely disgraceful practice that must stop immediately and only further scares people and destroys trust and respect for the TCC and the state as a whole. Such cases do not help motivate people to join the defense of the state and only play into the hands of the enemy.

Dmitry Denkov is a famous editor, journalist and media personality, so this story of his received enormous publicity. But most people who find themselves in such situations are left alone with a similar attitude towards themselves and their loved ones.

Source: pravda.com.ua/columns/2024/05/28/7457931/

How about that? A famous media personality that pro-actively took steps to stay in compliance with the law, is regardless stuffed into a van, has his electronic devices confiscated, and is kept incommunicado for 24 hrs before being railroaded into the army?

Sound like the democratic and freedom loving place you all have come to love and trust? Can you imagine what happens daily to hundreds of other average Joes that don't have a newspaper to step in for their defense?

Seriously Bobko? Pravda???

If I go with my GDR-experience, I would say people would know what to think of articles in the "Neues Deutschland" and would look for some more believable news in the west-german media. It was the german counterpart to the Pravda.

The Pravda has always been a communist/Moscow-mouthpiece, I'm surprised it is still being published in Ukraine! There should be some war-laws to end the enemy's propaganda possibilities...

Zelensky is begging biden to show up at the Peace Summit next month..
Putin is not invited.
Z said that if biden doesn't show up that Putin will cheer with joy.
biden said that he can't make it because he has more important commitments.
(Ie; campaign in California that week)
Does that paint a picture of how much the U.S. cares about Ukraine in an election year ?
And if Trump gets elected the support is only to get much worse for Ukraine.
It's looking like it is time for Europe to step up and take charge.

A follow up to the Ukrainska Pravda op-ed...

This time from NBC News - the headline: "Ukraine urgently needs soldiers, but some men are desperate not to fight"

Source: nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-needs-soldiers-fight-russia-men-dodging-draft-zelenskyy-rcna152121

Notice, I'm not feeding you TASS or RT or Moskovskiy Komsomolets, but NBC News :)

An excerpt from a conversation with a 25 year old lawyer being interviewed for the article:

"When you see people in uniform, you panic. You start thinking someone will mobilize you now against your will..."

This is the reality. It's not getting any better with the passage of time, but only worse and worse. Yet, here on the pages of PF, Tacitus can still tell us tall tales about mass partisan movements, while Neuf goes on and on about the day when Ukraine will be dismembering Russia into 30 new republics.

Open your eyes idiots.


lol BB! This is a totally different Pravda. It's "Ukrainska Pravda" - which was founded in the year 2000 by famous journalist Gongadze - who was killed by the Kuchma regime. It's Ukraine's leading newspaper, and is daily cited in Western newspapers. It has no relation to the Soviet Pravda, except having the same word in its name. Pravda means "truth" in Ukrainian and Russian.

Here, read about it yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainska_Pravda?wprov=sfti1

What about russian recruitment problems?

Are the russians lining up in queues to get signed on?


I very much doubt that, Bobko!

The name "Pravda" has been burned in the whole eastern bloc for decades....no new media would give itself the name of the sovietrussian mouthpiece without need... it's a message, it's a program!

PS: The "Neues Deutschland" still exists too, it has still a handful of readers...

Russia and the US should get together in 2021 and divide Europe into two zones - theirs and ours - and tell the rest to STFU and do as told to stop the insanity such as Poles bullshitting about their own nukes.

France and the UK should be given a week to turn theirs over or they wouldn't be able to import or export anything. As an incentive, the combined US-Russia forces would delice both of Muslims and migrants.

I love my plan already...


Pravda editors register higher on the integrity scale than their counterparts at BBC and CNN.

The Pravda guys lied because they had to. BBC and CNN lie because they want to.

Look man - this is really the wrong hill to die on. You are completely mistaken in this case.

It is a completely separate newspaper, that has a very liberal and very Western-oriented bias. It's editor in chief studied at Harvard, and worked for various US NGOs.

Pravda is an ancient word, and in Eastern Slavic countries it has always been associated with the written word. I don't know if it's the same with Polish "prawda", but for us it is certainly the case. In the 12th century, the first legal codex produced in Kievan Rus was called Russkaya Pravda.

The Bolsheviks monopolized the term as far as the printing business is concerned starting in 1905 or so, when they were still hiding in emigration in Switzerland, but this doesn't mean that such a basic word is now rendered unusable. Its like saying that the combination of words like "the Times" or "the Weekly" has been hopelessly tarnished. If you spoke Russian or Ukrainian, you would understand that this is a little bit of a silly thing to say.

In any case - did you not open the Wikipedia entry? Ukrainska Pravda is quite literally the newspaper of record in Ukraine - that is, Ukraine's number 1 trusted paper.

It's like saying that the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung or the Süddeutsche Zeitung are Russian agents.

If you read the article the editor actually wrote, she says that more than ten of their journalists are on the front right now, and fighting Russians in uniform. So... this paper has approximately zero to do with Russia. Also, it's owned by a Czech multimillionaire.

With a Time Machine?


Hundreds of thousands have fled. Turkey, Georgia and a few other countries are infested with them.

And I don't see Bobko signing up in the orc army to be burnt to death in a rusty tank...

You are free to read about this in your Western newspapers.

Western newspapers write that Russia recruits approximately 30,000 soldiers every month. That's one thousand people every day.

The main drivers, as journalists report, are the substantial monetary incentives as well as overall benefits package.

Recruiting this amount of people has allowed us to fully reconstitute the units that have been decimated through the first two years of the war, AND create entirely new reserves.

Ukraine, meanwhile, is recruiting something like 1,000 people EVERY WEEK - in their own words. Even I find that hard to believe, and think they must be exaggerating how bad their situation is, because that only adds up to 50,000 people a year. If that's true, they are truly f*cked.

Yes, I just rewinded the tape...and I am watching the video...My time machine...


You can easily find out how that rusty Russian junk works ..Just send a shiny British rocket you bought from the US to explode at Red Square and wait 15 minutes...then quickly invoke A5.

Yet r*SSia has made no real 'progress' in over two years...

Why that burned name ffs?

I can only believe in the worst of motivations behind that...sorry!

It's like some politician naming his book "Mein Kampf"....some names are just burned, or used with purpose!

PS: "Neues" and "Deutschland" on their own are also totally innocent and old words...still no new newspaper would give itself that totally burned name without clear intent!

Hey, stupid, can you count? 600,000 are dead. One million are disabled. 20% of Ukraine is now Russia. Forever.

For reference, what progress did the Brits make in Iraq? What did you, British US bit*hes, gain from this? Duh!

Behave, troll.

r*SSia partially occupy 18% of Ukrainian territory, not much more than they partially occupied 10 years ago. And Ukraine shows no sign of changing their approach.

To a Western ear, I guess it seems strange... but it's really not the same in Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian countries - at least. I can't speak for Western Slavs.

There's probably one thousand Pravdas in Russia alone. I'm making these names up, but there's probably a Smolensk Pravda, Yekaterinburg Pravda, Fisherman's Pravda, Plumber's Pravda, Veterinarian's Pravda, and some Bobruysk Village Pravda. It's just a word, and that's all lol.

Pravda really cuts the Western ear, it seems. I noticed that the Institute for the Study of War, when it cites the Ukrainska Pravda, also feels it necessary to insert a disclaimer that explains there is no relation to the official state newspaper of the Soviet Union. To me it seems like a strange thing to explain, but here you are lol. Proof that it is actually necessary.

The original Pravda still exists, and it's still the official newspaper of the Communist Part of the Russian Federation. Ironically, Putin is likely not a big fan of that newspaper. Just as the Communist Party of Russia is not a big fan of Putin.

True...totally strange dat! *scratches head*

Have to get used to it, huh.....

Behave, moron. Learn to spell.

@Bratwurst Boy

So... at the end of the day - no reaction to one of Ukraine's leading business journalists unceremoniously being stuffed into a wagon and then sent to the front?

I thought this might be a clear cut example for you lot that the Ukrainian military men being ground up daily by Russia - are not there out some misplaced sense of patriotism - but because these poor sons of b*tches are literally being kidnapped off the streets.

This is why I brought up Tacitus and his idiotic claims of a mass partisan war that will erupt after the beginning of an occupation.

If anything, these people will be relieved when their rotten government collapses. Only then, will it be truly safe to go outside, or to return to Ukraine from exile as a refugee.

Sending the Kiev regime weapons and money, makes you complicit in these poor bastards kidnappings. Their inevitable death at the front is also on your hands.

...with 90% of U's resources...

Na ja....if I'm honest I have a hard time to feel sympathy for that guy.
Is he of the right age...is he healthy....then he shouldn't be forced to do his duty!
His Heimat is being attacked and destroyed, about to be occupied, so.....

Compare the situation with Barbarossa...would you feel sympathy for russian runners then?


Stalin's regime was so much worse for the Russians....how many got killed, millions! Still he found enough who took up the Kalaschnikow against the german invaders!

It's the HEIMAT, all inner conflicts should stay on the backburner as long as a foreign enemy threatens their homes....

So chronology of events:

1) Earlier this spring, Ukraine finally passed a mobilization law. It was set to go into effect about a week ago.

2) In the intervening months, Ukraine developed an app called "Reserve+". If people avoided creating an account and registering for enlistment, they could face suspension of their driving license, fines, and suspension of consular services abroad.

3) The app has been working for about ten days now. This guy registered on the first day it went online.

4) He planned to give himself a month, before voluntarily enlisting, like a lot of his other colleagues at Ukrainska Pravda. The reason - he wanted to cover Ukraine's annual economic summit, seeing as he is the paper's economy editor in chief.

5) He planned to visit his parents in Odessa to say goodbye.

6) On his way there he gets "disappeared" by recruiters, and then resurfaces a day later already in uniform and without the ability to communicate with colleagues or family.

Does this seem normal to you?

Bobko, do you know what percentage of Ukraine is under Russia's control today?

And their own.

No wonder so many hundreds of thousands have fled r*SSia.


The same. My brother-in-law has just been called up. He's happy to do his duty even though it means sacrifices. His family are worried of course however war is war and Ukrainians are determined that their country remains free.

Many of them definitely are. My friend's husband's brother, a relatively young guy (late 20s), came to Poland for treatment last year, and when he got better, he got back to the front himself. Guys from his unit are regularly given leave to go for holidays abroad (e.g. Italy) and they come back to fight too (even though, I suppose, it wouldn't be very difficult to defect in such circumstances). Let's not fall for the propaganda on either side. There are shirkers and there are brave patriots on both sides of the front.

Maybe there wouldn't be a mass partisan movement in case of Ukraine's collapse, but some sort of resistance would definitely be created, especially in the western Ukraine.

....I still dunno....we only get his side....and of course he presents himself in the best patriotic, volunteering light.....could we have a statement from the recruiter, please?

Stalin is a different story.

Stalin gets mentioned a lot in Ukraine these days, by people unhappy with the mobilization.

The main complaint of normal people against the mobilization, is easy to understand. Why are none of the children of members of parliament serving in the military? Why are the sons of judges and prosecutors not at the frontlines? Why are the sons of the rich not serving in the military? Why are there tens of thousands of muscular men in uniform walking around the streets of Kiev and Odessa, scaring people, when there is supposedly an existential war in the East?

How does Stalin come into this?

First, unlike Zelensky he was not a 4 time draft dodger.

The second reason, is that when his son was captured by the Germans, and they reached out in an attempt to trade him for a German field marshal - Stalin hung up the phone with the words "The Soviet Union does not trade a private for a field marshal."

When Stalin's son heard that his father refused to help him, he ran at an electrified fence and was shot dead by concentration camp guards.

Stalin is supposed to have said then, something along the lines of "kid turned out to have guts".

People did not question whether to fight in 1941-1945, because even the General Secretary's son could not escape the inferno. Things were magnificently "fair". Not like in Ukraine now.

Is that supposed to be positive?

The guy was a genocidal psychopath.

You're in your 20s. Have you considered returning to fight?