Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

er.....no actually. Are you actually claiming that multiculturism has been a success because you can now order a kebab any time you want ?

I was asking Jon the question and not you. I'm sure he's big enough to defend his own claims and doesn't need you or others to stand up for him.


Stop using this forum to peddle your propaganda. The phrase "mass rape" is sensationalist and therefore easy to discredit. There were countless reports of women being sexually abused or assaulted but perhaps technically not raped and not by a "mass of men".

I am assuming you were not there Jon so you are in no position say with any assurance that there were no incidents of a sexual nature on that night. By focusing on a few websites that support your claim and ignoring the ones that dispute your version of events proves to me that you have an agenda on this board and I think you're sailing close to the wind in abusing this forum for your own personal agenda.

There wouldn't need to be any multi-culturalism at all for me to order a kebab every time I want one, neither in Poland nor in England.

The point is that ethnic diversity has benefits, when handled right. And it brings problems, when handled wrong. The current junta seem all about handling it wrong, like so many other things of course.


This is a public board and I'll reply to whatever posts I want to, provided they're on topic. If people want to ask private questions, there is the private message function.

Food has certainly got better, especially here in Warsaw, now the providers are more diverse.


The police certainly are. And confirmed that the so-called 'mass rape', which certain posters here were feigning outrage about simply never happened. It was a deliberate lie by people with an axe to grind.

Quite right but if a member makes a claim on the forum then I also have a right to question them on their claim in the public forum and NOT in a private message. You are free to answer Jon's questions obviously but it is not unreasonable to expect him to answer a question regarding one of his many outlandish claims rather than you or anyone else answering on his behalf.

Asking me "got your answer now ?" made it clear that you believed you had answered my question to Jon. If I wanted your opinion then I would ask for it.


Agreed. I think the problem is that our political leaders don't really handle multi culturism at all. They just allow it to develop at it's own rhythm and it's own direction.

I firmly believe that the failure of multiculturism in the UK (in my opinion) is down to the country's leaders.

Outlandish?


nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/europe/bild-fake-story.html?_r=0

Quite right but if a member makes a claim on the forum then I also have a right to question them on their claim in the public forum and NOT in a private message. You are free to answer Jon's questions obviously but it is not unreasonable to expect him to answer a question regarding one of his many outlandish claims rather than you or anyone else answering on his behalf.

Asking me "got your answer now ?" made it clear that you believed you had answered my question to Jon. If I wanted your opinion then I would ask for it.


Agreed. I think the problem is that our political leaders don't really handle multi culturism at all. They just allow it to develop at it's own rhythm and it's own direction.

I firmly believe that the failure of multiculturism in the UK (in my opinion) is down to the country's leaders.


The police have confirmed that there were no reported incidents of sexual abuse or harassment ? I don't believe you-prove it.

If the apology from the newspaper and the confirmation from the police in the article doesn't prove it, perhaps you need to ask for the police's original paperwork in order to be convinced...


Things do anyway, and despite your angst, they will continue to do so.

And what are those?

These are your words a page before

"Remember the 'mass rape' lie in Cologne. There were videos etc and it turned out not to have happened at all".

You then attempt to support your claim by posting a link to a NY Times article where Bild apologised for a fake news article about an incident that occurred in Frankfurt a year after the Cologne incident.

Do you even read your own sources ??

Take a look a few lines down from the opening paragraph (it's very short) "The accusations carried echoes of genuine attacks on New Year's Eve a year earlier".

Either you've made a lazy mistake because you thought you saw something that supported your outlandish claim or you have just been caught lying. Fake news is everywhere wouldn't you say ?

I am calling you out on this as you clearly have an agenda you are trying to sell on this forum and will resort to mistruths and fake news to get people to buy it.

Frankfurt, Cologne, whatever.

And yes, it was proved to be a lie, by Bild, and spread by people with an agenda.


Call away. It was still a lie, and nothing you can do will change that.

I admit I am outraged at what happened to innocent women in Germany during New yearrs eve celebraions, this is no isolated incident and is a cultural norm back in the perpetraors home country, this abuse of women is condoned by the religion of many of those involved in the crimes.

During the 2015/2016 New Year's Eve celebrations, there were mass sexual assaults, at least 24 rapes, and numerous thefts in Germany, mainly in Cologne city center. There were similar incidents at the public celebrations in Hamburg, Dortmund, Düsseldorf, Stuttgart[26] and Bielefeld.[14][27][28] For all of Germany, police report that 1,200 women were sexually assaulted and estimate that at least 2,000 men were involved, acting in groups.[25]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

Many of the perpetrators believe that it is their right to take women not of their faith and do what they wish to them.

Those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war" (33:50).

To bring some balance to my last paragraph a similar passage can be found in the bible where women can be taken as spoils of war heads shaved etc.

For many the thought that some people would use religion in the modern day to exuse the abuse of women is horrific .

Sadly we have a surge of migrants form lets be honest, very backward nations, where FGM, rape, and abuse of women is very common indeed.

There have always been New Years incidents in Germany. Nevertheless, the Frankfurt incident was fabricated, and immigration is an irrelevance to that or any other issue.


Indeed. A priest and his group of parish harpies actually tried to physically prevent a teenage girl from having a termination here in Poland, even going so far as stalking her by waiting in cars outside her home so they could follow her when she left.

Are you for real ?

You said that the accusations made by women during the Cologne attacks was a lie and you'd be happy for anyone who would have read your post to think it was a fact

For the record, it is NOT a lie that women reported multiple incidents of sexual abuse in Cologne-the police have not denied this.

According to the mainstream German press, e.g. DER SPIEGEL, the attacks were in fact documented. As to whether or not some might have been "faked", I really couldn't say:-)

Sadly, anything's possible nowadays, particularly in the world of journalism. I can however confirm that during the '70's and on, ethnic German girls WERE requested to stay avoid specifically Turkish neighborhoods after sundown, as many of the young men would try to take advantage of teenagers.

There was however no 'mass rape'. That was a blatant fabrication by a tabloid, spread further by people of ill-will.

I've been in both cities during the past few months. Great places to live.

When last in Berlin in 2000, I heard still that places such as Kreuzberg were not too safe for German females:-)

I was there a few weeks ago. Not just in the very centre, but in quite a few parts of Kreuzberg, both SO36 and SW62, both in the daytime and in the evening. Plenty of women around, a generally very safe place.

If there are any dangers there, it's from traffic.

Blatant fabrications is something you seem to be familiar with. Misquoting articles to get people to believe your own agenda.

For me, the most dangerous part of Berlin is Lichtenberg and other huge commie block areas in the former East Berlin. Kreuzberg and that area near Osloer Strasse is perfectly safe, despite having plenty of Turks.

Once the centre of Polish Berlin and still quite a few Poles living there long and short term. The old part is ok, if rough and ready. The estates are indeed rough - the local skinheads are the danger.


When schlepping around Kreuberg a few weeks ago (for specific reasons) I also spent most of a day in Neukolln. The most Turkish/Arab/African district by atmosphere. Perfectly safe and a lot of great places to shop and eat.

The few areas in Warsaw where there's noticeable immigration are also safe. Even safer than they were before.

hey man,could you stop condoning and supporting rapists here on this forum?or go to you muslim rapists website with this bs you spawn.thank you

mass attacks on children on public swimming pools are also fabrications?

I'll also be in Stuttgart in a week or so, staying with a friend (Polish) who lives there. Apparently it's very safe there too, and all the better for some cultural diversity.


Again, trying to whip up hysteria about 'mass attacks'

Never on that scale, Jon. The attacks in Cologne and Hamburg were so severe and widespread that the media, which included the state TV's Tagesschau and Heute as well as Spiegel, Stern and Sueddeutsche all swept the incidents under the carpet for a week (who told them to, by the way?). Only when foreign news outlets and small local newspapers in Germany reported in increasing numbers and it couldn't be hidden anymore, did these ******** feel the need to report, too. That really reminded of the old GDR times. I still have quite a few friends in Germany, and they were all shocked how politicians and the media worked hand in hand to cover things up.


Compared to now, there were hardly any Turks in Germany in the 1970's. The largest wave came in the early 1980's when family reunions were allowed. That's when the problems started. Did you know, by the way, that it was initially the Americans who pressed the Germans and other European nations in 1961 to open their labor markets to the Turks? Turkey had some major unemployment at that time, so the US wanted to "help out" a strategic NATO friend. The German chancellor of that time was vehemently opposed to bringing Turks into the country. Even Helmut Schmidt was at a later time, and Helmut Kohl even had plans to halve the Turkish population of Germany in the 1980's. All for the same reason: they are not compatible with German culture...


Increasingly gentrified nowadays.

Probably because any incidents were far less dramatic than those of ill-will wish they were.


Works well now.


Residents of some bits of Kreuzberg complain of this. The poorer residents are being slowly pushed southwards.

To which Poles would say: Droga wolna! (rush to google translate!)

Many do indeed rush there, for higher earnings, a freer society and a better quality of life.

Nevertheless, things are getting better here in Warsaw and the increasingly cosmopolitan atmosphere certainly helps that.

In Germany an Afghan women who had converted to Christianity was stabbed to death in front of her children by another Afghan.

welt.de/vermischtes/article164165417/Familie-des-Opfers-vermutet-religioeses-Motiv.html

Do we want that in Poland?

Poland already has plenty of murders unfortunately. Also domestic violence, most of it hidden, most in small out of the way places.


We? You're in America.

The killer has been sent to a psychiatric ward.
I wonder what kind of sickness is ailing him, poor soul.

Probably schizophrenia. No shortage of that already in Poland.

Sad when people try to blame the family origins of sick people for their crimes.