Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11

Because you are one of them..... LOL!!!!!!

No. I am as American as they come or more so because I am an American by choice. There is nothing in my life now that is Polish. Nothing. Zero. Including my posts here.

Polish is like having my teeth drilled without novocaine so please don't go there again. The rest of the family here, including my wife and her sister - both born in Poland - is 100% Polish language-free.

Post one piece of evidence that ir was a fair election, performed and monitored to international standards

Did you hold a candle in the process and personally witness the change?

Nope. I didn't witness Katyn or Salisbury or the murder of Imre Nagy either. But they all happened

forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/?sh=28ddf884510d

Not evidence that it was a legal referendum. Just some bullshit article

Secession of Kosovo also was completely illegal from Serbian point of view. And there was no legitimate referendum. But some level of recognition was reached immediately. ;)

Decide for yourself what is prevail - right of self-determination or borders stability?

And yes, there is a lot of witnesses of Flying Spaghetti Monster....

This is a thread about Kosovo ?

Anyway it was their parliament that declared independence for Kosovo, not a referendum

You had a fcuked up your history class. It all started when Tito let some Albanian migrants into Kosovo to live. Gradually (purely for a better life and in an attempt to escape Albanian poverty) more and more of them trickled in. Then these migrants and their descendants started to pull the blanket over themselves - and Serbs started to get fed up with it. But a critical mass had already accumulated and process was began....

On September 22, 1991, the migrant Albanian community declared the creation of an independent Republic of Kosovo, and then an unsanctioned (only among the Albanian community, the historical owners of the land were fcuked) referendum on independence was held (99% of those who voted with a turnout of 87% voted for independence) and presidential elections, during which Ibrahim Rugova was elected president.

Serbs tried to object, but NATO came to the rescue, a cozy little backwater where drugs are sold and people and stolen cars are dismantled for organs was useful to them. You can launder almost any amount of money.

As a result, Serbs were kicked by the crowd, and Kosovo became a precedent, and now Westerners will be periodically fcuked up for this precedent, like now with Ukraine.

Hey, legally-confused Polish idiot, it's not how it works among people with an IQ higher than 70.

So pay attention...Russia doesn't have to prove anything. It's Russia-hating morons that have the burden of proof that Russia did something wrong. Duh!

Did you rape a little girl last week? No? Prove it. Is every Polak an idiot?


Thank you, Velund.

BTW, that Iraq thing is another lovely gift to Russia - straight from Washington, DC - how to install a friendly government anywhere based on a rumor.

Well, in 2021, Russia got an anonymous email that Ukraine would launch a nuclear attack on 20 Russian cities in 2023 so Russia had to invade Ukraine in self-defense...Simple.

The last refuge of a scoundrel - to appeal to some made up rules he himself would not abide by.

We've been there, and never going to fall for that again.

P.S. - Apologies for not responding to your earlier post, where you shared "the only piece of advice" I need, regarding winning debates. It was excellent advice, but for normal people and normal audiences. PF is clearly not made of mostly normal people, but instead there is a large structural component of emotionally unbalanced people. The message needs to be tailored such, that they cannot even propose their hysterics as a response.

I do it often, too. Plugging all the escape holes the scoundrels might try to escape through in advance to control the amount of feces they will try to throw back is one of my debating techniques.

BTW, some of my comments may appear extreme. When I say I am embarrassed that I have anything in common with PF Russia-hating Poles are both honest and deliberately mild to keep my blood pressure where it should be.

So give them hell and I will join you...

NATO chief allies with gays
The secretary general of the US-led bloc has made a statement to mark the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia

Hey, azholes, you should never admit that some people fear homos and other weirdos. Their numbers must be high to go through all that trouble of alerting NATO troops.

Are you planning an invasion of Phobia any day soon?

Also, how the hell are you going to fight Russia if your guys are scared of the multi-color weirdos?

New medal for him... ;)

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There have been Albanians in Kosovo far longer than any Serbs and Tito did not 'let' people live in their own country.

He did try (and fail) to incorporate Albania into Yugoslavia however understandably the Albanian people did not want this.

Of course you could provide evidence that it was a legal referendum

E.g presence of UN observers (easy to arrange since North Nigeria is a member of the secutity council)
E.g absence of soldiers from voting station
E.g a referendum question that offered staying with Ukraine as an option

This referendum was fake

Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons either :))))


Sorry, but I'm not into radio stuff and I have no idea what you're talking about :P


According to RuSSia it's "Russophobia" :))))))

Bulletin is attached. Count how many options available to choose. Count number of languages used. Ask Kanja to translate it to you.


Those who refused to come and withess should shut up their fcuking mouths and keep silence. There was 150+ observers from abroad, including people from european parliament.


There is a lot of videos from Crimea in a voting day. Soldiers seen only on crossroads. Polling stations was guarded by local militia.

So, you are awarded by medal pictured few posts above...

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Are you ready to prove this by documents?

Ukraine, Simferopol, March 16, 2014. European Parliament representatives Fabrizio Bertot, Valerio Chinetti and the head of the election commission Aslanshurza Shakhiev at a polling station in Crimea.

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Imagine a election where the side interested in results counts the votes.

Alas, annexations of Crimea and four oblasts partly occupied in 2022 are clear violations of treaties Russia signed - e.g. Russian-Ukrainian Treaty of 1997.

Stop defending what is not worthy of defending. You only make yourself look dumb by doing so. Since 2014 Russia is violating Ukraine's territorial integrity, hence breaking the 1997 treaty. Sure, a woman can withdraw consent from sex 40 years later and condemn the guy for rape, right? The guy who sold his house to me can get it back and cancel the contract any time, right?

The same applies to Mongol empire? Can Mongol Empire get Muscovite under his rule? And Poland? Poland some time ruled Moscow. Should Poland reconquer Moscow?

Well, that includes Novicock. The fact you don't see it or choose to ignore it doesn't make your point more compelling but less.


So what? One wrong doesn't make it right for you to do the same.
At least you admitted indirectly that you have as much right in Ukraine as the USA in Serbia and Kosovo.
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EP is a pure decoration and a waste of money. showing some EMP going somewhere has as much import as a clown having an international audience - it is a show without substance. It's funny you Muscvites are so paranoid and grasping at straws. Typical. Europio-phobia lol!

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@Korvinous what are you all about?
International treaties are worthless pieces of paper unless there are certain interests or forces to uphold them. Shouldn't you graduate from kindergarten political thought by now?

They are not representatives of the EU Parliament - they were not there on any approved mission

Bertot is a hard right MEP - the kind so frequently used by North Nigeria and Iran for subterfuge. He is current in trouble for using organized crime to threaten journalists

No idea who the other "Chinetti" guy is - the only hits for his name are in North Nigerian language links that I will not open.

The ballot paper you show doesn't have a question about remaining as part of Ukraine

The "militia" are simply North Nigerian soldiers though god knows how they managed to find anybody sober enough to stand up

Don't you think if your government put the same amount of money and effort into improving citizens lives as it does into propaganda then you might start to have a nicer country ?

And my point stands. Russia has proven to be a not reliable. No matter the justifications, that's the reason why its losing respect.
There's good explanation why to Russia treaties are essentially meaningless. In the Russian imperial mindset all power comes from the tsar. He's the sole source of power and legitimacy. He's not constrained by law - he rules by law and his words and deed are law by definition. The Russian attitude towards international treaties is just externalization of the general attitude to law. International treaties do not constrain the Russian government. They are merely tools of policy which are discarded at whim and according to opportunity.

Their attitude to treaties is no surprise as they gave never lived under the rule of law - just different forms of absolutism

I don't know what personal codes of honor exist in North Nigeria - probably there are some , but they have long been corrupted by communism and then fascism and the execution of intellectuals

Earlier I mentioned the 1958 murder of Imre Nagy and it is an excellent case in point. Given assurances from the very top of Soviet leader ship, he was released from prison straight onto a bus of waiting soldiers, who killed him and buried him in an unmarked grave

Even though it is two generations ago, it shows why none of the Ukrainian leadership can even set foot in North Nigeria for negotiations and even at a neutral venue they would have to be locked up in a safe hotel all the time.

You're so confidently bull$hiting around that under hypnosis one might even believe you.

In principle, I already know that you are mor0n, but mor0nity level demonstrated is behind the bottom.

Kanja, please translate to this a$$hole the second choice of ballot.

So was that 2014 "revolution".


Your diagnosis was perfect. Since I overused "moron", I am going with "imbecile" for those special occasions involving mindless Russia haters.

Posting the ballot was brilliant. It exposed how dishonest PF Russia haters are...This imbecile just throws noodles and hopes they will stick and nobody will respond.


Hey, Polish imbecile, this thread is about Russia, not Nigeria. Whatever you are on, take less of it.

Does option 2 say "remain part of Ukraine" ? No it does not and a 5 second google search shows that

The March 16 referendum's available choices did not include keeping the status quo of Crimea and Sevastopol as they were at the moment the referendum was held. The 1992 constitution accords greater powers to the State Council of Crimea, including full sovereign powers to establish relations with other states; therefore, many Western and Ukrainian commentators argued that both provided referendum choices would result in de facto separation from Ukraine.

There is no point discussing this fake ass referendum any more since for 10 years the whole world has known it was as bent as a 13 rubel banknote.

When are you going to tell us more about the Ukie wife of Fico's assassin BTW ?

I have a question...

What was the outcome of the referendum where the Ukrainian citizens were asked if to agree with Russia's demands or go to war?

If not a referendum, a poll will do.