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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11



cms neuf
18 May 2024  #211

They didnt go to war, the war came to them. In the middle of the night, two days after Putler assured Macron there would be no war.

Novichok
18 May 2024  #212

There is no point discussing this fake

In Nigeria or Ukraine?
Today, any Western reporter can go to Crimea and ask two dozen random guys if they would like to separate from Russia.

What do you think they would say, cms? Again, a reminder,...we are talking about Russia, not Nigeria. Nigeria is in Africa. FYI, Russia is the biggest country in the world and is located in Asia and Europe.

Bratwurst Boy
18 May 2024  #213

and ask two dozen random guys if they would like to separate from Russia.

Do you think they are honest? That they could be honest?

What would happen to a family if their faces show on some media supporting Ukraine???

Velund
18 May 2024  #214

The 1992 constitution accords greater powers to the State Council of Crimea

And it was abolished with a number of other Crimean laws, without a referendum and without asking Crimeans at all in 1995 by the Supreme Rada in Kiev, beyond their powers.

So the option to remain as part of Ukraine was offered. With the restoration of the illegally taken away rights of the Crimean autonomy.

There is no other referendums for you, as ukrainian nazis preferred to minimise democracy and use terror when possible. So, we will discuss this one.

Novichok
18 May 2024  #215

They didnt go to war,

I will not be discussing semantics with an imbecile whose greatest achievement here is replacing "Russia" with "Nigeria".
The big picture and undisputed fact in 2022 was that Russia would never tolerate Ukraine in NATO, no matter what was said and done before. Period. The End.

From that point on, the only question was how many dead Ukrainians would it take to drive this simple point into the heads of MICC, Z, his generals, and idealistic "freedom and democracy" imbeciles in Poland and elsewhere.

Again, as my friend Bobko has already given me credit for, I was the first one here to show the idiocy of fighting Russia when Russia feels threatened. Big mistake... I only hope that the warmongers in DC pay close attention to Putin's words and tone.

cms neuf
18 May 2024  #216

It is not semantics - the invaders won't even call their illegal actions a war. Still "special military operation" which is special mainly in terms of the volumes of alcohol consumed.

All the warmongers are in Moscow, superannuated drunks who could end this tomorrow if they wanted

Novichok
18 May 2024  #217

the invaders won't even call their illegal actions a war.

Get lost. Before you do look up "police action" and who invented the term.
What did Z and Ukraine get for ignoring Putin and Russia? Would you like the list?
What an idiot...

Korvinus
18 May 2024  #218

So was that 2014 "revolution".

No, it was not. It have been internal affair of independent country.

Novichok
18 May 2024  #219

In the fight for survival, there are few rules and in the last minute of your life there are none. This applies to every living creature as well as countries. See Israel. Tell them how ashamed they should be about killing civilians who want all Israelis dead - starting with defenseless women and kids.

NATO is Russia's Hamas. Just like the real one, NATO has crossed Putin's red line and 600,000 Ukrainians are dead now. Congratulations, azholes in DC and London...Good job...

Memo to Russia haters: You have my permission to print all your wisdom about treaties and international laws, roll it up, and shove it up your ass.

It have been internal affair of independent country.

What Iraq did or didn't do was an internal affair of independent country. Then another independent country said "Fvck, no way" and invaded independent Iraq.

Is every Polak a horse with blinders and the memory of a retard?

Korvinus
18 May 2024  #220

and 600,000 Ukrainians are dead now

Ukraine is fighting a war. Resisting aggression. Defending against an invasion. Holding the front. Standing up to a bully.

Look, I know that for you it is an alien concept, but try to keep up.

Novichok
18 May 2024  #221

Defending against an invasion. Holding the front. Standing up to a bully.

1. Ukraine is not a schoolyard. Real people really die.
2. All things have their limits. How many more Ukrainians should die before YOU would say enough?

This question calls for a number, not childish lectures about standing up. Once you give me that number (right now it stands at 600,000) you can bullshit all you want.

mafketis
18 May 2024  #222

Real people really die.

If you support russia, you support russia killing Ukrainians... go cry your crocodile tears somewhere else, you old fraud.

How many more Ukrainians should die before YOU would say enough?

If you support russia, you support russia killing Ukrainians... go cry your crocodile tears somewhere else, you old fraud.

What you or I or any poster here thinks is irrelevant.

What is relevent:

How strong is the desire of Ukrainians to not be russians and not governed by russian misrule?

How many russians does russia want to send to meaningless deaths in ditches in Ukraine.... (so far the number seems to be.... an infinite number).

If you support russia, you support russians getting killed for nothing (dying for nothing seems to be the pinnacle of russian values).

Novichok
18 May 2024  #223

The West has a history of obstinately not hearing Russian messages. That is how we ended up in this war in the first place. Russia had warned the West repeatedly since ... President Vladimir Putin's well-known speech at the Munich Security Conference in ... 2007.

The last major warning came in late 2021, when Russia ... offered the West the last chance to abandon ... NATO expansion and, instead, negotiate a new security framework.

The West brushed this offer off.


...and 600,000 Ukrainians paid for it with their lives. Since it was not another Hiroshima but a protracted grinder, there was time for the West to see the trend and stop the slaughter.

If you support Russia,

Don't "if" me. Go and if yourself and tell us the limit on dead Ukrainians you would not exceed IF you were Z.

mafketis
18 May 2024  #224

IF you were Z.

Don't "if" me.

Korvinus
18 May 2024  #225

1. Ukraine is not a schoolyard. Real people really die.

Yes, yes, "if you don't resist it will hurt less" aggressor retard apologist logic.

Bobko
18 May 2024  #226

Yes, yes, "if you don't resist it will hurt less"

Off the top of my f*cking head I will give you a list of countries that have surrendered to an aggressor in so called "existential" wars. It will be your job to tell me, if their decision was a good one, or if they should have continued to resist.

1) Tibet
2) The Confederate States of America
3) Finland
4) Hawaii
5) All the Navajos, Comanches, Apaches, Sioux, etc
5) Mexico

If they listened to you, there would be no Tibetans left. No Finns left. No American Southerners. No Hawaiians. No Native Americans. No Mexicans, etc.

Are all these people cowards and parasites not deserving of life?

Novichok
18 May 2024  #227

You should have talked to the Japs and Germans in 1945 before they signed unconditional surrender docs...those damn retarded cowards. Shame...

Also, French, and Norwegians in 1940. They all wanted to die for freedom and democracy...then they saw their friends' bloody guts on the sidewalk and smelled their decomposing bodies.

Here is how brains correlate with war casualties:

Norway - 10,000

France - 600,000

Poland - 5,600,000

So who is stupid here?

BTW, why are you wasting time here...They need heroes in Ukraine ... no matter how stupid...

mafketis
18 May 2024  #228

They need heroes in Ukraine ...

They need cannon fodder in russia..... and yet you're still here...

cms neuf
18 May 2024  #229

A huge proportion of the 5.6 million in Poland died after the surrender in 1939. The military gave up fighting after less than 2 months.

Killed in cold blood, reprisals, killed during theft and looting, ethnic cleansing, starvation and disease. Some were killed by the Nazi Germans and many others by their USSR allies.

And make no mistake, the North Nigerians will dish out the same treatment to captive Ukrainians.

Novichok
18 May 2024  #230

or if they should have continued to resist.

I, the surrender boy, didn't resist "evil commies". Instead, I got me a WUT diploma, a US green card, a US passport, a great wife and kids, two Lexus cars, guns, and no idea how to beat that Corvette out of my head...I am so ashamed...My death in the sixties would, of course, change the course of history...Maybe in my next life...

Novichok
18 May 2024  #231

Killed in cold blood, reprisals, killed during theft and looting,

You want to play that game? You will lose...

Deaths during the invasions:

137 Checks
66,000 Poles

So who was stupid?

Bratwurst Boy
18 May 2024  #232

So who was stupid?

Maybe not stupid, Novi....but surely quite emotionally cold! Don't you agree?

(....and yes, I know you are a man!:)

Crow
18 May 2024  #233

So we hare speak of Poland`s support to nazi regime in Ukraine.

But why official Poland isn`t capable to protect Lusatian Serbs and say something in favor of this ruined and deeply harmed Slavic group? Why official Poland isn`t capable to show any sign of support to Balkan Serbs?

Why not openly say - leveling of Dresden by allies in WW2 was a genocide on Lusatian Serbs in favor of germanization.
Why not openly say - crimes of croat nazi ustashe sponsored by Vatican were genocide on Balkan Serbs during WW2.

Why official Poland? Why official Poland shame Poles?

Mr Grunwald
18 May 2024  #234

Norwegians in 1940

Hey you schmuck

Please do show me the papers where the Norwegian king signed act of capitulation! Cause you will find:None

You are possibly thinking about Denmark

Only reason casuelties were low for Norway was because plenty of Germans had a positive view of Norway and knew how **** poor Norwegians were from before the war and that ANY damage to infrastructure, factories or whatnot would be devastating to the entire country. The Norwegian underground movement knowing this reduced it's opposition to passive resistance to avoid casualties to a minimum until late stage of the war performing sabotage and actively making 400.000 German soldiers stranded in Norway instead of fighting the western allies on the western front or Russians on eastern front. Do I have to point out what 400.

000 Wehrmacht soldiers armed to the teeth would had done?

Not to mention continued fight in exile and the size of the civilian merchant fleet and its role in transporting essential equipment to the eastern front.

Norway is one of the few countries that Soviet troops left vouluntary (under Stalin no less).

That's for a bloody reason too, so don't come here telling anyone here about Norway's war casualties cause they were artificially low due to luck and Germany's view of Norway alone.

Norway pulled far above its weight in contribution to the war despite being one of the more **** poorest countries in Europe. Not only in the war itself but, throughout bloody history.

I have gotten used to your despicability regarding z Poland but, this is just another low blow of ignorance from you!

Korvinus
18 May 2024  #235

I am so ashamed

And rightly so. Don't try to infect us with your defeatism though.
I know that for a you this may be a bit difficult to comprehend, but...

Sometimes surrender is not the best course of action!

Novichok
18 May 2024  #236

Sometimes surrender is not the best course of action!

Give me an example of you choosing death today.

Korvinus
18 May 2024  #237



Novichok
18 May 2024  #238

For example:

1. I would rather be dead than live in Russia. Yes or no?
2. I would rather be dead than live in China. Yes or no?
3. I would rather be dead than live in a country that restricts abortions. Yes or no?
4. I would rather be dead then live in a country that has the death penalty Yes or no?
5. I would die for freedom and democracy in any country. Yes or no?
6...

Or is your High Moral Ground advice only for others and not for you?

mafketis
18 May 2024  #239

I, the surrender boy, didn't resist "evil commies".

The mentally ill often have trouble distinguishing themselves from other people (and vice versa).

Hint: wasn't writing about you. not everything is about you

Novichok
18 May 2024  #240

but surely quite emotionally cold! Don't you agree?

That assassination of Heydrich was the single stupidest act during the entire WW2, Even the Warsaw Uprising was not that moronic.

Five minutes of heroism and 340 deaths, including 82 kids. So what was the upside? Nothing. Zilch. It took the USSR another three years to finally plant that beautiful Soviet flag on the Bundestag.

Memo to heroes: Go fvck yourself, imbeciles...


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