Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 29

The Russians have been the same since their revolution.... they just lie and lie and lie....even when they are obvious lies....

Russia and the rest of the world underestimates the ability of The Ukrainians.

Russia is fvcked part 190.



Russia is fvcked part 191.



Ukraine has just made it's biggest attack on Moscow.....Russia is fvcked part 192.....



If Ukraine can hit Moscow like this it tells me that they are winning this war......still no comments from the Russians and Russophiles on this forum.... because they know that they are losing this war.

Russia is fvcked part 193.

That's a genuine toughy...a proverbial hard nut.

I think Uke, Euro, and some Am leaders need to be a little more realistic in how Russia views this war. It is undoubtedly perceived as existential to them-and they have historical examples of the West attacking them.

This perception forges a certain iron will not to lose. A win, or at least not lose, at any cost mentality.

The West and Uke needs to realize Russia is not fvcked and it is able to continue this war for a very long time. Does Uke have the manpower to outlast the Ruskies?

If the answer is to unleash all hell on Russia, then how will Russia respond? Is the West willing to take that risk...for Uke-a country that has and remains a kleptocracy with deep systemic dysfunction; and was not good enough for the EU for these reasons.

It seems to me that the best solution is to come to an agreement where Uke gives up some eastern lands and future membership in NATO and Russia agrees to accept something like possible Uke membership in EU and to stat out of Uke affairs.

It's gonna probably need to be something like Korea.

By some of them and so they say.

For the country they are illegally invading it really is existential.


It's for Ukraine and only Ukraine to decide. They didn't give up at any point in the past few years and currently have the upper hand.


Ukraine is bombing refineries producing fuel for the illegal and unprovoked behaviour. They have been all along.


Why would Ukraine surrender when they aren't losing.

And you didn't mention reparations to cover all damage done, compensation for every Ukrainian killed or injured, compensation for lost business and of course war crimes trials for the r^SSian perps including their leader if he's still alive by the time this war ends.


Korea was back in early-period American hegemony. Now that hegemony is gone, there's no reason for partitioning a country like that or western voice to promote it.

That is not completely accurate. They are dependent on arms that they don't produce, so those arm producing countries also have a say.


Certajnly.


Because they aren't winning. And, they are facing major manpower shortages.

You must think the long game.


I'm not providing an exhaustive list. I'm making stream of consciousness suggestions. I'm not nitpicky maiden jon. I'm a robust American man. :)


American hegemony has nothing to do with it. Korea is an example of a possible, if not probable, setup to stop the war.


Just because it's indeed illegal, it doesn't change that it is happening. The bombing of refineries is not unleashing hell upon Russia...at least not yet.

Anyhow, we're not saying things that haven't been said before. Uke-Russia is a merry-go-round argument.

Hopefully, a solution is found that will stop the meat grinder without escalating this conflict to something that is worse than it already is. Just seems a lot of people have their heads up their a$$ea-maybe I'm one of those people...hold it, that's absurd...AntV's head up his own ass...preposterous.

Which means nothing. We've already seen how obstructive a couple of countries have been. Where one country quibbles, others are keen to sell to a country who is using weapons very well.

The countries that get the worldwide arms sales for decades afterwards are the countries whose products have been proven in this battlefield.


Certainly not probably and it's relevant as meddling by a country on a different continent that was to the advantage of that country and not Korea. It mirrors the partition of Germany and the spheres of influence in Europe that held things back for decades. That certainly won't be happening in Europe again.


There's an easy one; withdrawing and paying compensation. This is right now in Putler's hands, hiding in Kazan, however his/their options are increasingly fewer and the fact that Ukraine have gained the upper hand should be a sign to Vlad and his backers.

That rather laughable "don't poke the bear" stuff that rightwingers were spouting a year or two ago has been proven idiotically naive.

Well, therein lies the problem. Russia, a party in this war, doesn't think it's that easy.

We are on a merry-go-round.

Not only that but also their budget collapses without foreign donations. They are fighting bravely but pretending that they could do so without massive support from abroad is retarded.

Anyways, their recent tactics of bombing Russia, including Moscow, may backfire (quite literally) on them and give more voice to those hardliners around Putin who want less restraint in conducting a total war.

Only two...lazy a$$.

I know, and it's not a video game. This could have major ramifications for Europe. I keep thinkingoif that line in A Man for All Seasons: For Wales? Why Richard, it profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. . . but for Wales!
For those less fleet of foot: Europe is Richard, Ukraine is Wales.

Yea, they are fighting bravely and deserve our admiration. But they are dying also. This idea that they just need a bigger arms package and they're assured victory is absolute lunacy to me.

I don't know, Torqi, it just seems like we're all so effed in the head. Begging for something we all don't want.

Exactly.

All this started going in a very weird direction ever since the Brits - or, as one of my friends say, a certain "рыжая британская курва" - told Ukrainians to just keep fighting (to the last Ukrainian if needed). Perhaps it is indeed true that this war has been driven primarily by political calculations rather than military necessity, and that it is managed carefully by Russia to remain a regional war rather than escalate into a global or nuclear confrontation. Russia is likely to continue a slow, attritional strategy - wearing down Ukrainian forces and making gradual territorial gains rather than seeking a rapid breakthrough.

So, Russians - if I correctly understood the abovementioned friend - treat this war as a largely political struggle shaped by international elite interests and controlled escalation on Russia's side. Now, for some reason, Ukraine has decided that it's time to bring the escalation to a much higher level. Is this a wise decision? I would tend to say no. Yet at the same time, there are plenty of retards enthusiastically advocating the partition of Russia, the burning of Moscow, the creation of twelve "Russistans," and any number of similarly imaginative schemes.


Well said, Anti. All this is worrying. Very worrying indeed.

Yes! That's exactly what appears
to be happening.

This will cause an apoplectic meltdown for some, but from what I gather, Putin is actually behaving with moderation. That is not to excuse some of the rather barbaric actions taken.


My understanding is that Uke and Russia were on the brink of signing an agreement in Istanbul, until Boris Johnson-that weird man-child-said what your friend reports.

So, it begs the question of what is this really about? Ukraine is accepting being used, IMO. Zelensky is as rotten as Putin, IMO.

I still can't get over that John "War Gives Me A Hard On" McCain was at the Maidan protests. It just stinks like a rotten rat.

Yet many people seem unable to come to terms with this. Rather than acknowledge it, they will invent an endless number of explanations: Russians are simply a horde of incompetent, drunken rapists, Russia is perpetually on the verge of collapse or, as we were told yesterday by Maf, they have simply "kinda lost interest."

It is remarkable to observe the lengths to which the human mind will go to avoid confronting an inconvenient fact.


What? The fellow who thought it fitting to name a military unit after a band of genocidal sickf*cks is, in fact, rotten? Perish the thought!

Haha. So, true. And we dumbfoundedly ask, "how could {fillin the blank} happen?" Well duh, how could it not.


Meh! Just a slight benign misunderstanding.

I think it was not Ukraine decision. Abovementioned "elites" see that resources is almost exhausted, and entering serious global crisis without a war may finish their ability to keep what they stolen in the past and end their immunity against investigations by the people that is out by their control.

wtf - back to this ? It's not true and besides it's ancient history. Since that moment the NN drunken rapists tried in moderation to win the war on the ground. They lost maybe a million men just to move the bimber distillery a few hundred meters closer to Pokrovsk

It's now 8 months since they claimed victory there BTW My understanding is that Uke and Russia were on the brink of signing an agreement in Istanbul, until Boris Johnson-that weird man-child-said what your friend reports.

Zelensky offered last week to meet Putler face to face for talks. Putler refused

We will have to return to polonium and novichok falsified cases, Bucha hoax and a lot pof other things, that european pseudo-elites now prefer to forget.

Yeah sure - I know you only post intermittently now that the troll farm doesn't pay you on time

But you have found two willing dupes in Ant and Torq so might be worth replaying the greatest hits.

You forgot the hooligans in Nice in 2016 though I guess a lot of those are now food for worms in Pokrovsk

Perhaps you, as a handsome, charming , articulate and incredibly modest poster, could perhaps link us to some non-Russian sources then? Or do these not exist ( highly likely ).


So they should just stand back and let Russia bomb the fvck out of Kyiv?


So Russia comes out as victorious and rewarded for invading a peaceful neighbour and in X amount of years down the line we get Version 3.0? All of this will have been for nothing.


This is how I feel about it. They are still ploughing on and Russia is losing territory previously gained.

The whole point, Fen, is precisely that Russia is not "bombing the fvck out of Kyiv," as you poetically put it. At least not yet.

They might, however, if they are sufficiently provoked.

Because they are not able to. They can only hit soft targets like churches, schools and apartment blocks

Where they have been close enough to use ground artillery they have not hesitated to reduce towns to rubble - like Pokrovsk and Advika.

Fortunately that won't be happening again. The rapist scum are retreating, often throwing away their weapons and deserting

This mall Sadovo is beloved by North Nigerian YouTubers who want to show full shelves and normal life. Now it's a great place to watch panicky shoppers under the shadow of burning oil refineries LOL

The North Nigerians were warned but didn't listen

Repeating the orc playbook of lies?

Untrue as well.


War? An illegal and unprovoked invasion by the worst country that is geographically close to Europe.


It's the far right r*SSia supporters' party line And of course untrue.

They have a hard on for what they believe to be strength and jump through hoops like some in this thread to try to pretend it's justified.

Sad really, when r*SSia considers Poles to be untermensch.

Best to strangle both their eagles and the yank one too. None are any good for the world.

This video is blocked in Germany. 💻

"Untermenschen"? That's a Nazi term. And while we're at it - remind me, Jonno: is it Moscow that hosts marches honoring Waffen SS Galizien, or somewhere else?

Yes, and oner that reflects how r*SSia treats its client states.


Yes, plenty of fascist marches in r*SSia, a country which back in the day signed a secret pact with Germany to divide and enslave Poland. Plenty of fascist stuff in r*SSia; they're even committing cultural genocide in Ukraine.

Have you got a sort of 'pan-slavic' Stockholm Syndrome?

The Russians are doing precisely that, using everything they have in their arsenal short of nuclear weapons.

The damage to Kiev is minimzed thanks to its' distance from the front, multiple layers of air defence system and the Ukrainian air force that prevents the Russians from penetretating the Ukrainian air space.

And it is worth remembering who nowadays defends the Hitler-Stalin pact. Not the Ukrainians... .

fpri.org/article/2020/07/putin-rehab-nazi-soviet-pact/

Medvedev doesn't really share your pan Slav values

polsatnews.pl/wiadomosc/2026-05-07/miedwiediew-wprost-o-polsce-wskazal-na-dwie-drogi-wspolpracy/

Soomeboody's goot a crush on AntV. 😊

You can add lazy to my list of qualities.

Guys, guys... take it easy. I am merely arguing that, as wars go - even those waged by supposedly more civilized countries - the war in Ukraine has not been especially cruel to civilians. Just look at numbers and compare them to other conflicts of similar scale.


Making historically dubious claims and trying to justify political whoredom is one thing; honouring Waffen-SS units and genocidal banderite sickf*cks is an entirely different matter altogether. Imagine Adolf Hitler monuments, or a Dirlewanger Brigade stadium, or Adolf Eichmann street in today's Germany. That's what's going on in Ukraine with their SS-Galizien and UPA worship.

The Germany-r*SSia pact.


In Bucha and Mariupol, recollections may differ.


Yet in Poland, there are still people who 'glorify' Pilsudzki's legions and the behaviour of Poland in the parts of western Ukraine they colonised that led to the rage of Bandera's supporters.