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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 29



jon357
21 Jun 2026  #451

Poland and emasculation

Go away Ryszard. You've been banned.

the weapons? They should be consistent in their outrage

The 'outrage' comes from one source. A right wing politician, on his way out, and people whipped up by him.

Torq
21 Jun 2026  #452

Those Russians are incorrigible - look they are making videos saying that Przemyśl is a Russian city. In the comments section they also mention that Russian city of Chełm will one day come back to Russia and that even Podlasie is ancient Russian land that should get back to Russia...



... those horrible, horrible Russians. You were right yesterday, guys, Russians are our enemy - they want our land!

No... wait a minute...

cms neuf
21 Jun 2026  #453

Ukraine drones hit Tyumen refinery - 2000km inside North Nigeria

Putler will soon move on from his cave in Kazan and probably end up in Vladivostok - but one day drones will reach there too

mafketis
21 Jun 2026  #454

Jewish Nazi?

x.com/CanadianKobzar/status/2068486838164082959

Torq
21 Jun 2026  #455

x.com/CanadianKobzar/status/2068486838164082959

"Stop pretending that UPA only existed in 1943. UPA fought from 1942-1960."

Indeed. And in this period they murdered exponentially more women and children than they ever killed enemy soldiers.

Sorry, you won't make heroes out of genocide perpetrators. This sh*t won't fly.

mafketis
21 Jun 2026  #456

. This sh*t won't fly.

x.com/CanadianKobzar/status/2068542621585178838

"The successful joint UPA-AK attack against soviet forces in 1946"

Torq
21 Jun 2026  #457

successful joint UPA-AK attack

Ah, yes, quite. That evidently disposes of the little matter of the genocide. Silly me.

mafketis
21 Jun 2026  #458

Another day, another Polish honor returned....

If Nawrocki isn't on putin's payroll he's a slut giving it away for free.....

x.com/sumlenny/status/2068600719574204800

I guess rupturing relations doesn't compare with the delicious feeling of angry self-righteousness....

Would you prefer a border with Ukraine or 500 km longer border with russia?

jon357
21 Jun 2026  #459

Tyumen

That really is deepest r*SSia.

It could be a very cold winter for them this year.

Vladivostok - but one day drones will reach there too

Probably very easily. He can run, but he can't hide.

Everything has gone very quiet there however there have been reports that anyone who has the slightest contact with him, including his bodyguards, is forbidden to use a smartphone.

Slava Ukraini, heroyam slava!

Torq
21 Jun 2026  #460

Would you prefer a border with Ukraine or 500 km longer border with russia?

It is a complicated question, the one of borders. Did you see the video in #452? Have you read the comments? Yes, a rather intricate question indeed.

I fear - therefore - that, at the present juncture, it would be somewhat premature of me to venture a definitive answer to your question, Maf.

the delicious feeling of angry self-righteousness

As feelings go, it is indeed by no means the worst. :)

mafketis
21 Jun 2026  #461

In other news, russian occupied Crimea has suspended all fuel sales to the public, only government can get gas....

x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2068591645663088982

Lots of targets hit last night....

x.com/JayinKyiv/status/2068610771970293927

cms neuf
21 Jun 2026  #462

In other news, russian occupied Crimea has suspended all fuel sales to the public, only..

Does feel like an endgame coming up - the NNs forced back from the front, Crimea effectively under siege, North Lagos and North Kano defenceless, Ukraine threatening potato head to remove his comms equipment.

If there was a turning point in the war it was probably the day that Vance ambushed Zelensky at the Whitehouse - the Ukrainians knew they had to finish it without American support.

Very int

Kevlar Pole
21 Jun 2026  #463

@AntV
Kind of understandable a country would prep itself for an invasion.

Their "prep" was planning to produce as many U.S. deaths as possible, not preventing the invasion. And much more understandable that the U.S. would invade them given
1. the surprise war started by Japan on the U.S. (started at the same time Japan was "negotiating" a peace)
2. their brutal invasions of east and southeast asia
3. still had 2 million soldiers in China, and still committing war crimes on the population.

Do you acknowledge that nearly every American military commander, including Ike, MacArthur, and Curtis LeMay, deemed dropping the nukes as unnecessary?

They were still at war. And still diggin in. Their "negotation" would have involved keeping their overseas empire, which would have been horrendous. LeMay said it wasn't needed IF the U.S. continued bombing the hell out of Japan with conventional weapons.

mafketis
21 Jun 2026  #464

As feelings go, it is indeed by no means the worst. :)

Most addictive and most destructive....

And now a Polish fomer deputy of the Sejm is returning his Golden Cross...

x.com/nexta_polska/status/2068585888557199779

Nawrocki is now trying to explain himself.... (never a good sign for a politician)

complicated question, the one of borders.

IIRC Ironsides used to advocate for taking back Wilno and/or Lwów by force... (not sure if he's still down with that....)

You can always find some kooks with crazy ideas about changing borders... (which is why russia invaded Ukraine)

mafketis
21 Jun 2026  #465

I pretty much agree with this.... Nawrocki was motivated less by historical grievance and more by the chance to put Tusk into a tough situation at a conference on rebuilding Ukraine.

Zelenskyy returning the medal at once turned the focus back on Nawrocki in a way that doesn't help him internationally (although some local kooks may be happy about it).

x.com/bullet_time/status/2068348598320873679

jon357
21 Jun 2026  #466

russian occupied Crimea has suspended all fuel sales to the public

Lovely news. They can walk back home over that bridge.

Yorkshire Yokel
21 Jun 2026  #467

They can walk back home over that bridge.

Oh aye, course they will. Us daft murderous Brits'll hear that and be halfway to blowing t'bugger up afore kettle's boiled. Just like last time, eh? Tha's got it all worked out, tha has.

cms neuf
21 Jun 2026  #468

I used to work at a factory making auto parts. It wasn't glamorous, but it paid enough to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table. Then one day management told us production was moving to Mexico. Just like that, decades of experience didn't matter. The jobs were gone.

Ever since then, I've had a hard time listening to politicians and experts talk about how globalization is great for everybody. Maybe it is for people with stock portfolios and college degrees. For folks like me, it felt like we got sacrificed so somebody else's numbers could look better.

That's part of why I understand the appeal of Putin, even if I don't agree with everything he does. From where I sit, he talks about putting his country's interests first. He talks about protecting domestic industry, national pride, and not letting foreign powers push his country around. After years of hearing American leaders tell us that losing jobs overseas was just the price of progress, that kind of message can sound refreshing.

A lot of people like me feel that our own leaders cared more about international trade deals than about workers in towns like ours. So when they see someone projecting strength and talking about sovereignty, they compare it to politicians here who made promises and then watched factories close.

Maybe the experts see Putin as a threat, and maybe they're right. But when you've spent years feeling ignored by the people running your own country, it's not hard to see why some Americans start looking elsewhere for examples of leaders who, at least on the surface, seem determined to put their nation first.

That's not really about Russia. It's about frustration. It's about feeling left behind and wanting somebody-anybody-to prove that ordinary workers still matter.

Chat GPT can also use the voice of bitter low income Americans

jon357
21 Jun 2026  #469

Us

You're a Pole in Illinois. And currently banned.

Just like that, decades of experience didn't matter

Happens everywhere sadly. One reason for society having strict controls on business; otherwise they will always put their 'investors' above the people who actually do the work and above the communities who allow them to operate there.

he talks about putting his country's interests first. He talks about protecting domestic industry,

It's all lies though, isn't it. He is a totalitarian megalomaniac presiding over a kleptocratic economy where the oligarchs have jet planes and gold toilets and the poor freeze to death in their flats.

Yorkshire Yokel
21 Jun 2026  #470

He is a totalitarian megalomaniac presiding over a kleptocratic economy where the oligarchs have...

TWO-TIER KEIR FACES THE END - Ashen-faced minister admits Starmer is facing 'political reality' as PM is expected to quit tomorrow

dailymail.com/news/article-15917249/Cabinet-ally-fails-deny-Keir-Starmer-poised-quit-TOMORROW-reveals-PM-reflecting-political-realities-Andy-Burnhams-thumping-election-win.html

Aye, reyt. T'bugger's going tomorrow an' all, isn't he? Strange how tha spends all day moaning about politicians elsewhere clinging to power, then goes quiet as a church mouse when folk start asking awkward questions about thi own Labour darling. One's a scandal, t'other's just politics. Convenient, that.

jon357
21 Jun 2026  #471

r, then goes quiet as a church mouse

Really Ryszard?

And what part of your post is about r*SSia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine?

Yorkshire Yokel
21 Jun 2026  #472

what part?

Aye, reyt. And don't forget us lot, stood right in t'middle o' it from day one, waving our little flag an' pretending we just wandered in for a look. But aye, tell us again how it's all them other countries causing trouble, lad. Pull t'other one, it'll have bells on.

jon357
21 Jun 2026  #473

You're banned, Ryszard.

And you're trying to take a thread off topic which is one of the several things you were banned for.

And your ChatGPT gets the dialect wrong.

Yorkshire Yokel
21 Jun 2026  #474

@jon357

Aye, classic that. Can't answer t'point, so now we're talking about who's on topic and who's got t'dialect right. Tha's got a fine talent for avoiding the bit that matters.

Torq
21 Jun 2026  #475

your ChatGPT gets the dialect wrong

It got some things right. Like...

tha spends (...) Tha's got

That's how the kids in the Dales were talking to Gervase Phinn, or the farmers to James Herriot. Never ceases to amaze me, the amount of great literature that England has produced. Maybe you're not all that bad... maybe.

Didn't realise you were from Yorkshire, Jonno. God's own country and all that.

Yorkshire Yokel
21 Jun 2026  #476

Didn't realise you were from Yorkshire, Jonno.

Aye, he is. Jonno likes to reckon he's some high-falutin' global citizen, swanning about like he's above it all. But strip away all that poncy talk of his and he's still just one of us lot down in t'Dales, common as muck. Tha can't polish a sheep and call it a racehorse, lad!

Torq
21 Jun 2026  #477

just one of us lot down in t'Dales

This is not a bad thing, Ryszard. Everyone needs roots somewhere, and there's nothing wrong with taking pride in them.

Being a Plastic Pole who rejects his own language and culture is not a life choice that everyone finds especially admirable.

Btw, are you banned forever?

Yorkshire Yokel
21 Jun 2026  #478

Being a Plastic Pole who rejects his own language and culture is not a life..

Aye, well, Jonno's always been a bit o' a strange un. Born an' bred round here, but he's spent half his life trying to convince folk he's from anywhere else. Don't get me wrong, Poland's a grand place but a few visits don't make tha Polish. Tha can run from t'Dales, but t'Dales tend to follow thee.

Torq
21 Jun 2026  #479

Jonno

I meant you, Rysiek, not Jon. He's PF old guard and a far more agreeable fellow than you have ever managed to be.

And I'll tell you one thing more: if I were to be born again and, as penance for my past sins, were denied the privilege of being Polish, I should not at all object to being born in Yorkshire. There are certainly worse fates than coming from a land of sturdy common sense, a keen sense of humour, and great writers.

Now, f*ck off.

Yorkshire Yokel
21 Jun 2026  #480

Now, f*ck off.

Nowt personal, lad. If tha wants to be offended, crack on. I've got sheep that are easier to reason with. Anyway, all the best to thee - door's that way.


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