Brexit 2019 and Poland

The real problem with Brexit is only one - the Northern Ireland border issue. All others are just minor issues. Which can be fixed with just some adjustment to the changed circumstances. Maybe short term loses, long term gains. It depends on the quality of the grovemnat. That quality is what really can be a downfall of the uk.

May and I think English Brexitiers as well don't really grasp significance of the NI and that issue. It could really F up uk in a bad way for generation to came if not handled properly. Tories seem to be listening (until recently)only to DUP which is a huge mistake.

Idealogue Corbyn sticking his heels in on no second referendum. That's not the same of course as admitting that there has to be a "confirmatory" referendum. Even Corbyn is not so dim to grasp that the huge majority of Labour voters are for Remain, and anyway the news tonight is that his little chats with May didn't go as expected and are not going to end in anything concrete. Unless they are planning to stitch the country up like a kipper together tomorrow.

In the (unlikely) event of a Brexit, Dougpol shall be decamping to warmer climes in old age, as I shall not be investing wifey's portfolio in a Brexit Britain. Those xenophobes can go fuckk themselves.

Remember Sir Keir Starmer is sat next to him in every meeting with Sourface May.

Corbyn's clique of old-Labour northern MPs may hate migration from Poland etc, however the party as a whole doesn't, and Corbyn does generally know when he's beaten. He seems to be playing a very clever game.

Two problems with that post Doug.
Firstly,Corbyn is very dim.
Secondly,the huge majority of Labour voters,in the seats that count for Labour,actually voted leave.
So he has a huge problem here.
My opinion,both The Labour party and The Tory party are in big trouble.
I see a sea change in British politics coming.....

He's not one of life's intellectuals, however some of the best people in the PLP certainly are bright as buttons.


In the marginals, it's not usually such a big leave presence. The high leave voting Labour seats tend to be the safe ones.

The ones they really need to win an election are the floating voter southern seats; those mostly voted Remain.

YC4PM

Please......NO!!!!!

YC not JC.

YC4PM, JC4FO

Not to mention the Scottish ones that will be absolutely essential if they want to win a majority. Anything less than full support for Remain is going to punish them there.

Don't agree Jon. Time for Corbyn to nail his colours to the mast and respect the wishes of the 90 percent of Labour voters for a confirmed confirmatory refendum.

We all know that would be a vote to Remain - which is why leading political figures ( apart from Thornberry, Watson and Starmer,) don't have the nerve to call for it.

Very much so. Most of the traditional Labour voting Scottish constituencies are Nicola's now. And she is sensibly a hard Remainer and in favour of freedom of movement within our EU.

I rather wish she wasn't a separatist, since she'd make a great PM for the whoie UK (though that's a different thread!)

Nonsense Jon :)) The SNP leader in the Commons is a much better politician than that woman. She's flannel.

Milo. On the phone, but reposting your view about Labour Northern seats. There are very few that are solidly Labour, and also big for Leave. I think you will find that most places that were heavily Leave were split constituencies, with a heavy Tory vote. The facts are that over 70 Percent of Labour voters voted Remain, ergo Labour policy should reflect that.

Just read your post Jon. Nottinghamshire Labour seats voted heavily out. Huge Tory vote, because Notts people don't understand the concept of solidarity . I know because I am born and Bred.

Jesus, you would do better.

No Deal blocked - subject to House of Lords' backing,
Take that you Tory fukkers!

Excellent! Next, a proper referendum...


Definitely. I'd make Clement Atlee look like a Tory.

youtu.be/lVvM1aeakgc

:)))


This is an absolute spectacle. :)

youtu.be/xXOu3U_CbpU

"damn dissections why can't we just go with simple slogans" LOL

One of the best James O'Brien moments ever came when he brought a fool who went on a mantra about Brexit in such a contradiction (on the third minute and a little later) that the man went simply silent, then started to stutter, and instead of the talk about the economy, he just started with "Well, if we stood up to Nazi Germany ... "

youtu.be/SSReyPtovWw

"What do you think a head of Airbus is missing that you can see?"

I fell on the floor laughing from the 5th second. :)


The best is the bloke who would built in microchips into the Irish :)

youtu.be/7NRNzFcoA2U

Some class acts on LBC (the presenters - not the callers!) I have to grudgingly admit that Nigel Farage is a damn fine radio presenter, having the grace and habit of always listening to his callers. JOB has the directly contrasting style of battering the caller with his superior intellect and it takes a brave person to call him! :) :)

I have always quite liked Nigel Farage,but lately he is beginning to grate a bit with me...he says the same old stuff all the time and can be a bit extreme.

As for JOB,he is a pompous prat and not half as clever as he thinks he is.
He would lose many of his arguments if he didn't have control of the mixer.....so that he can turn people down and talk all over them....

Majid Nawaz is one I don't always agree with but respect his intellect and Ian Dale is good and fair minded too.

Right winger and just as set in his mind as JOB - the wrong side, as it happens:) Not as funny either.

Doug,you need to make your posts clearer.
Nobody knows who you are talking about mate!

One of the good guys.

Or alternatively, as he suggests, we need to 'stop the squabbling' and become British again or of course we could leave the EU :D

He's just an average working class guy and in his own way, he means well, thinks there's an obvious solution. But there is that strange underlying idea you'll find with a significant number of English people, that other nations should serve the interests of Britain, including surrendering their sovereignty for England's convenience.

I also saw a clip on the BBC of a rather posh woman who was stopped on the street and asked for her views which were, 'the Southern Irish will just have to accept that they can't have everything their own way'. I think she must have been confusing us with the English and in particular with Brexiteers!

I was referring to the media presenter Ian Dale, who strangely tends to wear his homexuality like a cross - when in fact nobody but him cares what his sexual orientation is. You said you like him. I was saying I don't .By definition, you don't get to present on LBC if you are not extremely knowledgable and well educated. Viz a viz, the gentleman's relative intelligence is of no import.

Looks like a long extension. May is going to ask for one on Friday and Tusk has said he's going to propose a 12 month flexible extension at the EU summit next week. Of course none of this changes the fact that the withdrawal agreement forms the basis of the UK's exit and will not be renegotiated, but it gives the UK more time to consider the other options, which are basically leave with no deal or stay. As there is minimal parliamentary support for no deal, it'll end up being 'stay'. The only question is how that will be achieved.

They say that the more reputable the company the easier it is to sever relations when you want.... the EU/UK Parliament mess makes one (or both) seem like comcast hassling customers trying to leave...

Which ever is the comcast in the scenario I can't imagine why the other really wants to keep the service...

youtube.com/watch?v=LjiO1Qo3ZFo

Actually the EU have bent over backwards to be accommodating to the UK. The problem is the Irish border, which the UK never considered before the referendum. It never occurred to the British government that they had a land border with an EU country and that the terms of a binding treaty which they signed twenty years ago, committed both the UK and the Republic of Ireland to keeping that border open. That severely limits the UK's options in terms of the kind of Brexit they can have. It was their responsibility to consider that before holding a referendum on EU membership.

So the UK Parliament is comcast.... time to throw the b@stards out and start over...


Kick Ulster out of the UK and let the miserable Scottish scum that wants to stay British swim back to the UK (if the UK will have them, which has its doubts....)

Problem solved!

It also seemingly never occured to them that said country would have a veto (just like any other country) regarding any future deal between the EU and the UK. That is the problem when you see the EU as a German controlled Empire, it makes you blind towards the reality of the power structure within the EU.

This is really good. France's stance in particular will force a long extension, and the longer the extension, the less likely that Brexit will ever happen. The ONLY real reason that MAY is not going to agree to a confirmatory vote is that she knows the vote would be for Remain,

I think they'd simply forgotten how the Irish could be. Since the mid 1990's, they haven't really had to contend with opposition coming from Dublin on any serious level, and relations between the UK and Ireland had warmed up to the point where the Queen could speak a few words of Irish in Dublin Castle - which was historically the seat of British rule over the island. For that reason, I think they expected Ireland to just agree to whatever they came up with, and when the Irish Government said "hang on..not a chance", they were simply completely unable to deal with it.

theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/france-spain-and-belgium-ready-for-no-deal-brexit-next-week

Now it gets serious!