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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11



Korvinus
17 May 2024  #151

And there is an opportunity to enter a military school with privileges, to become an officer, a respected occupation

I know, I have a very radical opinion that the population having freedom, prosperity and quality of life matters more than the megalomaniac project of a KGB dictator.

Your Ukrainian friends are being stretched like a cowhide drying on a rack.

Russian casualties had a huge spike. In both, UA claimed and visually confirmed loses.
BTW, the number of visually confirmed loses and claimed loses is not THAT different, check: losses.ukrdailyupdate.com/
and compare to daily UA claimed loses.

Is existential war to Ukraine.
If Ukraine loses, they will cease to exist. If Russia loses, they will be forced to leave its neighbors alone.

PolAmKrakow
17 May 2024  #152

@Mr Grunwald
Are you not reading the news even from far left sources? Russia is gaining ground every day. Drones wont win a war, men will. Russia will keep throwing men at this until Ukraine cannot put any more bodies on the front line. This is the Russian way of war.

Mr Grunwald
17 May 2024  #153

@PolAmKrakow
Germans were also gaining ground everyday up until Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad...
Wake me up when they take Kiev and Lviv

In the gaming community "Throwing" is not a viable tactic at all. It only boosts the other side and wastes your own resources.

Just as in football, it is normal to wait with any offensive measures until second half due to other team being too tired. Then the team rushes and scores goals as much as possible after 45 minutes, not before

Paulina
17 May 2024  #154

Just would like to advise you not to project your national complexes and nightmares onto your neighbors.

But I am not projecting! :D I once watched a fragment of a political TV show of a RuSSian propagandist (I think it was Solovyov) and he said there that NATO "surrounding" RuSSia is "suffocating" for him (he even put his hands to his throat and made a suffocating gesture in order to visualise his feelings ;D) lol

And as far as I remember it was you who wrote that if Ukraine joined NATO the US could place nuclear weapons in Ukraine that could fly in a shorter period of time to Moscow :)

So, that's 100% RuSSian "national complexes and nightmares".

And even if there are no other options than to make small changes in the political map of Europe, this will be acceptable to us.

Of course there are always other options than invading other countries and killing people, but you either decided not to choose them or you're mentally incapable of chosing such options.

Some of the papers I read were as recent as 2015.

Could you link to them?

a large majority of russians have values that are antithetical to the values of most Poles.

I don't know about "large" majority, but judging by what's going on in RuSSia it defenitely looks like a majority. And I agree with that "antithetical to the values of most Poles". Discussing with RuSSians (as opposed to Russians) was like talking to people from a different planet (not only politically and historically, but also in terms of morals/ethics, mentality, etc.). My Russophilia didn't die away completely at that time only because I thought that the people I was discussing with must be on the fringe of the RuSSian society. Only the annexation of Crimea and Putin's speech afterwards made me realise that they are the majority.

PolAmKrakow
17 May 2024  #155

@Mr Grunwald
LMFAO This is a war of strategy, your football comparison is so far off base it cant even be taken seriously.

AntV
17 May 2024  #156

While you guys keep flinging sh*it at each other, Russian northern offensive against Kharkiv kind of fizzled out.

The question to ask is did that offensive near Karkiv draw more Uke's into the area, thereby weakening Uke lines in other places that Russian troops can exploit?

To say it fizzled out is a bit premature. That Russian offensive may have just been a strategic maneuver to weaken other Uke areas. We'll see.

jon357
17 May 2024  #157

This is a war of strategy

And the finest strategists from NATO countries who are advising Ukraine are somewhat more skilled at what they do than you.

Solovyov

A barking dog.

Wake me up when they take Kyiv and Lviv

They did after all try and fail.

Novichok
17 May 2024  #158

freedom, prosperity and quality of life

Are you running for some office and practicing here on us?

Freedom - name one freedom a guy in Kentucky making minimum wage gives a fvck about. Then do the same for a Russian at any location and tell me how they compare.

Prosperity - real or the imaginary kind based on borrowed money nobody has a damn clue how to repay?

Quality of life - not stepping over homeless addicts and their excrement. Have you seen the Moscow metro and the NY subway lately? How about Downtown LA?

cms neuf
17 May 2024  #159

The offensive has fizzled out and died - another colossal waste of North Nigerian lives and equipment. Another fascist failure

Novichok
17 May 2024  #160

North Nigerian

Why should Russians give a fvck about what Nigeria is doing...Duh!

Is every Polack a dumb ass?

invading other countries and killing people,

What's wrong with invading other countries and killing people?

The West has been doing it for centuries...

Mr Grunwald
17 May 2024  #161

@PolAmKrakow
Now I assume I am talking to a civvy that could understand something closer to sport then advanced and complex military terms. You come off more as a military enthusiast then a commander in chief or a general. And "LMFAO" also indicates you rather belong to a football club rather then military staff. Although I must consider you rather being a member of a American football club rather then a proper football club since you indeed are an American

@jon357
Spot on

Novichok
17 May 2024  #162

If Ukraine loses, they will cease to exist.

Let this be a lesson to those who like NATO at Russia's doorstep.

Cuba would cease to exist and would become another Puerto Rico if those Soviet nukes didn't start going back home.

Paulina
17 May 2024  #163

@Novichok, there are no NATO nukes in Ukraine or in any NATO country "at Russia's doorstep".

cms neuf
17 May 2024  #164

Excellent article about North Nigeria's military failures here - it has deep roots in the failed state.

ecfr.eu/publication/brass-tacks-why-russias-military-fails-to-reform/

It's a long but revealing read. One interesting fact is that the best job to have is an inspector of military readiness - you can simply collect bribes from all the unit commanders who want to be left alone and have not spent any time or money maintaining their equipment.

It's just amazing to me that the public put up with that, even though they all have sons and brothers at the front.

Velund
17 May 2024  #165

NATO "surrounding" RuSSia is "suffocating" for him

This is this brazen Jew's personal nightmare. It should not be extended to the whole of Russia.

that could fly in a shorter period of time to Moscow

And this is a cold fact, compounded by the fact that as the possible position of the launchers gets closer and closer, more weapon systems can be engaged for a synchronized strike.

There will be no consideration of Polish and Ukrainian hysterics here, just as the anti-missile batteries in Romania, which only need a program update to launch Tomahawks, are already on the list of special threats, despite the Pentagon's vehement denials.

Novichok
17 May 2024  #166

there are no NATO nukes in Ukraine or in any NATO country "at Russia's doorstep".

Find another moron to debate at this level.
Where the fvck did I say there are nukes at Russia's doorstep?
If you want to make this claim, don't connect it with me as this implies that in my last post I said that there were nukes at Russia's doorstep.

Novichok
17 May 2024  #167

Excellent article about North Nigeria's military failures here - it has deep roots in the failed state.

Hey, Polish moron, what's the subject - Nigeria or Russia. Why don't you sober up, take a shyt, or whatever, and tell us which one...

Paulina
17 May 2024  #168

This is this brazen Jew's personal nightmare. It should not be extended to the whole of Russia.

But this paranoia clearly extends to the majority of RuSSia, including your brain :)))

And this is a cold fact

Another cold fact is that there are no NATO nukes in any NATO country "at RuSSia's doorstep". So why are you so convinced that they would be put in Ukraine?

There will be no consideration of Polish and Ukrainian hysterics here

What?

just as the anti-missile batteries in Romania, which only need a program update to launch Tomahawks

foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/12/putin-russia-us-missile-defense-nato-ukraine/

"Do the Russians have a point? Technically, yes, but it's complicated. Few missile defense experts buy Moscow's argument that the Aegis Ashore system is a covert cover-up for putting cruise missiles closer to Russia's borders. But the MK 41 launchers inside the missile defense batteries could be adapted to fire Tomahawks, experts said, if all the supporting hardware and software is also upgraded for that purpose. Those updates-or trucking in new weapons-would be difficult to do without tipping Russian intelligence agencies."

In the same way if RuSSia started turning Iskanders in Kaliningrad (which can reach Warsaw) into nuclear weapons it would be difficult to hide it from NATO too.

Korvinus
17 May 2024  #169

Let this be a lesson to those who like NATO at Russia's doorstep.

Cool story, bro. Had nothing to do with being attacked for 8 years and having Crimea stolen by an enemy so two-faced and cowardly that they didn't even admit it was them while they did it.

Paulina
17 May 2024  #170

Where the fvck did I say there are nukes at Russia's doorstep?

You were the one who made the moronic comparison with Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962.

Paulina
17 May 2024  #171

Hmm, I've just read about this on a Polish news site:

pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/05/17/7456272/

I doubt that Starlink was "jammed" by RuSSians, because May 10 was the day of that historic geomagnetic storm during which the aurora was visible all over Poland and in Ukraine too:

reuters.com/technology/space/starlink-experiencing-degraded-service-musk-says-satellites-under-pressure-2024-05-11

What do you think about this? 🤔

Velund
17 May 2024  #172

there are no NATO nukes in any NATO country "at RuSSia's doorstep"

Do you still think that nuke warheads will need a lot of horses to transport from, say, Rammstain to a Kharkov? ;)

It will take mere hours for final preparations.

What do you think about this? 🤔

I seen this... ;) By a empty amateur bands filled with various kind of noises during a usually busy hours. But those, who experiment with reflections from Aurora zones on VHF was happy! And I observed another phenomenon - post-Aurora Es propagation, and even make a handful of contacts with Germany and Scandinavia on 10m in the middle of the night (usually absolutely "dead" band in a night time).

Novichok
17 May 2024  #173

But this paranoia clearly extends to the majority of RuSSia,

NATO moving from the 1990 borders to Russia - paranoia.
Russia invading Poland, France, and rest of the universe - rational thinking.

Crimea stolen by an enemy

You can have it back when a poll or a referendum shows that this is what Crimeans want.

This question is easy to answer even for a Polak...

Do you have any evidence that a referendum in Crimea conducted to Western specification would yield the opposite result?

Don't bullshit me with essays before I see YES or NO.

cms neuf
17 May 2024  #174

Yes they would of course

Novichok
17 May 2024  #175

How many times do I have to tell you to play outside until we are done talking?

cms neuf
17 May 2024  #176

Crimeans want to be part of Ukraine dude. Deal with it

Miloslaw
17 May 2024  #177

Crimeans want to be part of Ukraine dude.

Wrong, in 2008 a poll said that nearly 64% of Crimeans wanted to be Russian.

Novichok
17 May 2024  #178

Crimeans want to be part of Ukraine dude. Deal with it

Did sand get into your peepee, sweetie?

Hey, little boy, Grandpa asked about THE referendum in 2014. Any evidence that the Russians were naughty?

cms neuf
17 May 2024  #179

Yes lots of evidence - all on the internet

2008 is 16 years ago. Of course they have changed their mind

Novichok
17 May 2024  #180

Yes lots of evidence - all on the internet

Evidence is not what two Russia-hating stupid Polaks post.
It's what was presented to the ICC, the UN, Amnesty International, and a dozen of such places you would rattle off instantly if you could.

So, where is the evidence about the 2014 referendum being invalid or STFU.

Quoting:

The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation, with an 83 percent voter turnout, and from Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for integration with Russia, with an 89 percent voter turnout.

Why do I hate stupid Polaks so much...


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