Coronavirus in Poland

Well, doubts might be well-grounded but there is a major difference: flu comes to a standstill in summer while covid patients still die.

So there's no real reason to expect a second wave in the fall.... if it's indifferent to weather then it could burn itself out by September...

Did Szumowski jump or was he pushed? The comments by him and Morawiecki suggest long term bad blood and being forced from office... very curious.....

I wouldn't have thought so either, unless it's due to the effects of easing lockdowns. For many countries the numbers are creeping back up again.

Probably there will be more hospital admissions once the colder weather sets in as there will be seasonal flu cases to deal with too.........but I don't think this virus will burn itself out by September. Nice thought but I think this is going to be around for a while now.

BTW, thanks for posting the Swiss doctor link. Working my way through it as there's lots of information in there.

'What happens if we can't produce a viable Covid-19 vaccine?'

Here's a very interesting article, a five minute read and well worth it.

One take away from it is that studies of Covid-19 show that, even in hot spots where there have been large numbers of cases and deaths in the last few months, less than 10% of the population show evidence of an immune response from the infection.

No, Maf, it won't be gone by September and yes, it will get worse over the winter months.

You forgot to post the link Atch!


Initially I thought the same, but given that this virus is just as active in warm/hot weather, I can't see why the colder weather should make a difference.

Woops!! Thanks Chemikiem :))

rte.ie/brainstorm/2020/0818/1159757-covid-19-vaccine-living-with-coronavirus/


I suppose because people's immune systems are more compromised in winter and we're more vulnerable to catching things.

For the 34,817th time....

The purpose of a lockdown was never to stop the virus (essentially impossible) but to give the medical system time to prepare for what looked like it would be a really severe test (back in march it seemed that thousands of ventilators would be needed and that the virus was super-contagious). Neither of those horrible scenarios turned out to be true (which is a good thing, a very good thing).

Then, unless you're the government of China that deals with contagious disease much the way that humans deal with diseased livestock, the virus is going to have to run its course with individuals taking particular precautions and special measures taken for the most vulnerable (in this case: those in care homes).

Somehow along the way the completely erroneous idea that lockdowns could somehow stop the virus took hold and gained a life of its own and it's doing tremendous damage to the economic and social fabric.... and fvkk-all has been done to protect people in care homes (that I'm aware of...).

For all of humanity's accomplishments there's still no way to contain a virus short of draconian evil measures that I'm sure no one here wants.... a virus is going to virus until it mutates into a more or less harmless form or it burns itself out.

Daily numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 17, age range 37-90, average age 71

Hospitalizations (running total) up 40 to 2097...

Respirators in use, up 1 to 83

Cured (daily total) 456 around 60 % the number of new cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 26 times more cured cases than fatalities.

In the last few weeks there's been a pattern where numbers go down for the weekend then surge back up in the middle of the week and then back down on the weekend. This suggests that reporting is getting more.... clumped. Of course there's always been a lag between things happening and being reported but this weekly cycle is kind of new and suggests that data is being collected less regularly...

Can covid people also suffer from common cold? Then they will spread the virus more often in winter than in summer.

"Covid people" (great term btw, I'll start using it instead of corona-cultists) already suffer from mass-media delusion and paranoia and now you're wishing them to have common cold as well? :-)

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That sarcasm of yours is unprecedentedly malicious.
haha

FBI released a copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion today due to a FISA request.
I skimmed over it and saw this:



Sound familiar?

Daily numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 12, age range 46-92, average age 79

Hospitalizations (running total) up 13 to 2110...

Respirators in use, up 2 to 85

Cured (daily total) 382 just shy of 50 % the number of new cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 31 times more cured cases than fatalities.

Phase three of the vaccine could be a true dilemma.
Phase 1 is little more than a safety trial of 50 or so people to make sure the vaccine doesn't make folks horribly ill.
Phase 2 uses a few more people, but it is still little more than checking to be sure the vaccine's components are not broken down in the body before they can do anything useful.

Phase 3 is where things get sketchy.
Thousands of people are injected and released into the wild.
The goal is for those injected to be confronted by the virus so that we know if:

A) the inoculated don't get sick at all,

B) they get sick but cannot spread the virus,

C) they do not get sick but might still be able to spread the virus,

D) if they get sick but suffer less intense symptoms,

E) the proto vaccine it does nothing at all, or God forbid

F) the proto vaccine actually makes people more susceptible to the virus.
F sometimes happens.
F sucks.
Are you ready for your poke in the arm remembering the old say, "hi, we are from the government and we are here to help". :-/

The director of the most modern covid hospital in Poland has just revealed more and more covid patients are serious cases and because there are so many of them, some are sent home for private quarantine which may lead to even more complications. He said the situation is getting dire and the staff are burnt out. To him, the second wave has just come.

wiadomosci.onet.pl/krakow/koronawirus-w-polsce-wywiad-z-dyrektorem-szpitala-uniwersyteckiego-w-krakowie-marcin/zzh5wh7

I called the current increase the second wave a while ago....


these two things contradict each other....

Yes, I used a mental shortcut due to lack of time. I hoped you would understand it. Sorry.

Don't use mental shortcuts here. On this thread everything needs to be plain and simple like TV news or a toilet paper commercial.

hahaha
No, it is all right, maf only takes care of proper logic, I also do it, it is praiseworthy, really.
The multi-tier shortcut was in my sentence: more and more covid patients are serious cases and because there are so many of them, some are sent home for private quarantine

I meant:
the number of Covid patients is increasing.
more and more of them are serious cases.
because there are so many patients, the hospital isn`t able to accept them all, so seemingly mild cases are sent home for further development and potential treatment when a bed is vacant at the hospital.

Maf, now, do you mean what I know?

Well in the interview, the coronavirus ward was only 75% or so full and the beds occupied in the whole country have not increased enough to fill it, so.... kind of hype-y....

The flu season is right around the corner.
Hospitals will be slammed and it will become ever man for himself.
Pneumonia vaccines right now may not be a bad idea for some preventative maintenance.

Yes, but they need to have reserves for future increase. That`s why he said: we are doing a selection right now and only worst cases are hospitalised.

Daily numbers for Poland

Fatalities (daily total) 13, age range 64-92, average age 80

Hospitalizations (running total) up 41 to 2151...

Respirators in use, down 1 to 84

Cured (daily total) 548 roughly 60 % the number of new cases...

Ratio of cured to fatalities (daily) there were 42 times more cured cases than fatalities.

daily fatality rate (average) for the previous 7 days 11.4

It's hard to not call this the second wave, which makes me wonder how many waves they think they can squeeze out of this and how much more social control can be engineered from it (stories from New Zealand and Australia should disturb anyone who cares about citizen rights and individual freedoms).

Given how oddly this thing is behaving the chances that it's.... engineered seem increasingly large.

Unsettling hypothesis: Many countries from China to Germany to Italy to the US are complaining that aging populations are a threat to the economy (fewer young people to support more and more old people) and along comes a virus that doesn't do much to the under 60 population but is very dangerous to the over 80's.....

As Arsenio Hall used to say "Things that make you go 'hmmmmmmmm'....."

maf, I thought you don`t deal with conspiracy theories. Was I wrong?

there are conspiracy theories and conspiracy theories....

Every single version of what happened on 9/11 (including the 'official' version) is a conspiracy theory...

And I'm just saying....... hmmmmmmmmm (and a lot more people should be asking themselves about that too....)

Yes, #plandemia, has elements of mass euthanasia. I've posted an article about it here a few months ago, it was ferociously attacked by @Atch among the others cause it touched the mortality rates among the oldest "covid victims" with the needle.

One word, @mafketis, about those stats that you're posting here on a daily basis. I understand that this may be not your intention but nevertheless the sole fact that they are being posted and updated gives this common infection too much of a credit. Whether you want it or not you uphold this state of emergency surrounding corona flu infections.


I know, just having some fun. Unless we turn this "deadly pandemia" and its "preventive measures" into something ridiculous it all may go terribly wrong.

Laughter is a powerful weapon.

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I first started tracking the numbers because the picture in the media was so.... unclear.... hysterical, sensationalist headlines etc. I'd read elsewhere that actually tracking the numbers showed a very different story.

I keep posting them because despite the doom mongering about how many cases they find (an essentially meaningless statistic with this particular virus) when you do look at the numbers it's very.... non-alarming (unless you're prone to panic about any godanmned thing at all).

I keep posting the numbers to take the edge off the chicken littles who are prone to thinking the sky is falling.


Well it's done a pretty **** poor job of that (which is good, don't get me wrong). My position is that it's real (probably engineered and probably escaped the lab by accident) and dangerous to a very small subset of the population but that lockdowns are counterproductive at this stage and being manipulated by.... financial interests.

In the US covid has caused the largest transfer of wealth from the middle to the upper classes since..... ever?? And the EU recovery fund is essentially another loan shark scheme to keep the south in debt bondage to Germany and France

And while we're here.... have you heard of surveillance capitalism? It's a far bigger threat to civil society than anything that konfederacja gets hot and bothered by....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_capitalism

I noticed one things in media reporting:
While the deaths were growing and scary that was the top news. But once they fell significantly or stayed stagnant and not that scary anymore they quickly switched back to the number of cases.

There are over 22.95 million confirmed COVID-19 cases globally, with over 799,000 fatalities, and more than 14.7 million recoveries, according to the latest tally from Johns Hopkins University.

cgtn.com/special/Global-COVID-19-cases-top-19-7-million-U-S-cases-exceed-5-million.html

What I mean is that it wasn't a coronavirus which directly killed them but it served as an 'excuse' for not taking proper care of an elderly. Many old people were abandoned in care centers without any help because: "deadly pandemic".

And here's that article I've reffered to before:

"researchers found that acute respiratory distress was not the primary problem - deaths were mainly due to hypovolemic shock, or fluid loss. Confined to their rooms in lockdown, with staff absences running at 40 per cent and with a consequent reduction in the usual support, residents were dying of thirst."

spectator.co.uk/article/dying-of-neglect-the-other-covid-care-home-scandal

And also, quite recently a corona death toll in the UK was reduced by the number of 5,377. So over 5000 coronavictims were 'resurected'. A proper cult needs miracles, right?

telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-contact-tracing-spain-second-wave-cases/