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Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #361

Yeah...as if Poland cares if German houses would be cold! ;)

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #362

Probably not. But we would be laughing in the background,

Funny Merkel said

"Merkel told press in German as she arrived at NATO that her country makes 'independent decisions,"

SHAME SHE WILL NOT ALLOW POLAND TO DO THE SAME. Rule of Law and Migrants

She has plenty of fat so it will be a long time before she is cold once the ruskies turn the gas off., one smart lefty cookie that Merkle

Tacitus
11 Jul 2018  #363

Merkel has got to be steamed big time at Trump

Interesting how perceptions can differ. It seemed to me that Merkel once again schooled Trump in pointing out that she actually knows how life under Russian dominion is and how utterly stupid his statement were. At timed like this I greatly appreciate what we have with Merkel. She is such a nice contrast to the Trump. She doesn't need to try ver hard, her very nature makes her look like a dignified diplomate, while Trump is a thuggish liar who gets owned again and again and can only hide his failure by releasing his rage his twitter.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #364

But we would be laughing in the background,

That's why Germany builds more pipelines...

SHAME SHE WILL NOT ALLOW POLAND TO DO THE SAME. Rule of Law and Migrants

Really! Tell me again how many refugees were forced onto you? How many did you take in since 2015? Compared to the support Billions from the EU?

Just for your memory, the Russians have never turned the gas off, not even once, not even during the heights of the cold war!

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #365

That's why Germany builds more pipelines...

Pipelines To Russia,

Locked in forever to sing putins tune.Just for your memory Russia has turned off the gas when it suited just ask the Ukraine, , as long as Germany tows the line it will be just fine.

Compared to the support Billions from the EU?

Thanks very much we have some nice roads etc. (Built by Germans)

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #366

Locked in forever to sing putins tune

West Germany was for over 40 years an enemy of Russia and definitely didn't tow it's line. The Gas was NEVER ONCE shut off!

Thanks very much we have some nice roads etc. (Built by Germans)

Only some "nice roads"? You would today resemble much more Ukraine without the EU Billions, heh:)

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #367

The Gas was NEVER ONCE shut off!

Russia needed the cash Germany was no threat during the cold war.

You would today resemble much more Ukraine without the EU Billions, heh

Correct, nice to have the EU money its great for Poland long may it continue.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #368

Russia needed the cash Germany was no threat during the cold war.

It always needs the cash. And if Germany was no threat during the cold war, why should it be now?

Correct, nice to have the EU money its great for Poland long may it continue.

Yeah, what mean opressors Merkel and Co are...forcing all their money onto poor Poland, heh:)

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #369

If it wasn't no threat during the cold war, why should it be now?

It will not be, don;t you get the point.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #370

YOU are trying to make a point of putting Germany always in some situation where Russia will cut off it's gas.

But that never happened and never will...in good times and in bad times, live with it!

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #371

Not a problem for me, but don't you get the point, do I need to use Americanisms like leverage , or does it not figure in your mind.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #372

What "leverage"? For what? How often attacked Russia Germany already?

Exactly!

And I somewhat doubt strongly that Putin will start now...

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #373

Again correct, but when there is invasion other than on German soil, Ukraine etc , Germany will have to hold her tongue, otherwise winter will be very cold..

As for the rest of Europe it will have to tow the German line.

Business as usual.

But don't be surprised that some of us have not taken note of what is going on.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #374

Germany will have to hold her tongue, otherwise winter will be very cold..

As if Germany would do anything else, we have no army to speak of anymore and the will to use what is left is something along nil. Russia knows that very well!

Nobody expects Germany to do anything else but hold it's tongue, heh:)
Russia had never less reason to fear Germany or to attack it...it's just no use...on the other hand we are a steady source for good, hard cash.

So again...what leverage do you mean?

TheWizard
11 Jul 2018  #375

The refugees from africa are not eu citizens and not part of any eu agreement for joining. Poland has taken enough refugees from the east. Germany or whoever can shove their quota up their rear.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #376

I have news for you, that quota idea is dead and buried by now.....

TheWizard
11 Jul 2018  #377

Excellent!

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #378

So again...what leverage do you mean?

You answered your own question.

"Nobody expects Germany to do anything else but hold it's tongue,"

Thats leverage.

we have no army to speak off anymore

Its a great shame, Germany has almost given up its identity, its leader throws the German flag to the floor

youtube.com/watch?v=Fi0dffrSmPI

Given my history and the war with Germany, I still hope that the German people will stand tall again and throw off the history of the past, and be proud to be German again, throw off the chains of the apologists like Merkel,

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #379

I still hope that the German people will stand tall again and throw off the history of the past

Not if that means war again! Been there, thanks but no thanks...Germany right now is very well off, also without the bruhaha you seem to like so much! :)

And I personally can't detect any loss of identity...if that consoles you!

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #380

Not if that means war again!

I can see no possibility of Germany starting any more wars in the future, army or not, many European countries have learned the lessons of the past, Germany more so than others.

And I personally can't detect any loss of identity...if that consoles you!

It does.

If you feel Germany and its current policies are in the right direction then I wish you well.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Jul 2018  #381

Nobody is perfect....Germany neither.

But frankly in all its history Germany NEVER had it so good! Peaceful, stable, unified, economically successful, rich...world wide accepted and respected (if not always liked).

It had been alot worse in our past, so if we do whine it is, as they say, on a very high standard. There is a reason all these people want to come and live here, the "land of milk and honey".

Sure there are alot of problems with so many people from far away places, failures and errors had been made, misconceptions and cluelessness...but these are rectified as we speak.

Good night

PS: The German(ic) has been already around (and kicking) for 2000 years, he will not lose his identity anytime soon! :)

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #382

We will get over that too without losing ourselves, I have full trust and so should you!

I hope you are right , good night.

johnny reb
11 Jul 2018  #383

It seemed to me that Merkel once again schooled Trump

You are joking correct.
Trump told her very pointedly that Germany is done having their cake, ice cream and eating it too.
Germany gets 70% of it's heating gas from Russia by paying Russia Billions.
Yet Germany wants NATO (the United States Military) protection at the United States taxpayers expense against Russia. lol
Trump just enlightened the old girl that those days are long over.
Time for the Germs to pony up 4% into NATO and quit your mooching off the U.S.
Did you know that Trumps popularity pole ratings for world leaders is higher in the E.U. then most of their own leaders.
Merkel is done and you know it.

dolnoslask
11 Jul 2018  #384

Oh one last point does anyone have any comment on Gerhard Schroeder who is now working for Gazprom

Tacitus
12 Jul 2018  #385

Trump told her very pointedly that Germany is done having their cake, ice cream and eating it too.

Trump has simply been caught lying again with his statements regarding Germany and Russia. His blustering is simply an attempt to hide the fact that he has no leverage here. It is not Germany who needs protection from Russia, it is Poland and the Baltic states, those countries would suffer if the USA leaves Nato. Which is an empty threat, given that the Senate declared its support of Nato before Trump arrived. He is impressing no one here, he is not even capable of making any coherent arguments. All of his blustering is meant for his domestic audience, there is nothing else behind it. Merkel found that out in her first meeting with him when she had to give him a crash course in diplomacy to Trump.

Germany gets 70% of it's heating gas from Russia by paying Russia Billions.

Which is just another lie by Trump. It is around 25%, the rest are from other sources.

Time for the Germs to pony up 4% into NATO and quit your mooching off the U.S.

If we are throwing around fantasy numbers, let us just make it 10% if we are at it. ;) And the Americans can talk about someone mooching off them once they fought in a Nato war on others' behalf.

Did you know that Trumps popularity pole ratings for world leaders is higher in the E.U. then most of their own leaders.

Is this another alternative fact? In which countries?

Oh one last point does anyone have any comment on Gerhard Schroeder who is now working for Gazprom

He was a decent chancellor who made two very important decisions for Germany (not participating in the illegal Iraq war and reforming its' labour market), but a constant embarassment once he retired. But since there is no law against what he does, and his conncections to strongmen like Putin and Erdogan are sometimes helpful (e.g. when negotiating about the release of German prisoners), he is tolerated.

johnny reb
12 Jul 2018  #386

when she had to give him a crash course in diplomacy to Trump.

Is that when he refused to shake her hand. lol

If we are throwing around fantasy numbers,

We are not, Germany only pays 1.2% into NATO.

In which countries?

Do your own homework and feel even more silly with yourself.

Which is just another lie by Trump. It is around 25%, the rest are from other sources.

Here is my source that says 70% from Russia and take note of the video's showing Trump reddening Merkel's face but good.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5942109/Donald-Trump-RIGHT-Germany-imports-70-cent-gas-Russia.html

Joker
12 Jul 2018  #387

He claims youre lying but cant back up his source (typical lib spin tactic) unlike what you have provided.

Did you hear Crooked Hillary is taking donations again for another possible Presidential run in 2020?

The Clintons have been spotted flying around on commercial airlines lately. This only happens when they try to pander to every day Americans.

It will be great if the DNC nominates her again! Cant wait! lol

Tacitus
12 Jul 2018  #388

Is that when he refused to shake her hand. lol

Indeed that is the one. When even his own advisors were embarassed over the depts of his ignorance.

Do your own homework and feel even more silly with yourself.

I am still waiting for examples. From what I have read, he is very unpopular in Germany, France and the UK.

Trump reddening Merkel's face but good.

Gas is only responsible for a fraction of Germanys energy consumption, so Germany is not reliable on Russia and as pointed out by BB, Russia has always been a reliable supplier.

bbc.com/news/amp/business-44794688

Merkel reacted as usual calm but her reply could not have been more effective. The idiocy that Trump trys to lecture someone who lived under Russian dominion is staggering.

To be honest, I never bought into the theory that Trump is in the pocket of Putin, but this looks more and more likely to be the best explanation. The fact that he keeps attacking the one politician who Putin desperately wants gone more than any other, who has coordinated the European response to Russian agression in Ukraine, that he tries to destroy the EU, which is the best political safeguard against Russian influence.

Bratwurst Boy
12 Jul 2018  #389

Oh one last point does anyone have any comment on Gerhard Schroeder who is now working for Gazprom

Germany speaking here....I think I can safely say he is despised for his bromance with Putin through all political divisions. But for Schröder loyalty seems to mean to stand by his bro Putin and to defend him against all his opponents no matter the costs. It's a personal thing, I believe, nothing political about it.

(Putin helped Schröder to adopt his children)

johnny reb
12 Jul 2018  #390

Germany gets 70% of it's heating gas from Russia by paying Russia Billions.

Which is just another lie by Trump. It is around 25%, the rest are from other sources.

Sorry Pal, the EU's statistics agency, Eurostat, says that Russia is responsible for up to 75% of Germany's total gas imports.
And experts say that figure could dramatically increase after a new pipeline between Russia and Germany opens in two years time.
Germany already imports 55 billion cubic meters of gas from Russia via the Nord Stream pipeline and will pump another 55 billion cubic meters through the new Nord Stream 2 network in 2020.

And remember that Merkel cut a deal with Putin so Germany is paying less for Germanys gas then the rest of the countries in the E.U. are. (United E.U. ?) lol

Germany imports its gas from Russia in a controversial deal that has enriched its former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.
Schroeder was called a 'political prostitute'.
In 2017, Russia appointed Schroeder to serve as an independent director of the board of its biggest oil producer Rosneft with a salary of $350,000 for the part time post.

Trump argued Germany is still "totally" controlled by Russia because of the gas.
In fact, Germany's bill for Russian gas last year was 17 billion euros ($21 billion) for some 87 billion cubic meters, according to Gazprom, the state run Russian gas company.

Yet Germany is only paying 1.2% into NATO (the United States Military) who's militarily is protecting Germany from Russian.
So Trumps beef was "why is the United States protecting Germany when Germany is beefing up Russia's economy 34 BILLION euros per year by 2020" !
Plus the United States is the leading gas exporter in the world, and soon the leading oil exporter of the world, and is a so called allie of Germany.

Starting to get the picture of why Trump has a beef with Merkel Tacitus ?
She wants her cake, ice cream and eat it too while she is screwing the NATO, screwing the E.U. and beefing up Russia's economy.

And you want to paint a picture of Trump being the bad guy. lol


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