Coronavirus in Poland

The problem is that no one knows how to do that.... to ramp up early numbers in some places any death within X number of days after a positive test became a covid statistic and so there were people who died of completely unrelated things like traffic accidents or gunshot wounds listed as covid deaths.

On the other hand, past a certain age pretty much everyone has comorbidities (esp since those tend to be undefined and can be anything from 20 lbs overweight to stage 4 lung cancer)...

There are also cases of people with comorbidities that they were handling fine until getting covid (like a former coworker over 70, a bit overweight, known to enjoy tobacco and alcohol but not seemingly healthy enough) Got the vaccine (not sure which one and if one or two shots) came down with it and .... that was all she wrote.

I don't know where to draw the line between from and with and neither does anyone else.

On the other hand, it's pretty obvious the public has been (and is being) lied to which makes most people more suspicious and finally cynical. Cynicism is a healthy response to repeated institutional disrespect - but endemic cynicism does not make a society better to live in....

Whether it is or is not a conspiracy, the fact remains that many small businesses have failed and larger businesses have increased their market share, because they have the resources to not only weather the storm but invest into new models of operation to adapt to this covid business environment.

Not saying it is or isn't a conspiracy , but if it is a conspiracy, do you really think the conspirators are going conspire in the open and not triangulate or not operate furtively and under the cover of some kind of protection? It's kind of in the manual of how to conspire. Conspiracies do and have happened.


Perfect example of how these draconian covid policies have crushed small independent businesses.

Funny how the so-called champions of the little guy on the left seem hell-bent on perpetuating an environment that kills the little guy. We can only pray enough folks wake the hell up.


Damn straight! It leads to hopelessness. You take away hope and you have North Korea.

Yeah it's bullshit... some small business that were already hanging on by a thread are now done for... and forget about the private landlords.. you have people now even selling their homes but then refusing to leave after the closing not just the renters many of whom never lost their jobs or anything but are simply refusing to pay rent because they can. i'd probably do the same if i were a renter especially if i didn't like the land lord

But, on the other hand some of the other industries i work in - business loans, construction, textile equipment, etc. is booming

Not that we are of any help...I don't remember the last time I went to a ma&pa store to buy anything. The smallest were ABT and BB.

well that's the thing i go out of my way to support ma and pa stores whenever i can and i refuse to ever buy anything from walmart... whether it's a family owned gas station, restaurant, clothing store, father and son mechanic, etc. that's where i prefer to spend my dollars and 9/10 times i get way better service and way better quality for the same or even less as a big name competitor

my mechanic for example - i gotta take in the ol' escalade for a tune-up and brake job for the fall/winter season and possibly a new spare to match the 23's just incase... he'll charge me maybe $1-$1.5k for a job that the dealership would've charge $3-$5k and he'll get it done quicker. and unlike the dealership i can walk in anytime, watch my car get lifted, watch them do the work, without some pimply faced 20 year old "parts manager" telling me that im not allowed in the service area...

however, now certain bars and restaurants are basically forcing people to show their vaxx cards or else be refused entry - good, just more businesses that will never get my $$$... **** 'em.

I'd love to open a bar or something and do the opposite and ban people who have received a vaccine from entry, I'd love to see how it'd play out with the shoe on the other foot...

It's one thing when natural market forces affect changes; quite different when artificial forces dictate change. This isn't the theory of creative destruction brought on by innovation, but a mandated restriction on operations.


How many of the companies that are booming are small businesses?

My point isn't all small business sectors are being ruined, but many are and it's not through natural forces of the market, but mandates originating mostly from unelected bureaucrats or, maybe, special interests.

That doesn't point to any conspiracy though, does it...

Just the shortcomings of capitalism, something far from new.

As opposed to the longcomings of centrally controlled "socialism" where meat was out and gone by 9:30 am?

No, on it's own it doesn't. But, the problem is it's not happening on its own but through mandated restrictions that are outside of the market.

And, that is NOT free market capitalism.

Besides, covid mandates are not relegated just to the economy, but it is also effecting personal liberty. The argument for the "common good" is problematic because there is no consensus on whether these mandates are actually benefiting the common good.

It (along with a crap ton of other evidence) does suggest that governments have broadly adopted a new mandate (without informing the citizenry)

Old governmental mission: Provide for the safety (police), education (public education) and health (healthcare) of the population. It's impossible to not notice (unless you have a vested interest in not noticing or are very poor in pattern perception) that western governments are backing off all those in favor of helping liquidize capital so that it can cross borders and be accumulated by an oligarch class.

BLM = defund the police (in direct contradiction to what most poor people want)

covid = no more physical schools and human contact, instead you have bored kids staring at screens (or hundreds of thousands of kids just.... disappearing and now no one knows where they are)

covid = NHS waiting lists are reaching record levels... those who can afford can resort to private care and the rest can get more covid tests and vaccines...

Whatever you're smoking must be good stuff.


Some actual evidence would be good.

Btw, the NHS is what it is. The Scum Party always run it down, just as the other Party (who founded it) always get it back on track. It's still good. Police aren't 'defunded' here, and education is doing fine too, despite the constraints.

Common good - (def.) billions for Zuckerjew who then buys lunch and leaves a bigger tip. Aka "trickle-down" economy.

Imagine the average 75+ year old that still has all of their faculties. They're reading medical reports that state clearly that having the vaccine may shorten their life, and not taking it would be the better option. Then they're told that they effectively can't go out of their home, or shop for food unless they're vaccinated.

If these knaves get their way, anyone over 60 (as soon as they stop work/paying taxes) is gonna be euthanized. Just like the Nazis wanted all along.

That's exactly what I have been saying. If the Climatians and now the Covidians are any indicators, they will convince old geezers like me that it's for our own good.

Wednesday, day 7 of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 0.48 of 41,444 tests

hospitalization: -7 to 300

deaths: 4 (three with comorbidities)

from the previous day*: seven day moving average of daily deaths: down one to 3

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) up 198 to reach 154,557 !!!!

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

And more are coming...Luckily, they didn't try to close the beaches because of waves and sharks but did because of the virus. I guess sand, sun, and the virus are a deadly combination.

I am starting to notice that many people in my surrounding communities are starting to wear their masks again.
Especially in grocery stores.
Once flu season starts in November I will be wearing mine again, too.
Also, I see that since the rise of the virus again that air travel is dropping off again.

"This vaccine is safe and effective, but you need boosters."

What's a booster?

"It's another shot of the vaccine."

Is it different from the first shot?

"No it is the same shot."

So why do I need more if it is so effective?

"Because people with the vaccine keep getting covid."

Okay, so it's not that effective?

"No it is effective, but sometimes it doesn't work, so you need more."

That doesn't make sense.

"Trust the science."

And what about all these people dying from the shots?

"That's normal."

It's normal for medicine to kill people?

"Yes."

But I'm taking this medicine to avoid death.

"No you're taking it to protect others."

Protect them? How?

"Some people can't take the shots, so you need to take it. It is safe and effective."

How will me taking it protect them?

"You will not get the disease and pass it on to them."

But people with the shots ARE passing on the disease.

"Yes, that's why everyone needs the shots."

But you just said some people can't take them!

"Yes, but we're just going to tell everyone to take it anyway no matter what. Safe and effective."

You keep repeating that. It's making me suspicious.

"No it's not. Safe and effective."

Stop that!

"Safe and effective. Safe and effective. Safe and effective."

Okay, you're obviously a moron, paid off, or an evil scumbag. I'm not going to listen to you.

"Whoa, get a load of the science denier over here."

Thursday, day 8 of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 0.56 of 39,662 tests

hospitalization: +13 to 313

deaths: 2 (one with comorbidities)

from the previous day*: seven day moving average of daily deaths: no change at 3

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) up 98(?) to reach 154,615 !!!!

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

I like your dialogs.
There is a method to this madness - confusion and chaos.

Friday, day 9 of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 0.50 of 39,373 tests

hospitalization: -4 to 309

deaths: 6 (four with comorbidities)

from the previous day*: seven day moving average of daily deaths: down one to 2

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) up 50(?) to reach 154,663 !!!!

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

Thanks. But what do you think would happen, presently, to a comedians that have tried to present such a joke on TV or in a cabaret?

In a country devoted to human rights and freedom of speech?

They would run for their lives to Russia and beg to stay.

You know the sad truth is that Covid will NEVER go away even if everyone in the world gets vaccinated.
The vaccines only last 5 or 6 months.
And what did I say right from the get go in March of 2020 in this thread......

polishforums.com/news/poland-coronavirus-85511/21/#msg1730597



There is no stopping it, we have been lied to by our governments and news media's, so we have no choice but to accept the fact that sooner or later YOU will contract it.

I lived through it and you will too if you take care of yourself.......so so what, the measles didn't kill me either.

What are MADITORY vaccinations?

Says who?
Links please.


By who and when?
You are bonkers.....


Really? Or is this just another of your fantasies?

evidence?

follow Alex Berenson on twitter, bearer of unpleasant news....

Friday, day 10 of the fourth wave...

percent of positive test results: 0.46 of 46,087 tests

hospitalization: + 6 to 315

deaths: 2 (both with comorbidities)

from the previous day*: seven day moving average of daily deaths: no change = 2

Currently infected (how ever they happen to calculate that....) up 40(?) to reach 154,703 !!!!

*the source I use is a day behind and I'm too lazy to calculate on my own

Drug makers Pfizer Inc, BioNTech and Moderna Inc are expected to reap billions of dollars from COVID-19 booster shots in a market that could rival the $6 billion in annual sales for flu vaccines for years to come, analysts and healthcare investors say.

Follow the money.

The vaxx death numbers are most likely not even close to the true number. Here is the first data that points towards the real number of vaxx injuries and deaths:

1) One of the top people in Germany who run covid autopsies has found that 30% to 40% of those who died within two weeks after taking the vaxx died from the vaxx. He is not against vaxxing either, has been vaxxed himself.

His colleagues (German Association of Pathologists) are also calling for many more autopsies of people who died a short time after taking a vaxx, but the government refuses.

sott.net/article/456538-Media-blackout-Renowned-German-pathologists-vaccine-autopsy-data-is-shocking-and-being-censored

2) The D-Dimer testing shows that over 60% of those who got the shot develop microscopic bloodclots spread over many organs. This is causing permanent damage, as many of these tissues cannot regenerate. The damage is done because the spike proteins attach themselves to your own cell walls and are then attacked by your own body.

youtu.be/5sIWb9GTbbE