Coronavirus in Poland

That's a completely separate issue. It's true, very few Polish people, even people with degrees in business know about basic ideas such as "If you start a business every cent you make has to go back into the business for at least two years" "The owner gets paid last" etc they think starting a business is a license to spend money on themselves.

But being shut down by governments for months on end with little or no compensation.... even well run businesses are going to disappear.

Like the old saying: A recessions is when lots of badly run companies go out of business, a depression is when lots of well run companies go out of business.

Depression on the way yet governments (not just PiS) are curiously unconcerned. It's almost as if they no longer care about smaller businesses surviving...

@mafketis
Depression? Not quite that bad, but close. Inflation. It will be like the early 70's in USA. It will take 15 or more years to recover and recovery wont begin until PiS is out of control and no longer making policy.

Good business, long standing business, know how to weather storms of many types. It is not simply saving, it is planning. Relationship development. Not ever believing the government will help you at any point. This is real business.

Very few business have been completely closed for months. Most other than health clubs and some others have been open at least partially. The problem is even with partial opening, like a place serving take out, they never priced in rent, labor, advertising and other items properly. Now they are scrambling to figure out why there is no margin in the pizza they sell after delivery and all other costs.

The basics of business are what is massively flawed in Poland. A free market economy is a great concept, and a great thing when operating. But if you are not educated enough, and prepared well enough, it will destroy you twice as fast as it made you profitable.

Poland, in large part relies on tourism. No one was prepared for those dollars and euro's to stop rolling in. This is the problem.

The other problem, PiS is not sending the EU money to small business the way they should. It is going to state owned corporations. Like any good communist would do.

Central Krakow and Gdansk, yes. The number of restaurants exceeds what the domestic market can sustain, hence huge problems.

@jon357
Its not just restaurants. It is "Polish Pottery", and other hand made Polish goods, family owned business. It is small clothing shops and tourist trap business that as locals we usually hate in summer. It is small bakeries, small flower shops, and any place that relied on foot traffic for business.

Walk through and around rynek now and it is a different place compared to a year ago. Cloth Hall? They can not refill the empty shops. Small shops near Galleria Krakowska in the tunnel from rynek? Toast, and they cant give away the real estate.

In Opole, the city gets 0 pln from PiS because the city president is critical of PiS. The local university with a PiS mouthpiece running things? A couple hundred million from PiS to support the school that doesnt have in person classes. This is PiS handling the pandemic.

All that. In a crisis (and this is close to being a mega crisis) the part of the service sector catering to tourists goes first. Just as the hundreds of millions spent on training in petrochemicals is the first to go when oil prices drop. Kraków and Gdansk are especially vulnerable, particularly Kraków. Warsaw has a big domestic market, albeit a strained one, particularly for people who rushed into buy to let flats.


Mishandling, and it will get worse.

Ok, I start to think I won't get tested and will hide it from others that I have Covid symptoms if I do

A person I know just lost their new job because one day they had a high fever and felt sick and told their employer about it. New UK guidelines say that someone with symptoms shouldn't show up in the office for 10 days regardless of the test result!

My family member that works in health care said the same, too much trouble,

They are following the poor example of western Europe. What they don't take into account that the German economy has financial reserves and can sustain paranoid corona measures for much longer.

In other words: the German economy may get slimmer but Poland's economy may starve to death unless citizens take matters into their own hands. And that's what is, fortunately, happening right now.

A comic relief:

Corona flat-earthers have reached another level of idiocy. A bunch of masked kids at Italian school are playing flute using inflatable mattress pumps...

twitter.com/i/status/1369048457181331462 (link to a video)

Was it casual work?


Probably for the best right now, however I wouldn't trust some HR departments to respect this.

Temp to perm. The company was happy with the person but fever put an end to it.


Then maybe we should all just quit our jobs and the hell with it?

With that reasoning can you tell me why anyone would bother to do the test?

Things will get back to normal regarding work when this passes.

Can you tell us when that will be? Because it's been a year and still no date.

I find it quite astonishing how easily a lot of people brush off the Covid rules victims. It's like anything can be lied down on the Covid altar.

I don't think they are being brushed off.
I think people have seen it is not the work force that has died.
I think people have seen the work forces dying because of no income.
Things are pretty much opened up here in the U.S.A. to the point there is a surplus of vaccine.
Mr. Biden will announce plans today to purchase an additional 100 million doses of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine, giving the U.S. more than enough supply to vaccinate the entire U.S. population.

Poland should start getting large shipments of the vaccine soon because of this.
Hospital Covid patients are down 80% here.
Has your Mom got her vaccine yet ?

The problem with covid is that we personalize statistics. You can't form a policy on individual cases and feelings of sadness. Life is sad, and especially the end part. That is why every politician starts with a sob story about a ten-year-old girl when he wants something idiotic passed into law.

Statistically, every year, about 1% die. In Poland, that's 1000 a day. Corona claimed 46,000 so far - a number that is a lie because only a fraction died from corona and younger than the life span. Adjusting, that 46,000 by two - which is still wrong - makes it 60 a day. BFD. That is not reason enough to wreck the economy and spend decades to repair it.

What these numbers still do not include are deaths caused by lockdowns and everything evil that goes with this form of terrorism.

I know what I am going to get for this...What if it's you? Back to feelings...

Can anybody?


I don't think that either you are I are doing that. We could probably both give examples of lives that have been messed uo because of this.

Then lets so we can see the other side of the lockdown.
"Messed up", I prefer the word "destroyed" ?
Are there any statistics on lockdown related suicide deaths in Poland ?
Are there any statistics on how many people in Poland who have lost everything they have related to the lockdown ?
Are there any statistics of people in Poland that have had their savings totally depleted because of the lockdown ?
Are there any statistics on the total losses to Poland's economy to date ?


Men think with facts, women think with emotions.

Researcher: "Mass vaccination against Covid-19 could end in disaster"
deblauwetijger.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Geert-vanden-Bossche-2.pdf

Interesting:
inews.co.uk/news/world/tanzanias-covid-denying-president-john-magufuli-is-on-a-ventilator-with-coronavirus-say-sources-907479

@jon357
I saw a video where someone rapid tested a Zubra beer and it came back positive. Was pretty funny really.

I'd be sceptical of videos like that.


But I'd watch one.

With Magufuli it's poetic justice, as it was with that religious preacher over in America or somewhere similar who told his congregation not to wear masks because their faith could conquer illness, then died of it together with his whole family.

you can't see a mile past the closest vicinity of your nose - Poland definitely doesn't rely mostly on tourism - it's not Italy

@gumishu
Really? According to what statistic? Without tourism Poland is in deep $4*t. The airports are operating at deficits, LOT is on life support, hotels are not going to survive, and taxi drivers are retiring in droves.

Are international coal sales going up? Egg exports? Meat exports? Please enlighten all of us on the major economic indicators. Because even PiS has said the economy is getting killed without tourism. Italy? You mean their export business of Italian foods, and olive oils throughout the world are not a major source of income? Poland must be selling a lot of pierogi internationally.

Jobs, those created by tourism and the related business operations are not coming back. Those jobs, the ones that pay wages, and the people that received them are broke. The real estate developers and owners sitting on empty store fronts are not being paid, supply chains are now broken completely for some industry because middle men companies have gone out of business.

Stick to trolling something you know about, because you clearly dont understand economics in Poland or the effects of COVID on them.

And ugly western Europe imposed sanction on trade with Russia and restrictions on business with China. But guess what. Western Europe isn`t obliged to those sanctions. No, they looks to increase cooperation with China and Russia, while expect central and eastern Europe stop to trade.

This is the main difficulty really. Most people will follow the rules whether it is because they have to legally or because of health reasons but there has to be at least some idea of when the restrictions will begin to relax. This is after all (at least supposed to be) a temporary emergency which will have an end point at some stage but nobody knows when.

In the UK, of course the vaccination process is more advanced but for all the 'data not dates' rhetoric there are actual dates stated even if in theory they are only earliest possible dates. I'm still confident however that in late Spring relaxation will happen and at the very least it will be like last summer. Having a lockdown throughout July and August and expecting people to abide by it would be complete fantasy, even by those who have been generally in support of the restrictions. However a combination of increased vaccinations plus warmer weather should sort out this 'third wave' by the end of the Easter period and things should improve.

Yes. That would be unrealistic. I predicted riots (or a risk of them) when the first lockdown started. If we had a summer lockdown this year, civil unrest, especially in London and the other big cities is a real risk.

In Warsaw, less so, however people would certainly flout the law or at least push the boundaries, and it would be hard to police.

All of this because some bureaucrat used the word "pandemic". Had he called it flu, so many people wouldn't have died from pandemic. They would simply because they were old or in terrible shape or both.

@Novichok
And now, like the flu it is an endemic. Unlike the flu though, shots will be required simply because its a little more contagious and a little more dangerous. Stupid.

The experiment was a success, though. Six billion people were terrorized by six hundred. It's almost entertaining to watch what happens when the evil and maskholosapiens meet.

@PolAM:when are you coming for your jab??? I am getting my Moderna 1st jab tomorrow.

@Cargo pants
I am there April 1 to 10. I am hopeful to get the J & J one jab while there. If not I will get one of the others and get the second jab in June when I return for work purposes. Doesn't look like Poland will get to my age group until late summer if no more problems. Not waiting till then. At least for ten days next month I will be able to go out to eat and relax a little more normally.

Sad - madness in Czech Republic > police brutally arrests father because he does not wear a mask, knocks him to the ground, while his little daughter scream at the scene > very upsetting video >

> youtube.com/watch?v=m8bw_r_i3Ew&t=33s

> b92/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2021&mm=03&dd=12&nav_category=78&nav_id=1825706