Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 28

Russia became a Great Power under Peter the Great. That is very far off from being a World Power.

The Russians tended to achieve success while working in alliances. They defeated the Swedes while being allied to half of Europe. They conquered Berlin while being allied with France and Austria and fighting the smallest of the Five European Powers. They defeated the Ottomans after the Austrians had softened them up (with Polish help) in the long Ottoman-Habsburg wars. They were part of an alliance that beat Napoleon, with the UK being the most important contributor. A few decades later they were humiliatingly defeated by the French and British in their own country in Crimea. And that despite the limitations of naval logistics in the 19th century.

France and the UK were proper world powers (and the Spanish and Dutch for a time). They were wealthy, powerful and able exert their influence across the globe. They fought around the world with their fleets. We all know how the Russian fleet performed that one time it had to travel around the world to Korea for the Sino-Japanese war.

After Vienna, the UK was the only proper superpower left, until the ascendancy of the USA.

That is basic history.

@Tacitus Great post!

Russia is fvcked part 66.



Russophiles.You need to surrender, just like the Russians need to.You havpe to surrender!

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Even you stupid Russophiles must be beginning to realise that Russia is losing this war and needs to surrender!

Russia is fvcked part 68.

Are you serious? Polish assistance? Can you say "Sobieski" and "Vienna" without stumbling?

Poland helped Austria defeat the Ottomans. What is wrong with that sentence?

Idiot.

We broke Napoleon's back, and made him into a permanent invalid.

If we didn't humble him, you would be speaking French now.

Russia is by far the most important ally. We occupied Paris, and still have a bridge and other things named after us.

Without Russia's enormous organic power, you had no hope of ever resisting him.

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Russia's military power has underwritten European stability for nearly 200 years.

Come on, what are you saying? Isn't the Russian deepest belief that Russia is somehow on a holy mission? It is unclear what and why, but there is mysterious ambiguity about that.
Although you are not trying to preach it to others, that's true.
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We never abandoned you. You mistakenly assumed that we are almost the same; we are not. We are part of the West, like it or not. That's a fact.
As to being richer, the West wasn't alwasy richer; other civilizations and countries were much richer. At a certain time line, there was talk about eastern opulence.
West becomes gradually richer due to its cultural advantages.
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It doesn't make it as in a magic trick, but without Ukraine, Russia is unable to achieve it. It is a flaw within its culture, and the other is true: Ukraine offers certain geopolitical advantages, not to mention its rich ore deposits and fertile soil. So that helps.
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Russia had been a "Great Power"' since the moment of its birth.

At most points being either the largest territorially, or the most populous state in Europe.

Marrying into the most august dynastic lineages.

Having the wealthiest treasury for nearly the entire period, also.

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Peter's reign was the moment it went from "Great Power" to "Superpower".

Saying we leaned on allies to secure our victories is a total joke.

Russia's only real allies have always been its Army and its Navy.

After the Polish Empire's power waned, there was a fight for the now-empty place. Between Sweden and Russia, Russia won.

russia acting like russia..... setting the ground for an invasion of Estonia (a NATO country)

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Treat russia like a normal country and reap the whirlwind as they revert to rotten thieving type....

So then you betrayed us?

Poland's happiest times - were the same periods when it was in union with the Russian throne.

Only Poland did not exist then. 🤔

Warsaw developed into the third largest city in the Empire - bigger than Odessa and Kiev - and only behind Moscow and St Petersburg.

Polish art and literature flourished.

The population exploded.

Is it a nice feeling? To wallow in Russian delusions?
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You mean Russian happy times. Nit projection. Essential parts of Poland were missing, becoming abroad. If not for that, it could be an interesting development.

Russia before Peter the Great was a secondary power which none of the established powers took seriously. After him it was a considered amongst the Great European powers, though the weakest one. When Prussia became a Great Power, it moved up a spot. Russia was never a superpower before a period in the 20th century. And that was in large part due to the anomaly of China being in weak position (due to its conflict with the Global Superpower GB and its' after effects).

Russia was not Napoleon's main adversary. That was GB, who frustrated him at every turn. Who fought him in Spain and financed his enemies. Without British subsidies, (with GB being much wealthier than Russia) ´, the alliance to finally defeat Napoleon would have never formed. While Alexander I was Napoleon's most treasured ally for many years.


I don't know if history about Napoleon is only taught in Russia until 1812, but you do know that there was an entire campaign fought afterwards to defeat him right? The battle that broke him was at Leipzig, where an entire coalition fought him.

The Russians also didn't take Paris. The Austrians, Prussians and Russians did, with all contributing roughly 1/3 of the soldiers each.


I suppose worse things have been said about German nobility.

Building alliances is hardly something to joke about.

Peter knew that he couldn't defeat the Swedes alone. Alexander knew that he couldn't defeat Napoleon allies.

Russia has been succesful when it was led by men who knew the value of alliances.


But again, we are not living in the 19th century anymore. Ressources have value, but there are companies now that have a higher value than the GDP of middle sized countries. Russia has the ressources, but it lacks the innovation and internal development to compete with the two superpowers USA and China.


After Napoleon and before WWI, Russia was involved in one military conflict with mayor European powers. Which it lost. Badly. On its' own territory.

When the Japanese looked for a role model for their military reforms, they first looked to the French, and then after the Franco-Prussian War to the German Army. They did not use the Russians as an example. And rightly so, as the Russo-Japanese War demonstrated.

The Russians haven't underwritten anything, even during their brief stint as a superpower. They occupied Eastern Europe, but that wasn't stabilizing anything. Eastern Europe under their occupation was so stable that they had to supress uprisings in nearly every occupied country at least once. That is not stable.

The Americans however to their great credit did stabilize Europe. One has to only imagine what would have happened if the American sphere of influence had covered all of Europe after WWII. Would we have seen further war in Europe? Of course not, just as we experienced the happy results of 1989/90. Now if the Russians had occuppied Western Europe, we only would have seen more violence, uprisings and oppression.

Which is a backward compliment to Russia, after all most of these eastern countries joined the Nazi regime in Germany and invaded the Soviet Union. Instead of demanding reparations the Soviets fed and funded their invaders. The invasion of Poland in 1939 was no different from what the French or British did when reclaiming their colonies intact it was more humane.

The reason the us didn't get a say in Eastern Europe is because they delayed their landings. The reason they Magnanimously let the Soviets destroy the third reich was so their script writers could finish all the stories of how the US won the war.

You forgot to thank the Russians for their support of Germany in 1922, for their help in developing tanks and other weapons, for their helpful assistance in field exercises for German troops on Russian soil, and for selling enormous quantities of ores to Germany.
Not last, for their alliance with Hitler and Nazis, which high point came when the Soviet Union flags were displayed together with the Nazie Germany flags with Hakenkreuz in conquered Poland.
Their alliance lasted two years and led to the division of Eastern Europe between Russia and Germany. So many countries had no choice but to choose a side, and at the time, Germany looked like a better prospect than Russia.

The thing is, Russians do not know that due to a flaw in their culture. So, from their point of view, their aggression against Ukraine is rational.

Riddle: Who's russian, fed up with putin's mismanagement, wants him to face justice and won't be breating much longer?

Answer: This guy:

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Riddle: Who will approve of his death?

Answer: Any russian who doesn't want to be killed.

Yes, you conveniently forgot to mention that we lost the Crimean War to a coalition of the Ottoman Empire, France, UK and Sardinia-Piedmont.

So Russia lost a war that it had fought against 3 empires and a rump Italian state simultaneously - big whoop.

The fact that it required pooling the resources of nearly every other Great Power to simply fight Russia to a standstill around Sevastopol should be telling.


Within a few weeks/months of Napoleon's retreat from Moscow, the Imperial Army was clearing Lithuania and the Duchy of Warsaw. By Spring, Russian forces entered Prussia, and continued advancing westwards.

At this point in time, Prussia was effectively dead - and Austria completely demoralized and depressed.

Retaking Poland and clearing the French out of eastern and central Germany was the main factor behind the resurgence of the coalition. There would be no more coalition wars, if we simply kicked Napoleon out of Russia and called it a day.

The general mood in Europe was defeatist even after Borodino, and many of the allies were seeking to find some new accommodation with Napoleon.

Instead of just defending our own lands, Russia became the main advocate of driving the war to a total and conclusive end.

Russian manpower was central to later coalition armies (spread throughout the entire continent, not just present at a single battle like Leipzig). The Russian emperor became the central coordinating force of the entire coalition.

In brief - in everything that happened after 1812 - Russia was key.


Your hate for Russia is blinding.

1) Russia co-founded the modern global security architecture, along with the United States.

2) Through becoming the second state to develop nuclear weapons, and the state with the largest nuclear arsenal - Russia became the only country that could effectively retaliate against America. This "underwrote" the stability of the entire post war era, as it constrained the US ability to impose outcomes around the world through force. This guaranteed that 1914-1939 would not be repeated again, where massive states fought each other directly.

3) Through leading the internationalist and socialist pole of the world, Russia "underwrote" the decolonization of entire continents. Many countries owe their current existence, to the fact of Russian intervention.

4) After 1945, Russia acted as the main guarantor of the inviolability of borders in Eastern Europe. Yes, it came with occupation and coercion, but some Hungary did not dare to try cut off land from some Czechoslovakia, or some Romania did not dare do the reverse to Hungary.

5) Russian presence among the two superpowers, is what established the entire anti-fascist post WW2 moral order. The world - countries like China and India - would not pay 1/100th the respect to international law, if they thought the system was designed through an exclusive Anglo-American arrangement.

Do you even read what you write?

Meanwhile, russians who sign up for Max find they have a subscription to Solovyev that can't be deleted, sort of like soviet radios that couldn't be turned off....

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You are a cheap clown, whom I don't even want to pay.

Who cares what you think?

Neither an answer nor an argument... just anger.... bvtt hurt russian detected.

Accurate.

The essential message of my post amounts to "F*ck you Maf".

Rather, "Go f*ck yourself, and stop irritating me - pigmy".

Cope.... cope harder.


Approval for this soviet-style mess...

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HaHaHaHa! What a joke!

@Bobko

You are so full of Russian propaganda $h1t that you can't even think properly anymore.

This is the brutal truth mate and you Russians need to WAKE UP!

Russia is fvcked part 69...... how much more evidence do you morons need?????



Russia is fvcked part 70.



Russia is fvcked part 71......the Russians have had enough.... Putin will go soon....

russia becoming more soviet by the day.... now they have propaganda about how great it is that they've cut the internet....

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And on another front, a lot of russians apparently think that the government is not going to try to save the economy it will let it crash and burn because that's easier (and again, no russian government has ever cared about prosperity or the well-being of citizens, it's a pyramid scheme where money flows in one direction.... up.

x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/2034672190465998901

Imagine if America's best buddy, the only democracy in the world, cut the internet, banned journalists and conducted a genocide had protests about that...

It's pathetic!

Russia is fvcked part 72.



Russia is fvcked part 73......Russophile morons need to WAKE UP!!!

When are these going to end and has anyone including you watched any?

A bit of propaganda from the right side.