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Germany. SPD coalition with CDU/CSU leaves party youth out? What it means for Poland?



Miloslaw
12 Feb 2019  #271

Anything to ignore the fact that Poland grew considerably after EU accession

I don't ignore that at all,all I'm saying is that Socialism caused Poland's poverty and you have just backed me up by saying that post socialist Poland did rather well,The EU helped by pumping millions into Poland,but they would have still been better off having unshackled themselves from socialism,with or without The EU.

Rich Mazur
13 Feb 2019  #272

Basic stuff in engineering: isolate variables or you will never know which one caused what.

Lyzko
13 Feb 2019  #273

@Weimarer (resp. Sonneborner, whichever you preferLOL),

One can "love" one's own country without hating others:-)

Weimarer
13 Feb 2019  #274

I hate no other country. Show me where i hate any other country?

Rich Mazur
13 Feb 2019  #275

We don't hate countries. We hate those who disrespect ours.
I see literally red when I see a Mexican flag (embassies aside), as flags mean possession. That US flag on Iwo Jima meant exactly what it symbolized.

delphiandomine
13 Feb 2019  #276

The EU helped by pumping millions into Poland

Of course, but much of the growth has been built on the removal of barriers within the EU. For instance, did you know that trucks were waiting up to 40 hours to cross the German border before EU accession?

Lyzko
13 Feb 2019  #277

Weimarer, you posted to me no less than several hours ago that Thuringia is basically "foreigner free", right?
Well now, if that's not xenophobic, I don't know what the heck could be!

If you mean here that you "love" other people(s) in THEIR countries, just not in Germany, that's something entirely different.
However, that's not what you said, so please stop bandying words with me, sir.

Rich Mazur
13 Feb 2019  #278

Well now, if that's not xenophobic,

That 'xenophobic" is overused or misapplied just as much as "racist" as phobia means fear. You probably didn't mean it, so I am just saying...

The problem with foreigners is that to so many of them, they are "us" and we, the locals, are "them". I hate it because the message from this is that we can't count on them in a moment of crisis. So, it's not just a trivial case of semantics.

Given the choice, where would you rather live? In an all-white town or in one that looks like the UN cafeteria? I said "live", not visit.

Lyzko
14 Feb 2019  #279

Blame Ms. Merkel's understandably misplaced liberal overzealousness, not the poor slobberino right off the boat, so to speak, unwitting
pawns in the EU's cat-and-mouse game of "us" vs. "them"!

Rich Mazur
14 Feb 2019  #280

Blame Ms. Merkel's understandably misplaced liberal overzealousness, not the poor slobberino right off the boat,

I agree but up to a point. Entering a country illegally is not acceptable. Period.
How lax is the enforcement is an internal problem, not a green light for the illegals or the NGO's fishing habits.

Weimarer
14 Feb 2019  #281

@Lyzko

Evryone belongs to his own country. I would never go elsewhere and leech off that country. I have no respect for those.

Rich Mazur
14 Feb 2019  #282

The natives should always be asked to vote if they want to admit foreigners, and how many, regardless if those foreigners are leeches or not. Would 10 million Chinese Ph.D.'s with no criminal record be OK? It's the masses - hard working, law abiding and peaceful - that is a problem if they change the host nation's ethnic composition.

But nobody has the balls to say it today - Trump included - except me.

Lyzko
14 Feb 2019  #283

Legal (vs.llegal) aliens who become citizens are not "leeching", they are partaking in those same services and benefits available to ordinary German taxpayers.

Rich Mazur
14 Feb 2019  #284

Legal (vs.llegal) aliens who become citizens

Aliens should never, ever be allowed to become citizens. Even their kids should be seen as suspects as very possibly not 100% loyal.

That aside, your post is oh so nice and cuddly but it avoids the two questions I keep raising and never get a sensible response to:

1. How many "aliens" is too many?

And the second, related question:
2. Why the natives are never allowed to decide question 1?

Would you like to try to answer both first before you jump on the opening sentence?

Lyzko
14 Feb 2019  #285

It depends on whom one regards as "alien".
No brainer, guys, that when newcomers of "related backgrounds" enter a country, nobody's beefin'!

Spike31
14 Feb 2019  #286

Those of related backgrounds are no aliens, or less of an aliens, by default

Lyzko
14 Feb 2019  #287

I mean that naturally were Germany sought out by ethnic Scandis or Frenchmen as an alternative to their own countries, Germany would doubtless welcome them with open arms (save for corrupt businessmen keen on importing cheap labor!!).

It's the sheer labor intensive effort of having to forcibly integrate migrants from totally difference backgrounds, many of whom, I must confess, frequently RESIST integration.

Miloslaw
14 Feb 2019  #288

It's the sheer labor intensive effort of having to forcibly integrate migrants from totally difference backgrounds

This is an almost impossible problem.
I see it almost every day here in The UK.
FFS,even European immigrants have to make "adjustments" when they come here.

Lyzko
15 Feb 2019  #289

Especially when many often steadfastly REFUSE to learn enough of the language to communicate, I mean we ain't talkin' Shakespeare here:-)

Rich Mazur
15 Feb 2019  #290

I am fascinated by the intensity of any discussion about languages. It's just a tool, not something you must love or else.

Weimarer
15 Feb 2019  #291

@Lyzko

Bullshit. 70% of welfare recievers in Germany are non germans. Each year 30 billion € tax money wasted on merkels guest. Money taken from german pensioners who are forced to collect bottles to make it over the month.

Good thing is, newest poll say that the 5 eastern german states have become completly AFD. The socialist SPD annihilated. The Greens fall below 5% in Saxony, Thüringen and Brandenburg. The Linke also collapses.

welt.de/politik/deutschland/article188821947/Prognose-fuer-die-Landtagswahlen-Der-Osten-wird-schwarz-blau.html

The election in autumn im 3 east german states will mark propably Merkels last blow. She already lost most of her relevance in the last election losses.

Germany is over crowded and needs negative migration. Deportation, deportation, deportation.

delphiandomine
15 Feb 2019  #292

Good thing is, newest poll say that the 5 eastern german states have become completly AFD.

Interesting manipulation when the polls actually show the CDU winning majorities. Eastern states going under sole control of the CDU without needing to rule in coalition with anyone gives them a powerful advantage in the Bundesrat.

Weimarer
15 Feb 2019  #293

In no mentioned state wins the CDU a majority. Infact their results are so bad, that a minimum 4 party coalition would be needed to form a government.

You should read an article before posting rubbish.

Lyzko
15 Feb 2019  #294

If your next word were to be "extermination", I'd seek out a shrink......FAST!!!!

Weimarer
15 Feb 2019  #295

What? You have a problem with following law? Several hundredthousands are due to be deported. They have no right to be in Germany any longer and the "deportation, deportation, deportation" came from Merkel herself.

Im not willing to be world welfare office.

Torq
15 Feb 2019  #296

Money taken from german pensioners who are forced to collect bottles to make it over the month.

It is not THAT BAD, surely! *profoundly shocked*

When someone says "German pensioner" the first things that come to my mind are "new Mercedes" and "Mallorca", not "collecting bottles".

Weimarer
15 Feb 2019  #297

There is gargantuan poverty in Germany and even more so with pensioners. Most dont get even 1000 € per month and live below the poverty line.

The trend got even stronger in Merkels time. More and more people fall in poverty while a few rich get richer and richer.

20% of german pensioners depends on food aid.

Lyzko
15 Feb 2019  #298

Merkel ought to have drawn a line in the sand long, long ago!

As I posted yesterday, hate the sin, not the sinner:-) Go blame your current chancellor, not the poor Somali soul alone on the streets of some German city, put there unprepared and without knowing why they're there.

And you call yourself an "atheist". Even agnostics have more compassion.

Weimarer
15 Feb 2019  #299

Compassion is for idiots. When Titanic went down, 750 people made it into the boats. They did not return to pick up more, because the people in the water would pull down their boats.

We cant save Africa. We are responsible for ourself. My only responsibility for that somalian is to bring him back africa,. Or to make his life so hard, he runs away himself, and tells his people how evil we are.

Migration is all about push and pull factors. And we need much push.

Rich Mazur
15 Feb 2019  #300

Compassion is for idiots.

I could not put it any better.
Well, actually, I can: Compassion is for the white suicidal idiots.
F*** Somalis. If they can't feed themselves, that's God's will and desire to see them die. God's plan for Somalia did not include white Germans.


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