Brexit 2019 and Poland

Not anymore....

Will there be an unending Brexit?

Tusk today:

Personally, I am in favour of the UK remaining in the EU, but I am of opinion that a nation-wide referendum matters more than a parliamentary vote.

Exactly. Supposedly Italy will veto any kind of extension... (unless it's a negotiating tactic to get stuff behind the scenes....)

No country would veto any extension. They will do what the major players tell them to do in this case as they know what side their bread is buttered on. And of course MPs are not going to vote tonight for the amendment in favour of another referendum, because that would be admitting they lied to the populace in the first place.

All we can hope for is a soft Brexit with the Single market in place, and freedom of movement that goes with it. Without of course the right of representation in the EU council.

Nothing is remotely as good as what we have now. Except that leaving the European Union is going to stop those fuckking foreigners from taking our jobs, right?

Settle down Doug as the news just came in. (OUR jobs ?)

UK Parliament votes to ask EU to delay Brexit by at least 3 months; Britain's March 29 departure now unlikely.
LONDON (AP) -Britain's Parliament has voted against holding a new Brexit referendum, at least for now.
Lawmakers defeated by a decisive 334-85 vote a motion that called for another public vote on whether to stay in the European Union or leave.

So...it looks like the future will be this:

Everything stays the same only now without Britain having any say in Brussels! (Because frankly nothing will be different to now in three months time).

So ironic! The Brexiters wanted more freedom and rights for Britain (or so they always said), but achieved the total opposite. They destroyed the influenced Britain had in the EU.

Not to mention the mocking world press...

in other words the EU effectively restricted the freedom of British citizens in the name of intimidating other countries.... a softer version of Budapest 56 and Prague 68 (so that the other satellites wouldn't get any fancy ideas)


....cause they don't think it would win....

Which words would that be?

Did you watch the ongoing mess of the Brexit treaty votings in London recently? All there to observe by an amazed/amused world?

That is not of the EU's doing, sorry...the Brexiters brought it all on themselves, and totally unnecessary at that.

That Tusk wants to give the Brits even more time is a real generous offer...he is a nice guy! :)

PS: But it's not even true he will be heard:


theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/mar/14/brexit-mps-to-vote-on-delaying-departure-from-european-union-politics-live

"Unanimously".....hmmm....

I was playing the role of the British dimwit xenophobe who voted for Brexit. I thought that was clear even to you Johnny. The good news is that the Tories have at least 30 Remainers who will vote against May's deal consistently, whoever much she cajoles or threatens them with no deal, and that is without the ERG.

Only the right-wing TV media are pretending that May has a chance of a hard Brexit. Her deal is dead and there is an ever greater chance of No Brexit the longer this runs on.

It is amusing that you and Mafeketis seem to know less than the square root of **** all about the real situation here, but dip your noses in. Nice to know you care.

There is now a rumour that Orban might veto the extension. That insolence would have started war just 80 years ago, and we shall see how he shuts his mouth through some carrot for his gang.

Orban???

He is in trouble with his party Fidesz in Brussels actually...what would he get out of this veto?

Which means that he's received orders from elsewhere.

It's certainly not in Poland's interest to veto anything.

Source LBC radio...but nobodies like the Hungarian PM obviously need to sound off now and again. We can suppose that Mrs Orban will slap him down come his bed-time.

Yes. The British government has behaved disgracefully.... that's what happens when the government wants to thwart the will of the people (hint: nothing good).

They don't want to thwart the will of the people - the govt is proposing Brexit and exiting the single market and customs union.

If they really wanted to thwart the 2016 version of the will of the people they could simply withdraw the article 50 letter.

then why do they need a delay? what is going to change in three months? The EU will not negotiate because it never negotiates. The only options at this point are a no deal Brexit or no Brexit (and rubbing the populations' nose in the fact that the government will do what it wants people's will expressed at the ballot box be dammed)

Because the ministries responsible - trade, foreign office, Brexit dept - did nothing to prepare for exit despite being run by prominent leavers. They did nothing for two years and then resigned.

There is another option - a new referendum with all the facts and the available deal on the table.

The EU has negotiated but it had its own key interest - to maintain the integrity of the single market, and being much bigger it is in a much more powerful negotiating position. The upshot is that any deal will be worse than full membership economically and politically for Britain. The govt and May especially have not been honest about sharing this fact with the electorate

I think they're afraid of losing... otherwise they would have already prepared for it. And all the facts on the table would indicate just how powerless national governments have become vis a vis financial interests (aka liquid capital). That's the elephant in the room, it's not EU institutions calling the shots but financial institutions (the financial-bureaucratic complex).


Many leave voters were aware that (esp in the short term) there would be financial costs but thought it was worth it anyway.


Why put a prominent remainer in charge of the leave process unless the goal is to sabotage the process.

I had to smile at that I admit....

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Yes you are right about financial interests - Britain is in an especially weak position to fight these because banking is by far its biggest industry. After the end of the Empire it found its place in the world by basically becoming the back office for Europe.

If the government had started serious no deal preparations two years ago it might of been in a better position to exit now, but in the meantime there would've been an exodus of high-paying jobs, high taxpaying companies, know-how etc which would be a disaster not just for a few years but for a few generations.

As for "putting a reminder in charge" - she was democratically elected, first by her own party and then in 2017 by the country. In the 2017 elections hard Brexit UKIP was on the ballot and got just 2% of the vote

So with 10 days to go the UK has had to go crawling to the EU for an extension - what a counter-productive mess! The EU has never had more power over the UK than it has at this moment

Farage is marching to London with a group of supporters - But after three days his army is down to about 70 people - more or less the same number of posters that are on this forum

It's part of May's plan to sabotage Brexit without the danger of a second referendum...

I think plan is a foreign word for her LOL

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The Brexit seems to have transformed itself into a complete farce now... Btw, doesn't Theresa May look terrific wearing those trousers?

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Thumbs up for the comments

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The sheer nerve that some people are still blaming the EU for the mess that is Brexit... .

I guess they will blame the EU for the mess after the Brexit too.....

Faradžić will lead the Brits,
will lead the Brits...

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Britain Strong (Remove EU)

Ah yes Daniel Hannan - we've been having a lot of fun with him in Ireland lately. Not very bright Brits are a great source of entertainment. He's been trolled on Twitter by the Irish over the last day or so as a result of some foolish comments he made in an article, which clearly demonstrated his complete ignorance of Irish history.

The Hannan Irish history thing will amuse us for a while now. Here are my favourites so far:

"The Irish Potato Famine was introduced by the EU in 1996 as a punishment for Ireland rejecting Nice I. Only the UK stood by the Republic of Éire, loaning them potatoes in their hour of need. #HannanIrishHistory"

"Michael Collins faked his own death in 1922 in what was then Ireland's largest insurance scam. Collins would later flee to America and flew the Apollo 11 mission. He would be immortalised in the song 'In the air tonight' written by his brother Phil #HannanIrishHistory."