Coronavirus in Poland

@jon357
In all fairness there is also the likelihood that mutations become more and more mild. This is like trying to hit a speeding bullet with another speeding bullet.

@PolAmKrakow
Let's hope so. It's good news that this one doesn't seem as bad as first thought. Hopefully we can contain it as well as possible so it doesn't put stress on the health service and monitor it to ensure it doesn't mutate into something nastier.

The UK government said today that they may reduce the travel restrictions very soon which is also good news. I also notice that some schools here have gone 'zdalne' which is not such good news.

No, it is not. If you fart in a room, disgusting but harmless, do you care how fast it spreads? The perfect "pandemic" would be mild and spread vary fast. Then we all would get it, cough for a day, and the virus Gestapo would not have the time to ruin the economy, our lives, and jab us over and over...

Got it?

We're talking about an illness that has killed 5.5 million people so far (including family members of people here), one that has damaged economies, messed up people's lives and education, harmed people's mental and physical health. destroyed careers and people's businesses, could yet mutate to a worse variant, and which is expected to be with us for longer than you will.

So that is a particularly silly analogy.

A pointless wiseguy post as usual from you. Saying something for the sake of saying something, a kind of ADHD trolling.
You should learn to shut up.

Bullsh*it! All the things you mentioned were caused by the covid Gestapo's lockdowns, not the virus.
The 5.5 million deaths - many with not from the virus - on a planet with 7 billion is not even 0.1%. Pandemic my rear end. Of the 5.5 million, half were old and sick from their chosen lifestyle and would die anyway not much later.

We don't know how to "save" lives. We only postpone death. The virus just sped up the process.
Did you know that 1% die every year - virus or no virus? That's 70 million people! In the US alone, 3 million a year. 0.1% - BFD!

You don't learn, do you.


I'll listen to the actual scientists, the public health doctors, the analysts, not some retired factory worker with verbal diarrhoea.

Have to agree with Rich on this one. The medical records support the argument of "with" and not "from". People create economic disasters, virus can not.

I'd say it's both to one degree or another. It's all the same thgough when the hospitals are full of expiring people.

@jon357
"when the hospitals are full" and this is the key statement once again. Hospitals are not prepared for mass casualty or mass illness events. This is not the fault of the public who are vaxed or not vaxed, this is the fault of governments and for profit hospitals who do not invest in their own infrastructure. Again people creating the problems with a lack of preparedness.

That is neither right or left, but simply a fact of life. The Chinese built a massive hospital in weeks to take care of its citizens. Anyone else done this? Yes I blame them too, but the worker bees got it done. Where is western society on this? Spend the money on researching vaccines instead of treating patients. The priorities are completely F'd.

When you say 'our' are you talking about the USA or Poland?

What could possibly go wrong?

Never mind, trust the science.



How much will it cost to vaccinate yourself from the vaccine?

50$ a week payment plan to continue living without heart problems.

today's numbers

23.2 % percent of 107,666 (finally starting to fall after the peak?)

hospitalized : +273 to 23,706

ICU: +17 to 2070

daily deaths: 571 (423 with co-morbidities)

7 day average deaths: +9 to 386

Health Minister Adam Niedzielski pointed out Monday that of the 1,085 people under 44 who died with covid-19 so far this year in Poland, only 3% were fully vaccinated.

Clearly vaccines are keeping people from dying. And clearly there is a small amount who will die anyway.

READ closely PolAm...... see word "WITH" instead of "because of" ?


Now that is a fact which does not relate to the Health Ministers propaganda.

It was done in the UK, even a little overkill since they made too many Nightingale hospitals. Poland wouldn't be able to do the same, nor were the Nightingale Hospitals cheap or easy.

It's understandable that they don't want to repeat this.

...all of them getting up every morning and thinking ...hmm...how can I milk this bs some more before the sheep removes the wool from their eyes and refuses to buy the bs I have been selling so far.

You mean those scientists, doctors, and analysts who came up with those 6 feet?

Why don't ask them to show the worksheet that has 6 at the bottom and post it here? Make sure it doesn't show the body part we are required to cover.

The sole reason why vaccination is being taken so seriously.

It's such a basic thing that it shouldn't need to be compulsory, however it's only practical that it is.

Rather than 44 (which was very small even before the vaccine was introduced) I would be interested to see the number of 55-60 year olds who died who were fully vaxxed - I am guessing 15-20 percent of the deaths ?

Poland. Why would I be talking about US?

@cms neuf
Do some research. I doubt your guess would be supported. Not even a whisper of numbers like that and we would know because that age group of 55 to 60 is the core of disposable income. When that demographic disappears, spending pattern's change.

Hot numbers, deaths from sep 1 to dec 7

vaccinated: 3 096 [27,07%]
~COVID-19 alone: 545
~comorbidities: 2 325
~reduced immunity: 226

unvaccinated: 8 340 [72,93%]
~COVID-19 alone: 2 503
~ccomorbidities: 5 837

for 'middle aged' (not defined) we have:

77 - vaccinated
76 - unvaccinated

sources (both using government numbers)

twitter.com/UrbanskiFilip

twitter.com/synxchaosu

There are a few posters based in America who post constantly in this thread about what's going on there without always specifying that they mean the USA.


Thanks very much for those Maf.

For the better. Their kids will blow the inherited wealth in a week. OK, two weeks...

Very clear stats to support vaccine rollout.

...to support, not demand. I support not consuming sugar, not criminalizing it.

While
"77 - vaccinated
76 - unvaccinated"

not so much... and 27 % of deaths being fully vaccinated also seems like a kind of.... crappy figure. As vaccines they are basically maybe 3- (on the Polish scale).

That's among one demographic remember.

A coin toss produces exactly the same result.

How many trillions did we spend on this achievement?

So it seems PolAm that my guess was too low - somewhere between 20 and 27 percent of late middle age deaths are in vaccinated people.

Which is going to end up as a big number, maybe 15-20k people before spring.

We must hear more about raising peoples baseline health - in 2 years plenty could have been done to educate people about blood pressure and blood sugar.

The numbers show that there are five times the number of deaths FROM Covid without vaccine. Thats what the numbers show. Underlying conditions are probably balanced in all groups given the terrible physical condition of society in general. But numbers can lie just like accountants. So until I start seeing bodies of healthy people piling up in the street I still believe getting the jab, wearing a mask and all the other BS should be a matter of personal choice and informed decision making. Survival of not only the fittest, but the smartest. And in the end this is all society needs anyway.