Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 11

At least I'm not shaking my pants about some idiotic scenario, that Putin's bled out army is going to attack Poland. If they do though, I am not waiting for conscription, I'd volunteer.

And if you won't, then what?

What "what"?

Quoting:

Virtually all of Poland in its prewar boundaries had been liberated by Soviet forces by the end of January 1945. After Germany's surrender, Soviet troops occupied most of eastern Europe, including Poland. As a consequence of decisions made by American President Franklin D.

I want to thank the Red Army again for staying in Poland and thus preventing Western idiots from liberating Poland just as they did in Korea and Vietnam.

Obviously I should negotiate with the aggressor, not punish the aggressor and agree to have my security disarmed, if the aggressor promises to not attack me, right? Isn`t what you are advocating for Ukraine to do?

What would happen if you didn't volunteer? Did you know that you are just a spit on the sidewalk and count for shyt?

But don't feel bad,,, Megalomania has a cure...stepping over your friend's dead and decomposing body.


Pay attention to what Putin said before the invasion. DO NOT IGNORE HIM!!!!!!
Also, give the US and the UK the middle finger. They will not be doing all the dying, morons. You will.

You mean Yalta, right?

Well, the most famous betrayal or rather not honoring the commitments was September'39. France (supported by Britain) was obligated by our alliance to begin offensive against Germany by 16th of September. That's one of the reasons Stalin waited with his own invasion of Poland until the 17th of September - he wanted to make sure our allies won't honor their commitments (which would most probably lead to swift defeat of Hitler's regime - most of Germany's armed forces were tied up on the Polish front, with only minimal garrisons defending the western borders). However, after performing the mobilization France felt the offensive was not the best idea and just waited on its ass for another year until Germans came and conquered Paris.

Another noteworthy betrayal happened in the 18th Century, after the 1st partition. Being in a tough spot Poland decided to ally with the Prussian Kingdom and try intnernal reforms that could save the state from total conquest by neighbours. Russian Empire intervened against the reformer camp and war began. We hoped Prussia (who already took a big portion of Poland) would support us against Russia to keep the balance of power in the region, but instead they decided that getting more Polish land is preferable and backstabbed us, which lead to 2nd Partition.

That is an extremely naive assessment.

russian values in action! (or... now you know why russian soldiers are being told to just kill themselves if they get wounded).

mk.ru/incident/2024/05/18/beznogomu-veteranu-svo-slomali-ruku-za-gromkiy-zvuk-proteza.html

russian shmuck returns from Ukraine minus a leg (and his wife left him so he's raising a daughter by himself). Was doing repairs in an apartment to make ends meet when downstairs residents decide his prosthesis makes to much noise.... result: now his arm is broken.... badly

should have stayed home in the first place

And now Poland is naively not backstabbing Ukraine.

I naively think that if Russia din`t invade any country in XXI century, NATO would be DEAD now. Furthermore, if Russia had treated its former soviet republics with measured diplomacy, competent economic relations and respect, it would have around it a solid sphere of influence that the US/EU could do nothing about. No color revolution could ever succeed, because no people would be disgruntled enough with Russia to go out in the streets in any massive amounts.

Instead, it keeps them in dirt-poor conditions, constantly insults and belittles their heritage, steals their lands, and then has the nerve to feign outrage when they start looking elsewhere for support.

russia being russia....

russians have never heard of the old expression "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar".... instead they're caught up in their zero-sum game of humiliation.

if russians aren't actively humiliating other countries then they themselves feel humiliated.

that explains about 95% of russian foreign policy

Now keep tracking further destiny of that "downstairs resident" and you'll know what is russian way to treat m0rons that overestimate their position in the universe.


Try to explain last 50 years of relations with Finland with this. And keep track further economics of Finland, as well.

Debating Polaks is like interacting with women. For 50 years, you could be a model husband and tell her daily how much you love her. Then if you say that she should lose some weight everything from the past doesn't count anymore and you are the meanest sob known to mankind.

The reason: Poles are women with dicks - emotional and not capable of fact-based rational thinking. That's why they lost 66,000 men during the 1939 invasion vs 137 in Czechoslovakia.

Later, 200,000 Poles died during and after the Warsaw Uprising - a stunt that slowed down the Red Army on the way to Berlin. Fvcking brilliant...

Poles will never see that by inviting Ukrainian women and kids they made the Russian invasion easier.

We gain moral high ground. Fighting the bully and losing still lets the bully know, there's no free lunch here. He'll have to fight for it. So he'll probably look elsewhere next time.

The bully won. German losses were 10k. Polish losses - 200k. If you divide 200 by 10 you will get 20. The kill ratio of 20 was a win for the Germans and the Soviets.

That High Moral Ground must be pretty vast to accommodate 200,000 graves.

In reality Poles fought in almost every theatre of WW2, on the Atlantic and North Sea, in Africa, Italy, France, Belgium and yes, also the Eastern Front, first as Kościuszko Division and later as 1st and 2nd Polish People's Army.


The war was ending, Soviet front was approaching Warsaw. Decision to organize the Uprising have been morally right and politically sound (Poles wanted to greet the Soviets in Warsaw as masters of the freed city). Soviets did even less than nothing. Western allies were willing to supply Poles fighting in Warsaw Uprising by airdrops. They only needed access to Soviet airfields to do it effectively. Stalin said 'no', so they had to fly from Italy, over Nazi occupied Europe, which resulted in high casualties and fewer supply runs.

German losses were 43,000 including over 16,000 killed. Polish losses are estimated at around 200,000 dead and wounded in battles with the Germans and Russians. Don't forget Russian losses estimated at 10,000 to 20,000

Don't deflect. 66,000 deaths during the German invasion was an avoidable disaster. It proved again that Poles are guided by emotions, not cold-blooded fact-based logic.

A quick look at the strength of the German army would tell any moron that Poland would lose. From this point on, the only question was how many Poles would die in the process.

For reference: 137 in Chechoslovakia. I guess Chechs are not as patriotic...


At least you are honest...It was not about minimizing Polish casualties. It was pure politics.

The AK should have known that the Soviets were better chess players and had a different plan for Poland. So they said: OK, wanna play this kind of game? Cool, go for it, idiots, while we will get some rest and wait for the river to freeze.

You have to admit it was brilliant...watching both Germans and hostile Poles killing each other...I wonder if the Red Arny was serving popcorn to kill the boredom...

The result...Quoting:

The Outcome of the Warsaw Uprising Altogether, Polish losses during the uprising included 150,000 civilian deaths and about 20,000 Home Army casualties. The German forces lost an estimated 10,000 troops.

I'd call it cowardice. It is your philosophy, I know, "if you don't resist it will hurt less"

No. If you don't resist you will live and Paris will be spared. Si vous ne résistez pas, vous vivrez et Paris sera épargné.

BTW, my research shows conclusively that once you die you are useless and in a couple of days the stench is awful ...

Dear children, wars like WW2 are not won by Rambos. They are won by million-men armies and billions in equipment. See: The USSR and the US.

In wars, some men are braver than most. We admire them and make movies about them. Contrary to popular opinion, there is no evidence that wars end sooner thanks to them.

What separates the brave from the fanatics is the desire to live. That is why we could deal with the Germans but not with the Japs. And that is why the US let these mother fvckers experience the two equal-opportunity nukes. I wish the US had more ...

I remember reading that the Yanks didn't want their long range planes to be used either.

There was help, however it was close to being a suicide mission, as the various monuments to British Airmen (like the one in Skaryszewski Park) and others in the countryside show.

Edit
It looks like the president of Iran is dead. That's one less r*SSian ally.

Was it the Mossad?

I'm sure a large majority of Iranians will celebrate if that's the case....


hmmmm if so.... high five mossad!

He executed 4,000 political prisoners and was hated by millions.


Different Iranian news sources say different things. One says that the pilot was Mossad, one says that he's still alive, one says that he's suspected to be dead, one says he may not be on board, and another says he was abducted by aliens...

The state TV website has a black flag on its main page which does suggest that they think he's dead. In a helicopter 'hard landing' there's little chance of survival.

I will never be shocked by the execution of political opponents. At least they had a choice to be opponents or allies.
The civilians who died in KVIA while the West was trying to convince them about the joys of Western "freedom and democracy" did not have any say in the matter.

Why would we need him?

I see you too would've surrendered France when the Germans got near Paris, to avoid damage to the city. Charles de Gaulle disagreed, and was ultimately vindicated. But even if he weren't vindicated within his lifetime, he would've still been right to keep up the fight.


The thing is, maybe Czechs stood no chance against Hitler, but Poland would have defended herself if not for the western betrayal and soviet backstabbing.

Now it's their chance!

And I agree....if this was the Mossad, congrats! :)

It could had been accident or Iranian elites disposing of this guy. Also it might had been Azeris.

Azeris are very friendly with Israel (one of the largest customers for Israeli weapons), despite Turkey's issues with the Israeli government.

They also, hate Iran, because 80% of Azeris still live in Iran.

However, I think they are not suicidal enough to attempt something like this.

Sooner or later someone will come and slap some sense into them, but this would have made a conflict nearly inevitable.

I think it's just a tragic accident.