Brexit 2019 and Poland

This Rupert Murdoch?


*wanders off*

They probably won't cave, because it's not in their interest to do so. No-one else has shown any real interest in working with the UK on favourable terms, so why would the EU?

What should frighten the UK most of all is that many of the financial services currently in the UK are on the way out. Back office jobs are heading to Poland, management jobs are heading to Frankfurt, Paris, Zurich and Amsterdam. Without finance, what else does the UK have except as a haven for dirty money?

@Bratwurst Boy

Spot on mate,you are learning.....Brussels doesn't listen to anyone.......because they have their agenda......
And we want no part of that crap.
More lies and false reporting from Delph again.......you really need to manage your Scottish hatred of The English...seek help...

What lies and false reporting?

uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-banks/britain-expects-5000-financial-services-jobs-to-leave-by-brexit-day-idUKKCN1MK11S

Companies are leaving the UK, and it's a complete disaster. I don't want to see England in a huge mess, because it will also drag down Scotland in the process.

Why do you insist on exaggerating this stuff?
I won't deny that it is happening,but to call it a disaster is way OTT.

Why bother? Miloslaw would obviously be happier in Trumps' America because he is just another unicorn hunter, obviously not young, and Brexit wont affect him. He can smirk along with his fellow boozers at the Dog and Duck about how they can now "keep the foreigners out", not appreciating that we were all foreigners at some stage. It might well affect his children though if they want to travel for work.


I would like to see the SNP leader in the house as SNP leader. That woman is bloody useless, and the Scots now need to start taking real steps, as Brexit will hit them where it hurts, in depopulation once again.

It is a disaster, because the UK was very much considered to be the place to have your HQ if you were a large non-European company wanting to work in the EU. Look at all the names that already left - Panasonic, Dyson, Airbus threatening to do so, Sony, and many more. It's not good at all for anyone in the UK, and it's going to be a difficult price to pay for the very few limited benefits of Brexit.


Not agreeing with you there, I'm afraid. I think the SNP are well aware that Brexit will be a disaster, and it will be much easier to make the campaign for independence if they can show how England totally cocked it up.

@Dougpol1

Mate,I am surprised by your sterotyping.
I thought you were better than that.
I couldn't live in anyones America,that is not an insult to America,just my personal taste.
I don't even know what a "Unicorn Hunter"is.
I rarely drink in pubs and then only in the summer.
My children have no plans to move to an EU country,with good reason.
They look more towards Canada,Australia,New Zeeland and even The USA.
Even they can see that,besides Britain,Europe has had it.
And more bloody lies from Delph......what is wrong with you man?
And you let it slip there.....you said England.....
You are truly obsessed!

Who else was responsible? Ah, the Welsh, but they don't count ;)


That's normal for Brits though, always has been. There was always way more attention paid to moving to those countries, even though I'm guessing more Brits live in Spain than anywhere else?

We are all quintessentially British - Dolno too of course. I thought you would enjoy a Sunday pint; what's wrong with that Miloslaw? Remember! British beer is better than Polish beer.The EU will never take our beer!

The pint is 13 percent bigger:)

I'm guessing France,but you may be right.
@Dougpol1
I'm just no longer into that "Pub Culture",but an English pub garden still appeals.....I do drink Polish beer,but yes,British beer is much betrer.

Making the point that Ian Blackford is a much better speaker and politician than the present incumbent at Holyrood, who is so inconsequential that I can't recall her name.


70,000. Daughter is one.

Quite right I cannot and would not remove my Brit part, oh yes the beer. Sunday pint would beat the current glass of red that's for sure.

That old and tired "Two world wars, one world cup" again? WW1: bailed out by the Americans. WW2: bailed out by the Americans and Russians. 1966: bailed out by a Russian referee. There seems to be a pattern... :)


How? Do you ask Trump and Putin for help to destroy the EU? Careful what you wish for. You might end up with a bunch of jealous nation states that are at each other's throat at every opportunity just like in the olden days. I wouldn't call that progress.

Very concerned for Ireland. It's looking as if the UK will have to leave without a deal, which has serious consequences for Ireland due to the complexities around cross-border trade and other areas like health services. The Irish government have prepared a vast amount of legislation, ready to roll out in the event of no deal. I doubt very much that Poland has prepared anything. PIS are incompetent at the best of times even with basic national government and are clueless when it comes to foreign affairs so things look pretty bleak for Poland in the event of no deal, as they will have no contingency plan, or at best something thrown together at the last minute and a giant mess will follow.


Well, as I say, they're clueless about foreign affairs in general and even more so about Irish affairs. They don't understand the sensitivity of the border issue and risk of a return to serious violence - and that is a very real possibility. We are at a very emotional time in Irish history right now, as the next four years mark the centenary of the War of Independence, Partition of the North of Ireland and the Civil War. The car bomb in Derry last weekend coincided almost to the day with the first shots fired in the War of Independence in January 1919, That's not a coincidence. The centenary of Partition is in 2021 so, at this stage, if there is any suggestion of reinstating a border, all hell will break loose, in my opinion. Now Poland has no understanding of that and wouldn't care anyway because ironically "Solidarity" is something they don't display. PIS has no sense of what it means to be part of the EU community and couldn't care less. They are in the EU purely to exploit it for as much cash and other benefits as they can get so they will proceed on that basis - Ireland, not our problem, what about us??

You know, as a side note I am very proud that Germany is supporting Ireland on the border question. If anyone knows in Europe how living in a divided country feels like, it is us. Plus we owe Ireland for their unconditional support during the German reunification.

You know Atch that I have more Irish blood in my veins than some. I share your emotion. The DUP are loving all of this. I never thought I would say please bring back Ian Paisley. At least he was a statesman and could be relied upon for some intelligent pronouncement on that side of the divide. If the EU holds firm you have nothing to worry about and the Brexit minister, Stephen Barclay, has nothing at all to offer in this mysterious "Other arrangements" - so try not to worry too much Atch. Easy for others to say, I know. You're right - the non Irish, we just don't get it unfortunately (Even Andrew Marr on the BBC was guilty of trying to bully Coveney - who clearly is a smart lad, and made Marr look foolish)

Agreed. Paisley had the guts to go into power sharing with Sinn Fein at a critical time, even though it was against everything that he stood for.

Arlene Foster on the other hand is useless, and she's not even willing to entertain the idea of NI being a separate customs jurisdiction in exchange for considerable concessions.

To be fair Atch PiS have made some legislation on citizens rights and are also working on some stuff to protect british assets in Poland.

Probably the last thing PiS wants is an influx of wealthy educated high expectation Poles back to the rural towns they came from

Well that's a start anyway - and of course the EU administration will put something in place to assist all member states to negotiate their way around the mess if there's no deal.


Ah well, I'm not that worried :)) you know the old mercurial nature of the Irish, "Oh Lord, what'll become of us at all, at all - God, that's a lovely blouse Mary, where did you get it?" :D

I actually think that the people who will come off worst in the end are the English - not the British now, but the English. Brexit spells the end for the United Kingdom as we know it. Ultimately Scotland will vote to leave the UK and become independent because they can no longer pretend that it's possible to have your cake and eat it. The bottom line is that if you're in the UK, you're a colony and you do as you're told by the English. Scotland voted to stay in the EU but they have to leave because of the English. Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU and they have to leave. Scotland would have no trouble being a very successful independent nation. They would be accepted into the EU immediately and given loads of support in the early years of membership. Northern Ireland will eventually reunite with the Republic and the UK will consist only of England and poor old Wales. It might take a generation,but it will happen.

Here's a bit of news on that topic:

rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0130/1026480-brexit-contingency/

Theresa May In the Sunday Telegraph.....................
Theresa May said she rejects "that seeking alternative arrangements for the backstop constitutes 'ripping up the Good Friday Agreement'".
May has said she is "determined to deliver Brexit" on time and will renegotiate the Irish backstop.

You're talking about commercial mass produced crap, alas I hope you're not confusing beer with ale....lol

Poland has lost of crafted beers and small brewers that produces a really good stuff.

The Brits should be looking desperately for an answer to the question - what after Brexit! What to do with system that is geared by a mass immigrations. Leaving the EU won't fix it. That is a real problem. Later. Really?

so why bother with Brexit at all. Should just apply the EU law, After all Britain is not a part of the Schengen agreement.

Wishful thinking on her part. There is nothing to renegotiate. The withdrawal agreement already states that the backstop can be replaced at an undetermined future point if "alternative arrangements' can be found. At the moment all possible alternative arrangements have been examined in detail over the last two years and nothing has been considered satisfactory. So that's that. At this time, the Republic of Ireland will not accept anything other than the backstop. If anybody wants to take the time to read the article below, it puts the Irish position in its proper context, a context that those outside Ireland always struggle to understand.

irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/borderlands/keeping-peace

Only last weekend the Irish police and army were carrying out searches on the Republic side of the border, as a result of the Derry car bomb, and found a significant arms cache including a thousand rounds of ammunition. So if Britain leaves with no deal, you won't see any attempts at placing checks in place on the border as they would immediately become targets for terrorist activities. As one senior police official comments, even a drone is not going to be acceptable as it will be seen as a form of surveillance and is likely to be shot down. It's my belief that if there's a no deal situation, life will just go on as normal for the present because there are so many businesses that need to bring goods and services across the border every day, sometimes several times in a single day. On 30 March they will just do business as usual and let the politicians and bureaucrats continue to thrash it out.

This is the thing,The UK,The EU and Ireland have all said that they will not put up a hard border.
So who will?

Nobody. There will be no hard border. If Ireland were a 'normal' country you could have 'normal' customs posts, but it isn't, so you can't.

Exactly.

I say, we are all fed up with the Irish question in Brexit!

Just as the French did not want to "mourir pour Danzig" in 1939, the rest of the EU do not want to "mourir pour Irlande" right now.

Down with the UK and Ireland, and the hard border between them!!!

Spoken like a true Irishman Ziem :D

In fairness Atch, the Irish government operated border posts up until 1993 without much drama. The UK has no way of doing it, but it's clear that in the event of no deal, the Irish government will again control goods heading south. The Irish government is planning for it, but again, mostly no-one is going to attack civilian customs posts in the South. I can't see any way of them building customs posts in the North though, not without Republicans immediately demolishing them.

There's some amusing stories from the 1970's about how the British customs officers simply stopped showing any interest in traffic. They were at the customs posts, but well, it wasn't their job to control people, only goods. If someone didn't stop to declare things, well, it was none of their business as they weren't responsible for controlling the movement of people.

The UK wasn't bothered, because everything was more expensive south of the border anyway. I wonder if the same story won't repeat itself...