Brexit 2019 and Poland

They probably understand their fellow countryman and they might even care about them - but that is different from wanting to spend a few years of your career implementing some boneheaded plans that you know will not be a success.

It doesn't work in the way you think it does.


Not long past there was a class system in the uk. It hasn't changed that much beside rhetoric. Lots of middle class people believes that those unelected professionals actually know better than some ordinary working class people, democracy means electing MPs whose jobs is to know better and to make decisions in the name of the voter and in their best interest but not act according to their instructions.


here, see what I mean maf ?

They (those in favor of undoing brexit before it happens) are neoliberals - one of the defining features of which is an ironclad distrust of voters. That's why 'nationalism' has become a dirty word - even though that's the only system that actually is capable of providing lots of good things - because it also implies that the people (as opposed to technocrat know-it-alls) should make important decisions.

That's right. The ordinary person is too busy carving a life for themselves to be fully in the know. Would you rather mess about with your house yourself at weekends, or get a professional in to do the job, as that's his field of expertise?

And therin lies the problem in The UK.
Our politicians do not know better.
Many of them are ignorant and useless.

Mmmm. I used to think that most Nottingham Forest footballers were useless, but I was even worse.

LOL!!!!!!

The plot thickens. Government imploding. Parliament takes over the agenda on Wednesday. Brexit slipping away.

All incredibly embarrassing for us Brits.....pathetic....the mood back here is turning against even voting....and then Corbyn might get in.....and Britain is finished forever......

Only if Labour stand on a 2nd referendum platform....

Yeah,maybe.But that would be even more divisive.
How do you think leavers would vote?
I think many would not bother.......and if the turnout is much less than the last referendum.
What then?

Miloslaw - every single poll for the last 3 months that is recognised as an authentic poll has Remain ahead by more than 5 points. Demographics also favour Remain.

Face it - the hopes of Leavers are starting to ebb away.

Or TM could go nuclear.....No Deal......

A lot of ERG turncoats will back May in the end - but I would never expect the DUP to back her. Union is everything for them, and the Backstop is a 100 percent deal breaker.

No deal will not be allowed to happen Miloslaw. The word coup is too strong a word, but that would would damage too many lives, and business wont allow it. Already the business secretary has gone tonight, and the cabinet would oust May if she were to allow no Deal, and Brexit would be revoked the very next business day.

For the first time Scum Murdoch news is giving the Revoke option the time of day - and whether we like it or not, Murdoch drives the mass mood.

She can't get the votes for it. Still, I think at this point, she should just say that there's no more proposals from the government and leave it for Parliament to settle.

Everything possible will be done to avoid a 'no deal' for all kinds of reasons which are fairly obvious to most of us. Btw, May admitted, when questioned in the House, that no deal would mean imposing direct rule from Westminster in Northern Ireland and nobody wants that for obvious reasons. I'm not sure how much any of you keep up with the Irish news but there has been a lot of police activity around the border area in recent weeks and caches of weapons and ammo have been found, plus there were the letter bombs to the UK and the car bomb in Derry. That's the tip of the iceberg and everybody knows it.

She might choose no deal but she would be deposed.

A referendum would be divisive but something needs to break this logjam and it's either that or an election. If it's an election then no deal or hard Brexit people can vote UKIP

Spot on Milo.
Corbyn told the prime minister: "The government's approach to Brexit has now become a national embarrassment.
"Every step of the way along this process the government has refused to reach out, refused to listen and refused to find a consensus that can represent the views of the whole of the country not just her own party," he said.

Dictator one may think.

There's a huge amount of frustration in nationalist communities over this, and it seems to me that it just needs a spark for violence to return. If the UK goes ahead with the idiotic plans to allow all imports in from Ireland without control, it's going to devastate border communities economically, and that's exactly where the spark will come from.

But No deal Brexit remains the legal default.

Many people are reciting the lyrics to The Eagles song "Hotel California","You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave",

I think that's probably nearer the mark.........

The Eagles could be the whole soundtrack for the Hollywood film of this debacle, starring Meryl Streep of course as TM....

How about :
"Thought by now you'd realise...
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes"

Very good Doug!

I bet there are plenty more song lyrics that could be applicable!

Yes, and no-one seems able to understand this. It's why I think May should just give up trying to do anything and tell Parliament that it's their job to decide what to do next. The situation is clear: the UK leaves at 23:00 on Friday unless the law is changed, and if parliament can't agree on anything and the UK crashes out, so be it.

I think people seriously underestimated how strong the EU would be in negotiations, and those that understood it wisely wanted nothing to do with the negotiations.

There's plenty of blame to go around here.... I give the EU a lot of sh1t but the UK is being stupid and inflexible too, this video outlines how no deal is the only realistic option given the UK government's positions... accept and move forward realizing that...

youtube.com/watch?v=agZ0xISi40E

Interesting times...

Absolutely.

Agreed. There's no point in dragging this out anymore - better to leave with no deal and head towards elections in 2022 with the consequences known.

At this point, it's just a shambles, and it looks like the UK will beg for extension after extension without ever resolving the situation.

I'd personally rather have no deal so that people understand exactly what they voted for.

Franco German alliance baby, the same strong minds that are bringing article 13 to fetid life and which have already restricted access to non-European news sites because of their strong internet privacy thing (a massive ball of legislative fail).

No - this is a Remain parliament and the opinion polls show that the country feels the same way. Revoke will win over No Deal - and anyway, Delph has already mentioned that parliament will take the decision away from May if she did in fact accept No deal - which she said herself in parliament that she wont anyway.....

...unless the Eagles' lyrics really do ring true of course. but luckily, the decision is being taken out of her hands, for May has failed.

It's clear that the driving force towards leaving our EU is the ERG, fanatics to a man. Parliament however take the decisions now.

Not that simple, Shirley? The votes tomorrow are indicative. May has intimated that she will ignore "opinion". And let's hope she does.
That will only bring the revoke option closer.