Brexit 2019 and Poland

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Can London ignore that?

Call back when there are 15 million more... (of eligible voters)

Does it offend you mafeketis that Brexit is likely to not happen at all? I am amazed that you are so concerned, seeing as you are a Yankee/southerner. Why should you care - other than to push your populist agenda, that is?

Less likely by the hour :-)

I don't mean to start crowing about some of the reporting of PIS's disgusting misreading of the situation............but, to re-quote one infamous Brit - "You're not laughing now, are you?"


The hate on this forum for the European Union is really low - especially from those living here who have benefited a great deal from EU membership. If the UK leaves, the EU loses it's third largest net contributor and Poland will have to again suffer the supper of smalec and ogorki to go with it's rye bread - because it will take a sharp step back economically.

In the meantime, those of us on the other side of the wire, who have actually grasped the fundamentals, realise that freedom of movement et al and the greater good have only positives.

tha'ts an oxymoron....

It's generally not good when governments don't pay attention to the expressed will of the citizenry... It's especially bad when they claim to be doing so while sabotaging said expressed will.

The EU has done massive amounts of good in the past, but the agenda of the past few years has gone off the rails and they need a wake up call to pull back. I was hoping that the Brexit vote might be such a wake up call... but no, it's just fossilized the useless fossils more to more and intrusive meddling.

Are you glad that the German-French alliance produced the legislative abortion known as the current version of Article 13? You want more of that? Really?

In a way the Brexit was such a call...but to the contrary of your hopes. The EU rallied instead, planning even more integrations than becoming the trade-only club Brits (and others) would have preferred.

You can make an argument that the self-removal of the biggeest cog in the wheel of the EU on its way to a USofE worked.

Not all EUians are happy about it, mind you...

Anyhow....the Brexit is over!


theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/22/uri-geller-promises-to-stop-brexit-using-telepathy

You will stand no chance! :)

Oh get over it you .....!


Don't make me laugh? If you really believe that there is something really off with your sense of reality. three times really in a one sentence means I'm really suprised.

I find Uri Geller much funnier.... :)

She is not funny with telling May not to do it. May hasn't wanted to do it from the very start. she was trying to Brexit without Brexit. It not about her or about majority of British politicians she need to tell that to the British public that they forget about democracy, a will of the people and a referendum, that they need to suck on it and like it. Good luck with that.

Past 4 million and growing, more than 10% of voters have signed in 2 days.

What if that petitions would achieve those 15 Million maf mentioned?

Verified eligible voters.... not just anyone with a chip on their shoulder....

The petition is open to any UK resident or citizen, as it should be.

So... it's a glorified opinion poll... not impressed.

It's a formal government petition.

And nobody cares if you're 'impressed' or not.

Added my signature :)

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It's up to about 4.5 million and growing! That's 'only' 10% of the entire electorate, however for a government petition that's remarkable.

The govt is obliged to debate this once ot is over 100k signatures. Perhaps while doing that they can set out the many benefits of Brexit

Because there seems to be only one benefit - that it upholds the referendum result. But the problem with that is that nobody is willing to lead the practical process of leaving the EU - of course no politician wants their name next to that disaster either now or in the history books.

which is a good long term benefit, stopping at this stage would be (yet another) blow against democracy and for technocracy...

Again - to state the bloody obvious - what has it got to do with you? Opinions are allowed, but you don't give reasons why Britain should Brexit, other than that "17.4 miliion voted to leave". This doesn't affect you in any shape or form, does it? Unless, and delete as applicable:

1. You are a British passport holder
2. You are domiciled or own property/assets in Britain
3. Your work/business has close ties with Britain and your economic well being is so connected.

Now, which of the above concerns you, if you don't mind me asking?
All this talk of democracy is nonsense. There is no such thing. We elect our politicians to look after our interests, not to implement our opinions. And now the politicians are slowly working the problem out, and will get to the logical conclusions sooner or later, which is that Brexit is not workable, largely because of the importance of Union, and also because it will palpably damage the economy.

I think it's fair to say that at this stage there are probably people who voted for Brexit and have since changed their minds. It's a harsh lesson to learn that you shouldn't say 'yes' to something unless you know what it is you're saying yes to. Anyway, if there's enough public demand for a second referendum, the government will have to listen unless they want a complete breakdown of law and order. Look at the march taking place today. That's a very powerful message.

It's quite obvious that Brexit, even to those who wanted it, hasn't turned out as planned and isn't going to. It's time to give up the dream and accept reality. Take the withdrawal agreement as it stands or choose to stay in the EU. Otherwise it's no deal and utter chaos to follow.

OK - so the people who want to defend democracy and smash technocracy need to come up with a plan that implements their referendum promises. In 3 years, despite the democratic apparatus being in their hands, they have not done that

Boris - resigned
farage - first fled to America now presenting a radio show
Davis - resigned
Gove - offered a chance to take over negotiations last October and refused.

Not a peep from these or any of the other Brexiters about how the Uk can leave the EU and become richer (as they promised) safer (as they promised) and with more prospects (as they promised)

Given that failure to act, they forfeit any right to preach about will of the people.

Sadly, it means a Westminster Hall debate.


Plenty. Plus older voters dying and younger ones becoming eligible. In a matter where the issue is so serious (and would normally requite 60% approval) and where the margin is tiny, this is significant.

Good, we agree!

I really believe in democracy and letting supposedly wiser heads prevail over legitimate ballot results usually works out worse in the long run. The stolen Russian election in 1996 helped Putin sink his claws into power (which is not.... good).

But you keep ignoring the facts of who is going to execute it - all the required people - civil servants, business leaders, trade experts, lawyers, security officials etc are pro Remain.

They might not be wiser but they are certainly more competent and experienced and if they don't want to work for Leave politicians then it is very hard to force them - which is why your comparison with Russia is wrong, Putin can simply jail or assassinate people who obstruct him.

What would be really beneficial for Britain - perfect democracy or having an orderly well run economy ?

Now it gets serious....Berlin scratches welfare benefits (Hartz IV) for in Germany living Brits because of the expected Brexit.
That will make life much more difficult for about 3700 out of about 16.000 Brits.

tag24.de/nachrichten/kein-hartz-iv-wegen-brexit-berliner-jobcenter-streicht-briten-die-stuetze-1011253

Then there is a serious problem in the UK in which civil servants, business leaders etc don't understand or care about concerns of the majority. This is not healthy.

But the pics of this march today in London are a sight to behold...I doubt I have ever seen such a sea of blue and gold stars ever...

This pic from today's huge demonstration hit the nail on the head. The quote is ironically from David Davies MP, an arch-quitter

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