Coronavirus in Poland

But those numbers are impossible to achieve

The vaccine starts to fade after 110 days
So you 15 weeks of full protection
So to hit your 95 percent of adults you will need to vaccinate 250.000 every single day including weekends and assuming no holidays for the vaccine staff.

You would need vials and needles, nurses taken away from other jobs just to vaccinate. Huge logistics problems

Covid policy cannot fail. It can only be failed.

First, it was 70%. Then, 75, Then 80, Then 85. Then 90, Now, 95. A week from now - 100.


Life is a bi*tch. Learn to live with her.

Yes - and failure to achieve impossible targets will be blamed on someone - the young, the unvaccinated, Facebook, immigrants or whoever.

The way this issue has changed democracies into near autocracies in 18 months is amazing.

A perfect point that I have been making here from the day I signed up - the point that Western "democracies" are one big fat lie perpetrated on the naive and no better than the commies. At least the commies were honest.

True, which is why we will have to live with the virus, which includes masks and vaccination. We simply don't know how the virus will develop.

Before you blame people for previous estimates, please remember that they were unaware how the virus would mutate. Perhaps a vaccination rate of 70 or 80% would have sufficed with the original virus, but the Delta Variant is several times more infectious.


That view was stupid and wrong in the 1960s and it remains even more so today

Germany has entered a "nationwide state of emergency" because of surging coronavirus infections, the head of the country's disease control agency said Friday.
Lothar Wieler, the head of the Robert Koch Institute, said regular medical care cannot be guaranteed anymore in some parts of Germany because hospitals and intensive care wards are overstretched.

I know it's an old fashioned idea but maybe people could vote on masks and vaccine mandates. Then we can decide how we live with the problem. I see they are talking about a full lockdown in Germany again - was this discussed when they had an election a few weeks ago ?

And scientists do have to take some responsibility for previous estimates if they want people to listen to them next time.

No, because it did not look like we would need one. Some experts did bring that possibility up, but were ignored or insulted as fear-mongers.


They do, but it is not like they were wrong based on the information they had when they made those predictions.

Austria today became the first country in Europe to say it would mandate that its whole population be vaccinated against coronavirus as it re-imposed a nationwide lockdown to battle a surge in cases.

Everyone will be required to be vaccinated from coronavirus as of February.
The new lockdown will begin Monday.

No, it was not wrong then and is wrong now.

Commies didn't let us leave Poland. The Australian covid Gestapo wouldn't let the subjects leave their homes. See the difference?

Yes, I know, for their own good and because covid Gestapo loves them.


Their fathers would mandate that all Auschwitz tenants be tattooed with serial numbers.

Schallenberg said that introducing the new measures in Austria was not an "easy decision" but it was based on infection levels and "to protect all of us."

He said that the restrictions were an "enormous" thing to ask of the vaccinated population, but that too many people had "showed a lack of solidarity."

It is astonishing how you manage to descend to one moral low after another. Once Austria starts to imprison people without charge, puts them into torture prisons and murder dozens of them you might have a point, but now this comparison is ludicrous.

Out of curiosity, do you think that there was no difference between Nazi Germany and the USA in the 1930s and 1940s? The USA after all did heavily discriminate against Black Americans and put its' citizen of Japanese descent into camps... .

Let's stay on topic here guys.

It might not be appropriate to compare the Austrian lockdown to the Nazis, but it has a lot of similarity with martial law in 1981 in terms of the restrictions and the arbitrary use of power.

I don't care what we call it - democracy or fascism. Once I am not allowed to leave my house I am a prisoner under house arrest. This time because of covid. Now, the bastards know that the sheep won't resist even if this leads to their financial ruin. The great lesson from Covid-19...

What are they hiding now ?
The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine.

That is not a typo.
It wants 55 years to produce this information to the public.
I find this extremely strange since they claim the covid vaccine is so safe.

Democracy vs communism - and nobody asked the inmates how they feel. After covid-19, the ruling mob can justify whatever they want by covid-22, covid-23, flu, solar activity, global warming, air pollution, acid rain...and I am just scratching the surface...


I thought that the first attribute of democracy is transparency and accountability. Hmm...I guess I was wrong.

How is it arbitrary? Never mind that no one is currently in danger of getting thrown into prison for breaking those restrictions.

For example

A vaccine is ok but a negative test is not.

You can buy clothes in a supermarket but not in a clothes shop

You can buy beer in a gas station but not in a pub

You can go to church but not to a cafe

The textbook definition of arbitrary - no logic and no accountability.

As arbitrary as 6 feet. Why not 4 or 8? Have you seen any tests to justify those 6 feet? How about masks? Have you seen any numbers to justify why a fully vaccinated person still needs a mask? If so, what is the difference in the risk of infecting another person if I am wearing a mask vs if I am not?

The best you got is "from an overabundance of caution" - a line straight from somebody's rectum.


The difference is in the extent and the nature of the means of control but the mechanism and the "authority" are the same.


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A "democratic" Australia in 2021 and a "communist" Poland in 1981...the same restrictions and the same enforcement. How could it be?

Not funny...From dailymail.com:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10223105/Police-fire-warning-shots-protesters-Rotterdam-tensions-boil-new-Covid-restrictions.html

The above graph shows the Covid infection rate per million people for western European countries from November last year.
It reveals that Sweden currently has the lowest infection rate in the region

Yeap. The country that oppressed its people the least and let them develop their natural immunity has a lower infection rate than the ex-NAZIs.

This is so cool...

Hmm...."patient zero" seems to be a merchant from that animal market in Wuhan!

The first case of COVID-19 identified in Wuhan, China and presented as such by the World Health Organization was actually days later than previously believed and at an animal market, a top scientist said in the journal Science Thursday.

cbsnews.com/news/origin-covid-19-us-scientist-patient-zero-wuhan-china-evidence-market/

But if it's not some leaked super secret laboratorium project why the heck plays China such a stupid game with the world?

PS: Crazy situation in Germany....more and more people getting their second and even third shots but the infections are still rising enormously....so the connection between vaccinations and health is not really that clear....it doesn't look like as if vaccinations are the ultimate weapon to defeat that virus....or at least THESE actual available vaccinations are not that good....I better wait a bit longer!

These actual available vaccinations are good but .... not for "delta variante". They are simply to old. We need some new vaccinations.

today's numbers

24.5 percent of 95,486

hospitalized: 16,480

ICU: 1423

daily deaths: 382 (270 with co-morbidities)

7 day average deaths: 263

In my case,I care less.Today as I reach States I am going straight to any Pharmacy/Walmart/Costco from airport to get my third booster shot.

I hated math in school, but I am starting to think that we ought to teach it more, particulary probability and how to read statistics... we would not be in this situation if everyone knew how to properly calculate risks.

The main problem are not the vaccines. They don't provide 100% safety, but with boosters they provide great protection. The main problem is that we currently have a Delta variant that is 6 times more infectious than the base variant (which was already very bad) ripping through the unvaccinated.

@Cargo pants
I am with you. I am 30 days behind you, but I am going right from the airport to pharmacy.

You are so right.....still un-vaccinated and still without any virus in my body! I'm the poster boy for properly calculated risks! :)

Would more people do it like me we wouldn't have a pandemia....so....*ducks and runs*

Its ripping through the vaccinated too. Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that ?

one effect of that is that it will alter the timings for the booster roll out since you have to wait after being infected to get a booster.

So there is a chance that if you were double vaxxed then got covid you will have to wait for your boosters and not be able to receive your covid private health information document, which people have the nerve to call a "passport" in the meantime.