Coronavirus in Poland

If yours locked the schools they were lying. Not every lie is verbal.

Of course they were.


Just go to the beginning of this thread and read them for yourself.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Remember the lie where they claimed that the vaccines would prevent you from getting covid ?
I do.
It's all about population reduction of the old and useless in my opinion.

Covid is not primarily spread through surfaces, the majority of transmission is by inhalation of respiratory particles.
For example, if you have a conversation with someone with covid and the particles travel from their mouth through the air into your own mouth.

I predict in the near future the new covid booster vaccines will be much different than they are now with the mRNA's that alter your gene make up.

Don't be silly.


I remember the endless conspiracy theories and fake news around the pandemic, much the same with the tripe about 5g. Around vaccination and public health measures, there's heavy input from political types in America, dog-whistling to their supporters.

There were even people on here coming out with all orts of woo about 'nanobots' and 'ivermectin'.

In Poland and the UK however, we have a more rational and less emotional attitude, hence the healthy trake-up rate for baccines generally.


Bye bye.

Instead of insults why don't you ever post something constructive to the thread.


Called bootlickers
Meanwhile some constructive news.
One of our best Covid-19 treatments doesn't work anymore. What now ?

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Promoting conspiracies - and you do just that - about COVID-19 and vaccinations, helps spread vaccine-scepticism. This results in children dying due to the irresponsible behaviour of gullible parents.

Try to be constructive and a little less evil.

@jon357
While JR may be overzealous at times, these vaccines are not completely trustworthy. They certainly are not proven over time like other vaccines. So, being skeptical is not only healthy but wise. It is clear that no government can be trusted blindly and those that do usually end up being disappointed. The COVID vaccines effectiveness is not something to brag about, and the many reported side effects are clearly worthy of investigating. Claiming that "children dying" is irresponsible and not a strong argument since very few children died from this virus.

Oh oh pushing your personal beliefs on someone and making a moral judgement, when in another thread you stated one should never do that?
Instead of moralising and pontificating how about doing some listening to one of your MP in your parliament?
youtube.com/watch?v=-MSKzoI72eU

Not 'my' MP.

And not a Polish one either.

I never watch videos, however at a guess, I'd say the film is of Andrew Bridgen, an infamous crank, the only realcovidiot among the whole 650.

To repeat, promoting COVID conspiracies or anything else that undermines trust in public health, especially so-called vaccine scepticism is evil.

It has led to deaths, particularly child deaths among the unvaccinated.

This is neither a 'personal belief' nor your silly term 'pontificating'. It is the accepted view among the majority of health professionals.

Fortunately in Poland, as in the UK, they're is a good general take-up of immunisation and this has been the case for many years.

Rubbish, as a rule kids are not at risk from serious illness or death from covid, but are from cardiac events from mrna vaccines, i think the current stat is one in 80 children vaxxed has a serious adverse event.


That's as dumb as saying spreading news of migrant rapes and violence undermines our trust in open borders and multicultural societies and thus should be supressed.

@jon357
A conspiracy takes a concerted effort by an organized group. A conspiracy does not exist when multiple independent and credible people and organizations are saying the same things. Even the left wing news has reported that children are more or less safe and do not need the vaccine, they have also reported on the adverse reactions children have had to the vaccine. That removes any question of conspiracy. WTF is the problem with a real debate on the facts instead of following all the other sheep? Vaccinated twice and had COVID twice. Not sold on any government claims based on first hand experience.

Did you think that the vaccine scepticism pushed by anti vaxxers started or ended with COVID?


They aren't though, are they...

And they're certainly not flooding the internet with it.


Don't you trust public health officials?

Thanks guys for your support.


Any credible sources to support that 'conspiracy' ?


This meltdown of yours over the vaccine was merely started to provoke with and now it has come back to sush you.


You mean like the liar Fauci who is responsible for 7 million deaths caused by covid ?
He will be convicted for lying to congress concerning covid development.
You banged on for FOUR YEARS about Russian collusion only to find out you were WRONG joun and have never admitted you were wrong just like you are on this covid topic.

I am all for the vaccine for anyone that has a weak immune system or underlying health issues.
The vaccine is a greater health risk to healthy people than covid is.
And giving it to children that are at the lowest risk is nothing short of child abuse.

It isn't a conspiracy now, is it....

Don't you follow the media on the effects of vaccine scepticism?


Grow up, if you still have time.

[quote=johnny reb]Fauci
[quote]He's American. This is Poland. And no, the head of teh American CDC won't be prosecuted.

Nobody is promoting "conspiracies". We are claiming mindless sheep syndrome and the risks of not being a sheep - loss of standing among "peers" and, being banned from social media and, eventually, loss of job. We all remember those 99% of scientists crap. Following and agreeing is survival to these scumbags. That's a conspiracy of not rocking the boat. See global warming and, now, after the exposure, climate change.

BTW, FYI, every single time when I was in an examination room with a doctor I would ask if I could take "this stupid mask off". Every single time, the answer was "sure". So much for masks...

So, do you think you know more than them?


Do you disagree with the health advice given by the Polish government around Covid?

If you mean their advice that I should wear a mask in my car even with no passengers ?

Yes I disagree with that

If you mean their advice that I cannot ride a bike or go jogging in an empty forest and the fine could be 30.000 zloty ?

yes I disagree with that

If you mean their advice that I cannot see my doctor to get an EKG

Yes I disagree with that

Could provide a hundred examples of dumb advice from sanepid. And it's not with the benefit of hindsight - it was obviously dumb at the time.

I've never heard that one.


indeed; though why do you think they introduced such a rule?


Not so 'dumb' if you think laterally about it...

@jon357
No I do not trust public health officials or any other person in a politically appointed position. Because they have the position firstly based on their political affiliation and not on their qualifications. Many experts do not get these positions because they are politically based and not based on the merits of their level of expertise. Anyone who blindly follows any political appointee is a fool.

Yes, many credible organizations have questioned not only the vaccines, but the administering of those to children who are largely not affected. Flooding the internet with information is not what experts do, it is what media does. Papers and opinions of experts are not promoted by those experts, they simply give and publish their opinion. It is the media that is responsible for which opinions they promote. It is the media that helped create mass hysteria over COVID. It is the media and uneducated politicians who shut the world down for two years killing the economy with lockdowns that are proven statistically to be ineffective. Experts have said that the lockdowns were not effective or necessary now. Florida proved everyone wrong. Sheep follow while intelligent people question and investigate to form their own opinion.

I do. They are tasked with taking care of the health of the nation.

Perhaps it's in very large part to do with the political culture of the country you come from and the cynicism caused there by the illusion the internet creates that the voice of a layperson is equal to that of a doctor. Fortunately in Europe, we do it better.


With hindsight. At the time, the priority of any responsible government was to prevent essential services breaking down.


Intelligent people follow the law; the consequences of not doing so can be negative for them.

@jon357
No Jon they are tasked with implementing the administration's policy. They can do nothing without the OK of the top political elected official. Do you really think the last two Polish Sanepid bosses were not told what to do by PiS officialls? Do you really believe that PiS wan't simply following the US political appointee guidance? They have even said as much. I have been in Poland for the last four years straight, and Poland is just as fvcked politically as the US.

The responsible government would be prepared for these for these emergencies, not unprepared like they were and not forcing citizens to pay for the governments lack of preparedness. Again the governments have said they were not prepared. So we have to pay for it? Thats bull$hit. If governments prepared and did their jobs, no lockdowns would have happened. But they want to worry about which cousin gets the next road building or pig farming contract.

Intelligent people question everything about the government. Failing to question and act on those questions leaves you in Russia.

No, the Chief Medical Officer of Health is a Doctor and independent.

Indeed holders of that role frequently clash with elected politicians


The responsible Labour government were. As you may know, the Tory scum scrapped the contingency plans a year or so before to save money since right-wingers are always trying to receive tax and scrap public spending.

About the Polish response, as in Poland in general, we are not talking about responsible adults.


In Poland perhaps.

You can't be talking about Fauci who killed 7 million people with misinformation can you ?
He will eventually be found guilty.


Actually the large part comes from the facts about covid world wide.


Bootlickers follow the law as we have seen with covid and look at how many deaths from blood clots in the lungs, heart attacks, strokes linked to the EXPERIMANTAL vaccine that alters DNA has been linked to, how many businesses were lost, how many suicides that it caused from depression, how much taxpayers money that was misappropriated and stolen, how it ruined the worlds economy with shut downs, how it rendered our students brain dead, and we still have no idea what the aftereffects will be from these vaccines.

Entertain the facts joun instead of trying to control the narrative with your opinions.
The intelligent people start thinking for themselves when they see what a cluster F all these "CONTROL" laws have caused.
First time is shame on you, second time is shame on me.

What grounds are you pretending exist to prosecute him?

That sounds as silly as 'pizzagate' and your so-called 'Clinton body count'. trumpet will be jailed. He won't

Vaccination is probably the greatest gunman advance in healthcare. Perhaps you'd prefer that people die of preventable diseases?

So many conspiriturds pretend they know more about health than the doctors

@jon357
You are talking about the UK. I am talking about Poland. I have zero concern about the UK, and it has no business being discussed here.

Good, because Covid measures worked there, as they also worked well in Poland. Regarding Poland, there is a very obvious reason why some of the measures were very full on; it should be obvious why.


Really? There are plenty of posts about America which is far further away geographically, politically, culturally and in terms of public health policy and medical culture.

Nevertheless, I shall take on board your plea and remind others of it when they start posting about the CDC or Dr Fauci.

@jon357
The USA is relevant to Poland since Poland said it was following Fauci and the US recommendations on several occasions. If not for those people saying they are following the US guidance I would agree it should not be mentioned. Poland now though seems to have gotten wiser and is not supplying vaccines, nor is recommending them for children. COVID simply needs to run its course like the Spanish flu did, and the Spanish flu was much worse than COVID.

So now you are deflecting to bury my post with another of your opinions that the vaccine makes covid preventable disease lie ?
Fauci even finally manned up to that lie.


Lying to Congress for openers.
Want to entertain that FACT, jon ?


Like the facts in my last post that seemed to stymie you to the point you had to change the subject with yet another deflect.

Even worse than covid...Bootlickitis is incurable.

Europe is far more relevant since Poland has land borders with other European countries and of course there is far more travel within Europe than across the Atlantic.

Of course, faced with a pandemic where the ultimate effects were unknown, an international effort was required and of course the World Health organisation had a role to play.


It is very easy to say that (or quite frankly anything else) with the hindsight that nobody had at the start of the pandemic. It was much harder to implement measures to prevent hospitals being swamped and to prevent food supply chains breaking down.

And fortunately Poland has a very good vaccinne take up rate, not just for Covid but also for other preventable diseases.

Do they......
New documents reveal how the United States government used a secret Twitter portal to censor COVID-19 content that contradicted the government's narrative

ussanews.com/2022/12/16/documents-reveal-secret-twitter-portal-us-government-used-to-censor-covid-19-content/