Brexit 2019 and Poland

I still do not believe that Lizz Truss is a minister who decides anything about anything... If human stupidity is measured by thickness, she would be the point of singularity before the big bang.

This really has the ambition to go for the leadership bid:

youtu.be/r0M1YEf9s0g

youtu.be/bRhlRM6rYck

Lizz Truss, what a slimy c*nt.

As I said, the no no-deal might not be entirely up to the UK...

True,and might not be entirely bad either.

Since no deal is now illegal, it looks like a long extension. The important thing is the upcoming elections for MEPs.

No it is not.
It is still the default setting.

Technically. And that's only until Monday Milo. So if for some ridiculous reason the EU summit couldn't give May an extension (and that would be wonderful if they didn't) she would have little option but to Revoke 24 business hours after next Friday.

So sorry that you Brexiteers got your hopes so high, but there was never ever any logic to this and a lot of politicians and civil servants are going to look very stupid indeed when we scrap Brexit, however long they take to get round to the fact.

Already they are washing tens of millions of taxpayers money by such political nonsense as printing new passports without the "European Union" lettering. Idiots.

It would be difficult if not impossible for May to defy the will of parliament.


They're seething with rage now their hopes are dashed.

Whatever happens,and I have no clue what will happen,scrapping Brexit is just not an option.
Far too toxic.....as you know,we Brits don't do uprisings and revolutions like some of our European friends and neighbours,
But no Brexit would bring that into the realms of possibility.
I think the politicians know that......at least I hope so....

That depends on the outcome of a people's vote; especially as the last one is proven beyond doubt to have been subject to widespread electoral fraud.

Listening to baroness Hayter, the Labour leader in the Lords, who refuses to answer the question as to how much Labour are pushing for a people's vote, and that these talks are not going to amount to a deal, as Corbyn is damned if he does, only serves to strengthen the suspicion that Labour are playing the long game, for a General election, and that the Brexit choice will come down to No deal or revoke.

Clearly the economy and property prices dictate that Brexit will be dust. And we can put the genie back in the bottle, put away the nationalist flags, elect a Labour government, remove Corbyn (that's the tricky part) and get on with it.

Yes. This has always been the case.


I wish. The party are scared to, partly because of the surge in membership connected to him. At least he's easily manipulated. I have a sneaking suspicion that the issue will resolve itself a year or so after the election...

Oh dear!! :) ROFL

Theresa May has been schooled to put out a video on social media today, acting the nice auntie next door, patronising her nephews and nieces, explaining why she is the good cop.

Her performance will not be winning any Oscars. As a corporate actor of sorts myself in the past, I can see where the delivery is unreal and forced. But then, so can naybody. She's making herself the laughing stock (as per usual)

youtube.com/watch?v=fC3WYPxM2oY

She's doing everything she can to keep the voice of the deplorables from affecting policy that benefits her and hers (like you.....)

You surely can't say that you back her? She completely misses the point that today there is a majority for revoke/remain, and that that she will no have choice but to revoke grant another referendum - UNLESS some indicative vote (which is to her liking) were to pass this week - but Labour and remain Tories will make sure nothing of the sort does, I would have thought.

Then there really will only be be two options. Either the EU grant a long extension (even though May has no plan) or she will have to revoke. I am starting to wish I had put my money where my mouth was months ago - but remain will do for me. It's ridiculous that my wife will have to fill in an EIGHTY SIX page form just to ask for right of stay in the UK if we do leave.

Blame those that have abused the system....

Like Tory millionaire non-doms...

Nope. I blame the xenophobic government. but it's OK, because unlike Americans with Trump, the British are not going to back May and we're not going to leave.

Have you heard how much they have to pay to the Windrush people? Everything that creature's government does turns to dust. She's actually looking ill now; The 'brexit' fiasco will be the undoing of her.

Yep. 200 million plus.....

So Jeremy Berkshire Hunt is suggesting in a EU corridor "interview" this morning that the Tories might compromise and go for a customs union Brexit and meet Corbyn's demands to some degree

This is interesting because this is the first time that a (newish) cabinet leaver has indicated such. I hope it's just prat Jeremy living up to his reputation for teflon no-decision making.

Bum squeaking.

A customs union is a bit pointless since it would require the UK to remain aligned with EU rules on health, consumer law, agriculture, veterinary standards etc. That kind of Brexit means having to abide by the rules of a club to which you no longer belong and have no say in. Wouldn't be popular with Brexiteers methinks.

Barnier is in Dublin today and has said that in case of a no-deal Brexit, the EU would not open trade talks until the question of the Irish border had been resolved.

"If the UK were to leave without a deal, let me be very clear, we would not discuss anything with the UK until there is an agreement for Ireland, Northern Ireland as well as for citizen's rights and the financial settlement," he said.

Well Atch - so now we are going into a new European election and a long extension.
I think we can sleep a bit easier tonight. The sooner this thing is over and these xenophobes are put back in their cage, the better.

Otherwise it's Ireland for me in retirement and I don't know if I could afford the bar bills!

And another vote somehow would not be?


You couldn't,they have The Euro.
You will have two choices,stay in Poland or move back to The UK.

Every day some more good news.


Almosty certainly not, given the level of scrutiny that there will be when we vote again...

You have more faith in British politics than most Brits Jon.

Now the Mother of Parliaments is finally being more assertive against this shitshower of self-serving Tory scum, there is some cause to be cautiously optimistic...

It is clear tonight to me that if and when Labour can again, as in the 1990s, regain the middle ground, obviously having ditched Corbyn, the Tories will be out of power for a generation. In the meantime, Brexit is bound to fail and the Tories will be blamed for lifting Pandoras' box and setting free the worst of British jingoism.

So another poster referred to a certain Politician - I don't recall... But is there a sadder specimen of the species than the so called leader of the house, Andrea Leadsom? What an apology for a human being! I feel truly sorry for her, but it's never too late to gain absolution.

Post 10 on this thread. I might do alright in a casino. Of the three, option number one is still my choice. Robert Peston came to that conclusion after me, and he's the rich journalist.

Time will tell, and quite rapidly now, as big business ain't going to tolerate this flux for much longer....and will start drifting away in larger numbers if dear Mrs May doesn't get a grip.

Reading through this thread it appears I owe you an apology Dolno.
Heaven knows if it is scaremongering but the new Uk regulations for vetting EU residents in Britain would amount to 85 pages. I didn't believe your negative take as to the paperwork at first.It seemed too far fetched and ridiculous to possibly be true.

If this is true, in a post Brexit Britain in retirement me and Mrs Dougpol would be holding a fire sale on our assets here and relocating either to Ireland or the Canaries. Really can't be doing with this bureaucracy in old age - which is EXACTLY what these controlling fuckkers in the home office are counting on, and with them being Polish, with its' history, I am frankly astonished that anyone Polish would condone it.

We can be absolutely sure though that most Polish immigrants who have the vote, vote Tory and Brexit - to protect their 'rights against immigrants'.

Scum..

I don't think so. Just because the British parliament wants a long extension doesn't mean they'll get one and in fact, I think there would be strong resistance to that in the EU 27. We're all fed up of Brexit at this point and the squabbling and dithering of the Brits. I'm sure that Jacob Rees Mogg's foolish comments about British MEPs blocking and obstructing the business of the EU parliament ,if a long extension forces them to contest the EU elections and take their seats, won't have gone unnoticed in Brussels.

Guy Verhofstadt (like him or not, he has considerable influence and that's what counts) said last night that he fears a long extension will result in spending the next two or three years talking about Brexit, instead of the reform and renewal of the EU - and one can't help but feel he's right.

The problem with Britain is that they retain the underlying mentality of an imperial power, where they feel that their affairs are of the utmost importance, to the exclusion of all 'lesser' nations.


Not just the bar bills. Everything is expensive in Ireland - although it's possible to get a nice house in many parts of the country for well under 100,000 euros. Also there is still a real sense of community in small towns and the surrounding countryside and as you grow older, there is a lot of support available.

The main drawback with Ireland is the climate. It's not so much the rain as the damp - and the wind and of course the cloudy skies. Sometimes it's like being smothered under a big grey blanket! What I miss most about Ireland is the 'craic', the conversation, Irish people always have time to talk at length, the humour. I remember one day, we had a visit from the lady who was updating the electoral register and obviously she saw that Mr Atch was Polish and she commented that her own husband was Dutch. She said that he'd been in Ireland 20 years and that they'd been married 15, swiftly followed by "Jesus, you'd do less time for murder" :D

And lo and behold, the EU have made it a condition of any extension that British MEPs will not disrupt EU decision making.

Apparently there are two proposals on the table at tomorrow's EU summit.

In the first, Brexit will be delayed until 22 May if Tessie manages to get a deal through the Commons by Friday, which, let's face it, is not very likely to happen.

Under the second plan, which kicks in if a deal is not passed by MPs, the EU leaders could be asked to consider a nine or 12-month extension, until 31 December 2019 or 31 March 2020. They may well opt for the nine month option, as everybody would like to see Brexit done and dusted by the end of the year. Of course that means the UK definitely has to contest the European elections. It really is a pantomime, more like farce at this stage. It's almost Monty Pythonesque, isn't it?

Really?
I haven't seen that reported.

The draft communiqué to be discussed at the EU summit today includes an assurance, which the UK would have to sign-up to, in which the British government would agree to act in a 'constructive and responsible manner' through the period of the extension.

You don't read the right news sources. The Brexit reporting/analysis in the Irish media is much more in depth than the British sources. I sound like that Scottish character in Harry and Paul, 'oh yes, everything Scottish, is much, much better than anything English' :))

The BBC is a disgrace these days. Dumbed down beyond belief. Do you know, in a report of stabbing, it stated that the victim had been stabbed in the diaphragm and then went on to explain what the diaphragm is!!