Coronavirus in Poland

If the goverment mandated people wear n95/p2 masks or at least tell them the surgical masks are better than the useless cloth masks then i would agree with you johnnyreb, as it is it's pissing in the wind and then complaining that someone else is not doing it

In one experiment, a guy would just stand looking up at nothing. In no time, a dozen people would be standing next to him - looking up nothing.

This is how morons operate. One of them is here.

Then quit looking up stupid !
We still love you though Rich, even if you are an immigrant from Poland that thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and wants to be in charge.


Only a halfwit would make such a stupid statement.
How many people under the age of 24 died of Covid in the U.S. genius ?
My count is almost 800.
Now how could that happen if kids are immune to Covid, genius ?

From swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/

Lethality: According to the latest immunological studies, the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) of covid-19 in the general population is about 0.1% to 0.5% in most countries, which is most closely comparable to the medium influenza pandemics of 1936, 1957 and 1968.

Age profile: The median age of covid deaths is over 80 years in most Western countries (78 in the US) and about 5% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of covid mortality is therefore comparable to normal mortality, but increases it proportionally.

Excess mortality: In most Western countries, the pandemic increased mortality by 5% to 20% in 2020. Up to 30% of the additional deaths were caused not by covid, but by indirect effects of the pandemic and lockdowns (e.g. fewer treatments of cancer and heart attack patients).

Masks: There is still little to no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, and the introduction of mandatory masks couldn't contain or slow the epidemic in most countries. If used improperly, masks may increase the risk of infection.

Lockdowns: In contrast to early border controls, lockdowns have had no significant effect on the pandemic. According to the UN, lockdowns may put the livelihood of 1.6 billion people at acute risk and may push an additional 150 million children into poverty.

What does any of that meaningless dosing have to do with my question genius ?
How many children died in the U.S. from Covid, Rich ?
You know, the ones that smoked and drank booze all their lives ignoring warnings.


You talk like you are Mr. Atlas.....lol
Tell us, how did you get cancer if you are so fit and physically superior to others ?
How much did that cost the America's Medicare system ? Fu*ck em.

Today's numbers (back to normal after long holiday weekend)

percent of positive test results: 9.20 % (of 65,700 tests ... the new normal is clearly less than 10%)

hospital admissions: -1317 (third day of negative numbers and biggest drop I can remember? )

deaths: 453 (probably worked out the last of the long holiday.. probably lower numbers the next few days)

from the previous day*: 7 day moving average of daily deaths: 274 (down 5 from yesterday)

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

@mafketis

Something I have noticed: Although Poland's and Germany's infection rate are relatively similar, it seems that Poland's death rate is more than twice as high per citizen than Germany's. Is there an explanation for this?

Not for sure, but supposedly doctors get extra pay for covid cases and so there's a material incentive to count high (anecdotal stories exist but journalists are not interested in the idea)

There was a recent story from Britain that there's no real evidence that about a third of "covid" fatalities there actually had the virus (much less that it's what killed them).

Are doctors incentivized in Germany (officially or not) to push up the mortality rate and list doubtful cases as covid deaths?

Also the Polish healthcare system was very weak before the crisis (due to successive governments across the political divide starving it of funding for different reasons) so there was much less spare capacity. Before the pandemic the current government had actually told unhappy doctors to leave the country.

There was another story recently that a bunch of doctors are getting ready to leave as soon as they can.

businessinsider.com.pl/wiadomosci/lekarze-chca-wyjezdzac-z-polski-rekordowa-liczba/q6lp88s

I'm sure the current government's response will be to promise more welfare.... (there are more people who will vote extra 'free' money for themselves than doctors).

I am not sure about doctors but I am about hospitals here getting paid more for the covid patients and a lot more if they were on ventilators.

Sunny Saturday numbers (back to normal after long holiday weekend)

percent of positive test results: 7.51 % (of 69,850 tests ... the new normal is clearly less than 10%)

hospital admissions: -961 (fourth day of negative numbers)

deaths: 421 (over 100 less than the last 'normal' Saturday two weeks ago)

from the previous day*: 7 day moving average of daily deaths: 278 (up 4 from yesterday)

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

Well I hope Poland starts opening up again. I heard they open shops but they're still forcing masks to be worn everywhere. Do you still have to wear masks outdoors? I found that so ridiculous when Poland instituted that...

Or in an empty park at 3 a.m.?

Technically.... but more and more people ignore it (and police don't seem to be enforcing it). I wear my mask as little as possible outdoors. Apparently a bunch of doctors tried to tell Niedzielski some weeks ago that they're not necessary but like the PiS hack he is.... he wouldn't budge.

Why do you think hospitals try to stay at 95% capacity with Covid patients. (hint: $$$$$)
Again, it's all about MONEY & Control.
I heard a good one this week.
One of my friends husband just died in the hospital from natural causes.
On the death certificate it said, Covid complications
Not from Covid but from Covid complications.
Can someone explain that one to me ?

If Covid or any other medical issue was a factor in his death (for example hastening it or requiring specific treatment during someone's final illness, the certifying doctor would be obliged legally to include it on a death certificate. At least they would here; this is nothing new, and nothing to do with Covid.

Like many of the inflated death counts used to usher in Chinese Communist style despotism....

What "inflated death counts"? Are tens of thousands of doctors worldwide lying and breaking the law by including Covid as a factor in the deaths of 3 million patients who were Covid-free and entirely unaffected by the virus? Or were they mentioning it because it (or treatments for it) were clinically relevant as a factor in the patients' deaths?

There's a virus, it's killed some people (mostly very old) and hardly dangerous to most people.

Is it worth the political cost?

Read this thread....

twitter.com/george_jazzcat/status/1390696280360431618

That's the question.

The damage to several major economies suggests that the precautions are justified; radical and costly steps are rarely taken lightly.

Anyway, the severity of the restrictions (here in the UK) seems to have paid off, given the huge reduction in cases, hospitalisations and deaths. And nolw, things are re-opening, pubs are back, step-by-step, shops are back open and most (I think) people have at least had the first dose of the immunisation.

So now we have two bootlickers.

It is amazing that people can still say that the virus is harmless even after all this time and even though we can see on Brazil and India what happens when it goes unchecked.

It is.

Sadly, a lack of trust in politicians, skilled media manipulation by people who've figured out a business opportunity (even if it's just making monetised woo videos on youtube), demagogued looking for a platform, a surplus of competing news media looking for stories and an entirely new and largely unchecked means of mass communication (the one that every single one of us reading this is using right now) man that, alas, the delusion is strong.

I suspect that people gasping for air or mourning loved ones in Brazil, India, Nepal etc do not hold those who promote such fantasy in much esteem.

It's amazing that sloppy posters lie to argue with their own creations since nobody is claiming that the virus is harmless. Everything is harmful. Even water.

Harm is a matter of numbers. Liars and panic peddlers avoid those the way Satan shies away from the holy water.

So here are the numbers from India: 174 deaths per million.
Now from Germany: 1014 deaths per million.
How about Brazil: 1961 deaths per million
And Belgium: 2105 deaths per million.
And finally Hungary: 2957 deaths per million.

But, to a German, India is the problem with the mortality rate 6 times lower than in Germany.

I do admit that Germany may be more efficient in burning dead bodies, but that has nothing to do with mortality.

The loss of life and infrastructure (not to mention ecological damage) suggest that the Great Leap Forward was, in fact, justified.


So glad to hear that implicit endorsement of Boris Johnson!

Except, Maf, the Great Leap Forward was planned as part of a strategy. The current crisis however is closer to a clvsterfvck.


I'm happy to endorse him. With indelible marker pen and the phrases 'lying tory cvnt" and 'return to sender'

Lets wait until the pandemic is over until we take the count. In any case, in Germany we were thankfully spared scenes like people suffocating because there was no oxygen left.

The reaction has definitely been that.


So you don't trust politicians either. Glad we have that sorted out.

There was plenty of oxygen in Germany but your death rate is still 6 times higher than India's.
Did Hungary run out of oxygen, too? If so, why didn't help them instead of just watching them die at the rate 3 times yours and 18 times the rate of India?

Not that particular one, given that he's a habitually lying careerist with a repellant (the a is btw correct) set of expressed opinions, the only merits of which being that they change frequently. Fortunately his ability to do damage is somewhat constrained by the system of government, despite him packing the upper house with cranks, loons and oddballs.

The response to Covid however, which thank God was largely led by science, is one thing that the current administration have largely got right, despite there being more that they could do in certain areas (compensation for businesses, support for individuals and a credit holiday for those whose incomes have ceased) and less that they could do in certain other areas (wotsisname handing out dodgy and sleazy contracts to personal friends, Cummings driving hundreds of miles to "test eyesight" during the height of the first lockdown and Johnson's mistress Carrie Symonds (know to staff as Princess Nutnut) spending tens thousands on wallpaper at the No.11 flat since the expensive stuff put up by her was "too middle class".

It can be hard to realize that so much was lost for no good reason.... that's why Nigerian 401 letters are effective when someone bites and sends that first money....

But... for nothing. All the businesses and livelihoods gone.... irreversible damage to young children done..... for nothing.

It was a _really_ bad flu which was no danger to the vast majority of the population kept alive by incompetent responses and former democracies turned into despotic hellpits (see Canada).

I know that's hard to accept and admit.... but it's true.