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Coronavirus in Poland



mafketis
20 Nov 2021  #8641

Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that ?

Many people are still stuck in March 2020 (lots of myths about how it spreads and exaggerated importance of 'cases' instead of hospitalizations or deaths) and November 2020 (vaccine, yay, hooray!).

Meanwhile, in the week 12-19 November 31.8 % of infections and 27.2 % of deaths were of fully vaccinated persons...

But still many keep the 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' talking point because I guess it makes them feel safe?

jon357
20 Nov 2021  #8642

Many people

This important thing is where public policy is at. I see a lot of inconsistencies across Europe.

johnny reb
20 Nov 2021  #8643

Even worse how the media is lying to us.
Check this article out.
CBC Called Out For Using Mannequins In Hospital Beds For October Story About How ICUs Work for covid.
The CBC Edmonton was caught red-handed last month using a mannequin in a hospital bed as background footage for a story on how an ICU has been operating during the pandemic.

Even better, the mannequin in what looks like a hospital bed, wasn't even filmed inside of an ICU.
It's called fraud but because it's media they get a pass.
It's no wonder the public is so confused of what is real and what is not.

tradeforprofit.net/2021/11/cbc-called-out-for-using-mannequins-in-hospital-beds-for-october-story-about-how-icus-work/

jon357
20 Nov 2021  #8644

cases

Currently around half a million quarantined in Poland at the moment, and much discussion about what will happen next:
politico.eu/article/poland-coronavirus-infections-covid-pandemic-government-restrictions-adam-niedzielski/

cms neuf
20 Nov 2021  #8645

The vaccination rate for adults in Poland is far higher than the 53 percent in that article. Probably around 70:percent.

PolAmKrakow
20 Nov 2021  #8646

@mafketis
And 72.8 percent of deaths were not vaccinated. So if you are unvaccinated you are 3 times more likely to die if you get it. Pretty solid number.

jon357
20 Nov 2021  #8647

@cms neuf
About 60% according to this, which is positive; it shows that the take-up is increasing. Hopefully there will be many more before the winter is over.

statista.com/statistics/1195243/number-of-vaccinations-performed-against-covid-19/

johnny reb
20 Nov 2021  #8648

Just great, first it was our medical personnel they weakened and now it's our military !
Now they are destroying even more military careers by using covid as an excuse.
The Army is to begin forcing out Soldiers who refuse COVID Vaccine, including Guardsmen.
Soldiers who refuse to get the COVID vaccine and have not requested an exemption will no longer be allowed to re enlist or be promoted, effectively ending their military careers just like they did with our nurses.

The new directive applies to active duty troops as well as reservists and National Guardsmen, including those serving in states whose governors do not require the vaccine.

Troops' service records will be flagged the day they make their final vaccine refusal, which follows a meeting with a medical professional and a second order to get vaccinated.

This flag will bar them from being promoted, re enlisting, continuing to receive enlistment bonuses, attending service related schools, or receiving tuition assistance.
God save us from these Bolsheviks !

amiga500
20 Nov 2021  #8649

Pretty solid number.

The antibody and t/b cell studies in the astra vaccine showed that either spacing the dose by six months or having a third dose after six+ months gives vastly improved immunity. Non of this yearly booster nonsense but having a third shot that is normal in many other vaccines. would improve in the results of the vaxxed ending up in hospital.

PolAmKrakow
20 Nov 2021  #8650

@amiga500
An unlikely voice of reason lol

Novichok
20 Nov 2021  #8651

This flag will bar them from being promoted, re enlisting,

China's wildest dreams were less optimistic. White man's stupidity is boundless...

The last couple of days have already been good for the soul...Now this:

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - Police opened fire on protesters in rioting that erupted in downtown Rotterdam around a demonstration against COVID-19 restrictions late Friday night. The Dutch city's mayor called it "an orgy of violence."

Ok, boys and girls, this is what we call "democracy" and add "with the consent of the people" to the term to make it sound better. Class dismissed.

To the moron mayor: If you don't screw with the people, they will not riot. After all, it's Europe, not America where riots are just another way to shop for shiny objects without paying.

pawian
20 Nov 2021  #8652

Police opened fire on protesters in rioting that erupted

Rioting is a key word here. Hudlums, especially local soccer club psycho fans, tried to test the police`s determination. And got the reply.

If you don't screw with the people, they will not riot

You should also apply this rule to the situation in the USA where people took to streets to protest against the police`s violence. :):) But I know you won`t as a hypocrite.

jon357
20 Nov 2021  #8653

local soccer club psycho fans

Football hooligans were at the heart of it, as well as political extremists from both sides.

cms neuf
20 Nov 2021  #8654

So Amiga i will get my third shot but i will bet you a bottle of Aussie wine that by June next year a 4th shot will be required to be able to travel in the EU

pawian
20 Nov 2021  #8655

God save us from these Bolsheviks !

Exactly. Down with PiS !!!

mafketis
20 Nov 2021  #8656

t by June next year a 4th shot will be required to be able to travel in the EU

And the pharma apologists will be there to defend the 5th, 6th and 7th shots as well.....

Novichok
20 Nov 2021  #8657

And the pharma apologists will be there to defend the 5th, 6th...

...and to tell us here what they always do to justify the ruling swamp: Learn to live with it...

...regardless if it is about lockdowns, vaccines, mandates, or the hordes.

Opposing the swamp and their Gestapo is not in their DNA.

amiga500
20 Nov 2021  #8658

next year a 4th shot will be required to be able to travel in the EU

The problem of the waning immunity in at risk groups is a mainly a problem with the pfizer and moderna three week spacing of the doses, which is not enough time to develop a robust immune response. The U.K made the right decision in spacing out the astra dose to three months. A third dose 8-12 months after the second should do the trick for immunity in the elderly and risk cases. I don't think the EU, unlike some other countries is totally goose stepping along with big pharma. the previously infected with Covid element in the EU covid pass, which is missing in the USA and Australian passes is proof of that.

jon357
20 Nov 2021  #8659

I'm doing my third at the end of Dec, 5 months after the first and hopefully that will do.

Deciding on spacing and dates isn't easy. It involves new data and also the logistics of delivering the shot to so many people. One th8ng I like about the UK's approach is that it's given at NHS centres only with no queue jumping on the basis of paying privately.

amiga500
20 Nov 2021  #8660

One th8ng I like about the UK's approach is that it's given at NHS centres only

In Australia it's all goverment run, but they are going all out, pharmacies, hardware stores, beaches, football games etc, we are going to hit 90 percent in january.

cms neuf
20 Nov 2021  #8661

Right so two doses are not enough but they are making two doses mandatory.

Bit of a head scratcher ?

amiga500
20 Nov 2021  #8662

Right so two doses are not enough

I didin't say two doses are not enough, obviously for the elderly or those with immune systems not up to scratch then a thrd dose is prefarable. For most of us two doses is enough , however we are talking about stats and the general population and hospital rates here so a general recomendation must be made

jon357
20 Nov 2021  #8663

we are going to hit 90 percent in january.

That's good. In the U.K. they're using stadiums too, and in smaller towns some pharmacies. I had it done in a semi-vacant office block that they'd rented. Took a few minutes both times from arriving to leaving.

Bit of a head scratcher

A bit of something very new. Literally trial and error, and a matter where we can't grouse about a lack of perfection.

johnny reb
20 Nov 2021  #8664

I'm waiting for the new vaccine to come out next year that makes you totally immune to Covid.

Miloslaw
20 Nov 2021  #8665

Keep waiting country boy 'cos it is never going to happen.

Alien
21 Nov 2021  #8666

@johnny reb; totally immune...
It is not possible, this virus mutates. We will need one shot every year.

PolAmKrakow
21 Nov 2021  #8667

@johnny reb
I am looking for a booster shot with nanotubes, nanobots, and microchips that can turn me into a bionic super spreader. I am hopeful that when Trump is re-elected, or takes back the presidency of Poland that he can warp speed the nanotube process. Prime Minister Pence can handle the crisis with Belarus, and Betsy Devos can negotiate with the EU for recovery funds.

Oh wait. Sorry I am confused. Poland is not the USA and the USA is not Poland.

Meanwhile here in Poland, we are hearing a lot more about restrictions being imposed in Czech and Slovakia which could be a sign of what may come in Poland. Really though, nothing will stop Christmas markets in Poland this year, and Krakow opens next weekend. I will be there without my mask, drinking hot wine and eating kielbasa on Planty.

Korvinus
21 Nov 2021  #8668

Your table refers to redness at injection sites

86% of children in the Pfizer study suffering from adverse reactions up to and including death. Oh wait that it was normal because it shows your immune system is working.

Looks like you got your Compliance-Booster and now want to drag everyone else down with your bad life decisions.

This is exactly why provaxxers are so aggressive towards the unvaxxed.
They themselves aren't 100% sure they made the right choice, and now it's irreversible, so all they have left is to selfvalidate forever and project their own doubts.

amiga500
21 Nov 2021  #8669

It is not possible, this virus mutates.

No the virus has not got anywhere to mutate, apart from being less harmfull like the flu. in a year or so the pandemic will be over.

mafketis
21 Nov 2021  #8670

today's numbers

28.0 % percent of 67,381 tests

hospitalized: 16,733

ICU: 1487

daily deaths: 41 (30 with co-morbidities)

7 day average deaths: 280


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