Brexit 2019 and Poland

Please Miloslaw - better not to talk about something if you know nothing about it - which you clearly don't. You haven't bothered to read up about the situation because it doesn't affect you.

As Delph gently pointed out, Ireland can't have a hard border with continental Europe because it is part of the EU. What don't you understand about that? A customs union is the only way forward for the whole of the UK if the Tories want Brexit.

It's the only logical and sensible outcome. If May came out now and said that she'll accept the Customs Union if a viable deal on immigration could be achieved, I suspect the EU-27 would agree.

It's not that simple it's like asking the unionists if they want to reunite with Ireland, Jesus I don't want to see any more people hurt.

I didn't realise that you were so dumb.
If,as we all concede,there will never be a hard border between NI and Eire.
How will The EU protect it's borders without a hard border with Eire?

Thats exactly the thing Milo....it's hard outer border will be with Northern Ireland, not with Ireland.

Something the Brexiters surely never gave a *** about...

PS: A majority of Northern Irelander voted for Remain...maybe they had an inkling about what was coming...

It's the U.K. which voted to leave the EU because she wanted to regain control of her borders (which they never lost anyway). So if the Brits decide to keep the border between the ROI and Northern Ireland open, then they will not have the control they were demanding in the first place. Bullet meet foot...


The question is, how will the U.K. protect it's border with the E.U.?

This is what you Europeans don't seem to understand.
That can't and won't happen.
Who will implement it?
The hard border will have to be between Eire and Europe.

Only when Ireland leaves the EU...

At the moment, as I see it, Britain will have to control it's after-Brexit-Border in Northern Ireland itself. Nobody will be going to do the dirty work for them. They wanted the borders back (or the control of them as they call it), now they got them. With all what that entails...

Errrm Bombings and all that again, does anyone here want that?

You see,you just don't get it!!!
Britain won't,NI won't and Eire won't,because they all know the consequences if they do.....
So it won't happen!
Now do you understand?

The RoI will go back to what they did before 1993. That's not the problem - the problem is that any return of controls on the Northern Irish side could be a threat to the peace process. People categorically don't want controls to return there, and I can't imagine HMRC will have many willing volunteers to go and man a customs post in South Armagh.

Ireland has nothing to worry about, because their customs controls were never the target of attack between the foundation of the Free State and 1993. It was the UK customs stations that came under repeated and sustained attack throughout their existence.


They won't. They've already announced no controls at the major ports because they simply don't have the capability of carrying them out.

Ireland is preparing for no-deal and the return of customs controls. The UK hasn't announced anything in respects to the Irish border, because they simply have no plan. There's a high chance that "taking back control" will actually mean "a free for all on exports from the EU to the UK".

Did the english Leave voter eve care?

Nope, and Atch called it before. No-one really cared about what was going to happen in NI, the focus was all on idiots in places like Bradford that somehow believed that leaving the EU would mean "less brown people".

To be honest they probably like me never knew of this consequence regarding the irish border, whats tough is that it seems to be being used as a bargaining chip, but for me the risk of returning to the terror of the 1970's is unimaginable.

Everyone should work to find a acceptable solution, I don't want to see kids, mothers.horses being blown apart every week.

You are deliberately avoiding the question.
If,as you concede,there will never be a hard border between NI and EIre.
How will The EU stop,what they think may be,inferior goods crossing over that border from The UK to Eire and then on to Europe?

They have to impose a hard border with Eire.

Yes Milo but in that case any good or person can enter the UK from Ireland - no tarriffs and no passport controls. Once in NI they can pass to mainland Britain without checks

So if there is no hard border then Britain does not have any more control than it does today

True,but I don't see your point.

I try to imagine a wall coming up again between East- and West Germany because of some referendum...and what about my Berlin? It's quite impossible.

You don't speak for the British Miloslaw. By your own admission you are Polish born. And by the nature of the immigrant you seem determined to try to keep Johnny Foreigner out. But Britain needs them. I think you will find that the British now support Remain,as the polls show. A lot of the old fogies who voted for Brexit have now died. A Brexit extension will look more and more likely after May is humiliated YET AGAIN tomorrow, then May will try for a general election - where she will not be PM, and all bets are off.

Oh Doug.....you are so wrong on all counts.....I am British born.....
The British vote has swung massively to leave,and you celebrate the death of older Brexit voters?Disgusting.
You are right on one thing,May will be utterly humiliated tomorrow,and that will play even more into The Brexiteers hands.
As for an election or even a second referendum,don't hold your breath.
It ain't gonna happen.....

The point is that one of May's red lines is control over borders - and she will not have this. anyone can avoid tariffs by going through Ireland - so the UK would de facto be in the customs union, and it is heaven for any drug lord or people smuggler.

Doug you are surpassing yourself recently , after your poking fun at the Polish for being pumpkin pickers, you now pick on migrants, your liberalist socialism is falling around your ears, added to that you say you are getting an EU passport, what do you think Brian Clough would say.

WHICH IS WHY THE EU MUST IMPOSE A HARD BORDER WITH EIREl!!!

Apologies for shouting but nobody is listening......heads buried in the sand.....

Sorry; I gathered otherwise. No idea why I made that error. And people do die, and people are born, That's the way of the world. I never said there was going to be another referendum. I stated that I didn't think Brexit will ever happen. Admittedly it is much more likely than 6 weeks ago, when I was hopeful. But there's still time to avoid Brexit, even if Corbyn has contrived to make that outcome less likely.

If there were an election then in a perfect world Labour Party members could oust Corbyn and Labour MPs would stand on a Remain platform. But since when did politicians care for what the people want?

Correct.
But none of the other things you said in your post will happen.

Build a wall like everyone else.

But why would they impose a hard border with Eire ? It is an EU country just like Poland. It has not voted to leave ! Would they make a hard border with Greece or Lithuania

People are listening but you are talking nonsense

Those of us with Irish blood or sympathies are listening, but Ireland is a sovereign nation and refutes such an idea. A hard border would mean Ireland leaving the European Union . I presume you refer to the country as Eire to avoid recognising Ireland as the Republic and the North...

Ask Atch which she prefers. I could be wrong here....but I'm not:)

Because there will not be a hard border between NI and Eire?

THINK!

Uk drug dealer wants to sell in France....hard border in Dover,soft border in NI.....

Am I the only person who thinks that unification of Ireland is the best option here?