Germany. SPD coalition with CDU/CSU leaves party youth out? What it means for Poland?

I don't know who you are, but I am so glad you are here as a voice of reason and a model for your other countrymen how real men express their opinions.

You are so spot on with that "one party regime". They just pretend to be in opposition to one another for the stupid and the naive voters.

So all democratic parties before the AfD were forming a "one party system", and only when the AfD (which is considered a right-wing party by most Germans) showed up, Germany had a real democracy? Are you nuts? That's like saying the Weimar Republic had a one party system until the NSDAP came into power.

Who is the successor party of the SED and like the AfD has a very dubious opinion of democracy and our constitution.

It was a one party dictatorship.

Tell me in 2015, if i want borders closed and Germany secured from mass migration, which party beside AfD could i vote?

I tell you...none. all parties sung Merkels song. There was no democracy. There was no other voices. No oppossition.

Rich he is the dude in the next cubicle and frankly he is doing a better job than you.

Shape up or you wont get your vouchers for the foreign currency shop

And no I dont want to see a pic of your matura or your Lexus

@TheOther

So tell me which "democratic" party was for closing the border and securing Germany, before AfD was in Bundestag. Tell me which party did not stand with Merkel. Merkel faced no oppossition, just various shades of the same. And all media sung her song as well

I will never ever trust those system parties ever again. And im happy, that AfD broke this **** up.

By your standards, yes..
So, tell me, genius, which of the German parties in the Bundestag was vehemently opposed to allowing the foreign scum from outside of the EU into Germany from day one?

The BRD was founded in 1949, not in 2015 when Merkel opened the borders. West Germany never had a "one party regime", as you say. There was a wide variety of parties up for election: the KPD (until 1956) and later the DKP on the far left, the DVU and the NPD on the far right, just to name a few. You were always able to pick your poison.


Yep, although I found Gregor Gysi entertaining and almost trustworthy the way how he came across.

Because most Germans agree with the migration policy in principle. Even in 2017 more than 80% of the votes went to partys that support it in principle. And they still do, though some more oversight was needed.

@TheOther

Well, I mentioned before how many East Germans are yet to fully accustome to our democratic system. Weimarer is a perfect example for this.

Are you planning to answer his question in #17?
If not, I will do something else and resume breathing. That purple on my face is not looking good.

Tacitus, please don't embarrass yourself. I can design a survey that will show 80% support for anything - Nazis and Hitler included.
Do you know that, recently, a majority here said they were for abolishing the 1st Amendment?

@Rich Mazur


There was none. Just as there was no party in the Bundestag who whitewashed the crimes of the Wehrmacht, or the Holocaust. Back then we could still pretend that all Germans had learned from the past, instead of simply a majority. A sobbering experience, but a necessary one. Though I will always remember with pride how many of my compatriots helped out the arrivibg refugees.

Are you following the thread? Read #21 and # 22, the answers are out there.


Hold your breath a little longer. My favorite color is blue... :)

@Tacitus

Wrong polls show large majority of Germans strongly opposed the system parties actings. That was one of the main reasons, why the AfD git massive votes, the CDU and SPD collapsed amd the Linke started to break apart.

We also had no free media.

The first sentence is all I needed. The rest of your post is noise. Or sand, if you prefer.

"Tell me in 2015, if i want borders closed and Germany secured from mass migration, which party beside AfD could i vote?" was the question.

A history lessen about parties in 1949 or 1956 is pure duck and evasion.

I answer you.

All parties sung Merkels song, there was zero oppossition.

And all media supported Merkel. There was no oppossition, evryone critisizing it got hunted, insulted ect.

This freated a freak feeling. Evryone you talked with said Merkel is crazy. First time in my life i felt fear for future. But in TV they said evrytjing is great.

My grandma said it is like back in DDR and even like in Hitler times.

And yet when it counted they still voted oberwhelmingly for parties that did not promise a significant change in the asylum laws. The AfD has so far benefited from two factors: Discontent with the aftermath of 2015, and fatigue with long reign Merkel. With refugee numbers back on a sustainable level, and with Merkel's end approaching, the AfD is already losing support.

Why? All that Tacitus said was, that there was no political party opposed to letting refugees into the country. The topic of economic migrants was not on the table in 2015. You really need to read up on the German election system. It's completely different to ours.


That was not the question. Weimarer claimed that there was a one party regime ruling Germany before the AfD was elected into parliament. That's simply nonsense, and he knows it.

@Tacitus
The AfD is reaching evry poll higher results in Thüringen.

My city has become a shi since 2015 and i want revenge for that betrayal. Only because AfD something changed for the better.

All parties were same. No oppossition in parliament.

I ask again, name me a party that opposed Merkel in 2015. Just one.

Which party can i vote that want protect german borders, blocks migration in welfare system and opposes Merkels politics, if i domt want vote AfD.

Name that party.

I appreciated his honest answer because I would not be able to verify it.

Therefore, Weimarer's claim that in 2015 not a single party was there to vote for and in opposition to the flood is true.

BTW, that flood was in violation of the UN rules on refugees. Under those rules, refugees must stay in the first country where they are safe. Period.

Germany, like a bunch of illiterate idiots, didn't read that memo and is now stuck with the worst human garbage that makes our Latino garbage look like pure gold.

And we pay 21 billion € each year for them.

And they say the 6 billion € for german pensioners are too expensive.

We are stuck with migrants after 3 year integration lessons, cant spell their name, age and adress in German.

The AfD was at least able to stop the worst of this madness.

As a consolation, our 20 million of the illegal Latino garbage costs the US about 150 billion a year. That's how stupid we are.
Feel better?

So in this particular case, they all agreed. I don't see the problem with the political decision making process in general. That's simply how the Bundestag works.



The NPD for example. They were also campaigning with slogans like "Polen-Invasion stoppen" (Stop the Polish invasion) in East Germany, remember?


The alternative to the AfD is the NPD. You will need to find enough crazies though to get past the 5%.

@Rich Mazur

No, sorry, but getting exploited doesnt feel better when someone else fets screwed even more

@TheOther

Thanks for admitting that AfD is only oppossition.

Also only oppossition in Euro questions. Only oppossition in energy questions and only oppossition in economic questions.

Because they wouldn't dare not to. "Racist"!!!!!! Sounds familiar?


Evasive. Polen is not the problem. They assimilate, rarely on welfare, white, Christian, 1.8 kids per on average.


I know. I was just being funny in a sick way.

Sorry, but I didn't do that. In the German electoral system, you have a choice of parties and their programs/ candidates you can vote for. If you are not happy with the current situation, you either join one of the existing parties and try to change it from the inside, or you vote for someone who represents your interests. That may be a party that is already in the parliament like the AfD, or one that isn't yet like the NPD. There are always alternatives. The AfD is just one of many options you have.


That's what you say. Some right wing parties in Germany might disagree.

Germany doesn't have constitution. Germany has basic law that was never submitted to popular [democratic] vote.

That would be nice for Germany to remember that, before you start voicing your criticism over "the state of democracy in Poland"



Sounds very totalitarian to me.

If the right wing German parties hate Poles who after 20 or so years still speak Polish at home, I am with them even if they have "neo" or "nazi" in their official party name.

The single rudest thing one can do is to speak the language the dinner host doesn't understand. To eliminate this possibility, Polish is banned from my household. No exceptions.

@Spike31

Yes, Merkel ruled like a monarch, all parties followed her, nobody dared to speak against her. Also all media supported her.

Thing is, there was a big election afterwards and enough people still voted for Merkel so that she could rule on (with the SPD)....she wasn't exactly punished for her desastrous decisions!

It isn't only democracy when we like the outcome....