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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



nothanks
10 May 2017  #3061

Golan Heights has oil

Migrant crisis and warmongering in the ME benefits Israel. As you describe this is a thriving nation and thus their meddling has significant pull.

Crnogorac3
10 May 2017  #3062

youtube.com/watch?v=NEuJ5v3AbJg

Exposing Obama Regime's Support to Al-Qaeda

Na'eem for ISIL, now "Islamic State", said it was part of the famous plan of the Neoconservatives and Israel itself "Clean Break", plan with which should be carried out "Balkanization of the Arab and Muslim countries in the Middle East."

The conflict is designed so that it is an "Endless War" to "exhaust the financial resources of Saudi Arabia, as well as Iran, as they did with Saddam Hussein in Iraq."

In the interest of Israel is not that Assad wins, neither Al-Qaeda, nor ISIL, etc. but that they are concerned and preoccupied with each other, because while as long as that is so according to their agenda Israel is secure.

Otherwise Na'eem is the senior official of Al-Qaeda (Al-CIAeda) or Al-Nusra Front in Syria, which has in the meantime been re-branded.

Dirk diggler
10 May 2017  #3063

Israel has been caught treating al nusra fighters. Vice did a documentary on this.
Keep to the topic of the thread please

Crnogorac3
10 May 2017  #3064

Yes there was another planned operation in the 80s to expand Israeli territory.

For several of those who wondered how ISIS can travel thousands of kilometers to Europe in order to carry out terrorist attacks in Paris or Brussels but does not attack Israel which is distant only 50 km.

Here's some general info about the creation of their policies and their approach to the environment in the Middle East.

From "The Zionist plan for the Middle East": The plan operates in two premises: to survive, Israel must: 1) become a regional imperial power 2) must cause the division of the whole area into small statelets leading to disintegration of Arab states.

Size here depends on the sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionists hope that these countries on the basis of sects would become Israel's satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation...

This topic has been documented in very modern proportions in AAUG publication, "Israel's holy Terrorism" (1980), Livia Rokach. Based on the memoirs of Moshe Sharett, prime minister of Israel, Rokach investigates documents in compelling detail, the Zionist plan that applies to Lebanon and was prepared in the mid-fifties. "That what they wanted is not the Arab world, but the world of Arab fragments that is ready and willing to bow to Israeli hegemony."

"The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into smaller units, occurs again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze'ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha'aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on that topic) writes about the "best" that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: "the disintegration of Iraq into a Shiite state, Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part" (Ha'aretz 6-2-1982).

In his "complete diaries", Vol II, p. 711, Theodore Herzl, founder of Zionism, says that the area of ​​the Jewish state extending "from the river of Egypt to the Euphrates." (includes parts of Lebanon, Egypt, almost all of Syria, half of Iraq, the northern part of Saudi Arabia and the whole of Jordan) "

Crnogorac3
10 May 2017  #3065

Israel has been caught treating al nusra fighters.

1

globalresearch.ca/israeli-military-support-to-syria-al-qaeda-terrorists-operating-out-of-the-golan-hights/5369619

Then we come to this:

How Israel helped to create Hamas

washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

WikiLeaks: "Israel actively supported Hamas"

jerusalemonline.com/news/middle-east/israeli-palestinian-relations/wikileaks-israel-actively-supported-hamas-6980

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3066

I have to sympathize with Western Europeans and Arabs. Jewish holocaust guilt trip card + media power (spreading cultural marxism) and the size, power and influence of America is a damn tough combination to fight.

What I don't quite understand is how did Frankfurt School overtook the Liberal Arts departments so quickly all across American universities. But then again the "crackdown on rape culture" didn't begin til the late 90's and safe spaces/trigger warnings not til within the past 10 if not even 5 years. So this stuff engulfs the campuses like a fire.

spiritus
11 May 2017  #3067

Growing healthily and becoming more diverse year on year. Very noticeable here in Warsaw and a change for the better.Have faith in humanity.

Peddling your agenda again Jon ?

Show me how cultural diversity in the UK for example has made the country better.

nothanks
11 May 2017  #3068

The irony of multiculturalism is it only works when complete equality/mixing is reached. But.....then you no longer have diversity. So really it is simply a ploy to hurt the homogenous population. And in this example the Polish one

Harry
11 May 2017  #3069

Show me how cultural diversity in the UK for example has made the country better.

Compare British food in 1950 and today. Got your answer now?

You can see the same starting in Poland too. 20 years ago there was one curry restaurant in Warsaw, now there must be at least 20. And the changes are spreading. Even ten years ago if you were in a smallish town in Poland and it was after nine o'clock and you were hungry, you were staying that way; now there is certain to be at least a couple of places serving kebabs etc and staffed mostly by people who aren't Polish.

nothanks
11 May 2017  #3070

Venice bans kebab shops to 'preserve decorum' of city
"We want to put the brakes on types of activities which are not compatible with the preservation and development of Venice's cultural heritage," said Paola Mar, the city's tourism chief, according to The Guardian.

Last year, Verona also banned kebab and other fast food shops to preserve the city's "decorum".

The ruling came in response to a surge in kebab shops in the city.

City officials in Florence also cracked down on the placement of fast food establishments, as well as minimarkets, internet cafes and call centres.


Atch
11 May 2017  #3071

Venice's cultural heritage

And there's the difference. The cultural heritage of Venice and Florence can scarcely be compared to that of Warsaw, especially the recently developed parts of Warsaw filled with tower blocks. Apart from the rebuilt Stare Miasto and some of the city centre most of Warsaw is not much more than 100 years old in its oldest parts and what there is of that is treated with little respect by the city authorities. Venice and Florence on the other hand were the cradle of the Renaissance, a major influence on European civilisation.

nothanks
11 May 2017  #3072

Atch,

Your argument is valid but we both know such a definition is in the eye of the beholder. I.E. we want to keep our regional heritage and then it balloons into keep our national heritage. I don't necessarily think Poland should wage such a fight but considering the immense patriotism in Poland, I wouldn't be surprised.

I can't currently find it but I came across an interesting breakdown of how Muslims act when they reach certain milestones in population percentage. For example the general notion is as long as the percentage never reaches over 5% there are little problems. The next threshold involves only eating their Native food. Which then forces the focus of Halal meet - this in turn locks down jobs for their own. The next threshold turns into dominating local food markets and stores. This ends up forcing other cultures out. And this balloons more and more until you get political pressure and then obey our way or pack up and leave.

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3073

If people are opening a few dozen kebab restaurants I could care less as long as they pay taxes, follow health codes, etc. I prefer Persians over Arabs tho in almost every aspect culture history cuisine etc plus Iran sends kornet missles to Gaza - I love em for that alone

nothanks
11 May 2017  #3074

BOOM, I found it copy-pasted=removed

Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond

linkedin.com/pulse/muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-society-maha-hamdan

DominicB
11 May 2017  #3075

@Atch

Actually, San Francisco as it stands now is not very much older than Warsaw as it stands now, having been leveled by the earthquake of 1906. Yet it is one of the very few American cities where you are constantly aware that you are specifically in it, rather than in some other generic American city. It has its peculiar charm and a very strong cultural heritage, a lot of which derives from within the span of my own lifetime.

So it's not merely a matter of age. There are American cities that are much older than San Francisco that do not have as distinct a character.

Also, Wrocław is even "newer" than Warsaw, not only having been destroyed during the war, but also having had practically all of its population replaced from places far away. Yet it has more specific charm than Warsaw. I can say the same of Poznań and Grańsk, as well.

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3076

Wroclaw and Krakow in my opinion are the two most beautiful cities in poland. Im not just saying wroclaw bc I'm from there but everything is just so cool. You have the little elves scattered around town, an awesome market, the raclawicka panorama, ostrow tumski, and once you're done sightseeing you can head to modern skytower where businessmen and beautiful locals intermingle over drinks and food. I've seen more Bentleys and Porsches there than in my own suburb here in the US

Atch
11 May 2017  #3077

BOOM, I found it

The analysis sounds quite reasonable. However I suspect that it could be said of any other group of immigrants who are present in sufficiently large numbers. In the old days it was 'conquest and colonisation', now it's 'invasion and settlement'.

t's not merely a matter of age.

Absolutely. I do understand that. There are certainly parts of Warsaw that have a distinctive character and actually have more character then the Stare Miasto which feels very fake and touristy, filled with coach loads of tourists and Polish school children on day trips. But no matter how much local flavour and distinctive feeling an American or Polish city can have, it's not in the same league as Venice and Florence.

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3078

Venice is a tourist trap. Nothing but tourists gondola and Nigerians selling fake lv Gucci etc. Florence and don't forget Milan are my favorite Italian spots especially for shopping. Im big into name brands, material, etc. If you're ever in Florence I can give u the address and number to my favorite leatherworker and shoe smith. He'll design anything you want or make his edition of some popular line for you. I believe his brand is called Florence moon. Assisi (the town where st Francis of assisi is from) is also amazing for tourism but is small and isn't a tourist trap like rome and Venice

As far as party spots definitely lake como

I have yet to visit Sicily but I've heard from Italian friends much of southern Italy has been overloaded with migrants especially from Africa. Apparently the mafia makes a killing of billing the government for housing them in warehouses with basic water and food. Genius idea but not very helpful to italy

Atch
11 May 2017  #3079

. Im big into name brands,

Now why doesn't that surprise me?

my favorite leatherworker and shoe smith.

I think he's the one mentioned on Frasier. Every time he finishes a pair of shoes (roughly every six months) they ring the city bells and the townsfolk rejoice.

gregy741
11 May 2017  #3080

For several of those who wondered how ISIS can travel thousands of kilometers to Europe in order to carry out terrorist attacks in Paris or Brussels but does not attack Israel which is distant only 50 km.

lol.one of them isis fighter did attack once,they apologised to Israel later
google.co.uk/search?q=isis+apologised+israel+attack&oq=isis+apologised+israel+attack

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3081

@(sn)Atch

Because you know I'm oh so cultured and sexy : )

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3082

What's that game that Muslims like to play with girls? Tarragush or something? Its where they encircle a girl whether in a park pool concert rave club party etc and take turns pinching her butt grabbing her boobs etc... There are typically enough males so as to .make a distraction so that an onlooker won't see the girl trapped in the middle.

Well this is a pretty common occurrence in Sweden France and Germany. Some horny/rape fantasy girls like the attention till they're actually getting gang raped.. Id say 99% don't like it but then again what do I know i've met some really freaky girls w strange requests.. I still can't read women perfectly and don't expect to.. Anyway who am I to judge as long as it's consensual..

Well we don't want that stuff here in poland.. Rape is not cool..

jon357
11 May 2017  #3083

There are certainly parts of Warsaw that have a distinctive character and actually have more character then the Stare Miasto which feels very fake and touristy, filled with coach loads of tourists and Polish school children on day trips

Most of the centre is nicer than the starówka. Śródmieście Południoww, especially the part that was less damaged has more character and genuine atmosphere. It's certainly also the most cosmopolitan part of town.

What's that game that Muslims like to play with girls? Tarragush or something? Its where they encircle a gir

Having lived in majority Muslim areas in both the UK and the Middle East, I can honestly say that I've never seen what you describe.

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3084

I personally haven't either. I've only seen videos of it recorded by bystanders in Sweden France etc. A similar type of 'game' was played in cologne on Nye which I'm sure youve heard about.

Look don't think I'm some racist Aryan skinhead.. I have friends of all colors genders and have a gay friend altho you'd think he's the most roughneck kick ass tough guy I know. If I ever get in a fight hed be my first pick to stand by my side. My gf is a rich jew and one of my best friends is a paki who came to the us some 5 6 years ago. My point is that with unchecked migration you get bad apples with the good. Furthermore overly generous welfare programs create an incentive to migrate make false asylum claims while the inclusionary yet separate classist culture of Europe has created exclusionary zones in Sweden and France instead of redistributing them evenly and not letting them all settle in bad areas. Altho then again there are pros and cons of every policy.

In chicago, I went to a high school near one of the worst projects in Chicago - cabrini green. It along with all the other high rise projects were torn down and smaller town/row homes were built. So in one way with the high rises at least all the gangbangers were in one or a few easily id'd buildings that you'd never go into unless you either lived there or were buying drugs. It was he'll for the old ladies single moms and hardworking min wage blacks because the gangs (4ch, gds, mickey cobras, etc Chicago is all about 5 or fins aka people versus 6 or folks) ran the place. Well when they tore these down it got rid of these forts where basically gangs were sniping opps from the 14th floor but then spread them into smaller homes all over the south and west side. Now the gangs blend in easier and are harder to police albeit the police would rarely go into the projects because the lights were shot out and holes were made in walls creating a maze for snipers and dealers to escape during a raid... As you see, pros and cons of two different policies

jon357
11 May 2017  #3085

I've only seen videos of it recorded by bystanders in Sweden France etc.

I wouldn't trust those.

the gangs

Plenty of those in Poland, and a certain amount of gang violence. So far, the steady migration into Poland hasn't been to the rough estates where such people live.

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3086

@jon357

The large gangs in poland have been dismantled or are a relic of their former selves. Some of the older guys that survived the purges and are have now completed 10 20 year bids just want to lay low or retire. The gangs in poland are now limited to mainly a group of dealers occupying a blok and selling Chinese chemicals like cathinone and spice as well as perhaps some amphetamines and weed. Theres a few omgs and far right football firms.. There's next to zero organized crime in poland anymore this isn't the 90s and the type that does exist is leftover groups, maybe some albanians, Ukrainians and russians, american omgs, and that's it. Poland is not a crime ridden country it has maybe 300 400 murders a year that's nothing. Chicago has over 1,000 murders every year and were a metro population of around 3 4 million - 10x smaller than poland. Even in Prague the moustache Pete types are much more easily found than in warsaw wroclaw krakow

Why wouldn't you trust those videos? They are usually recorded by a bystanstander not a reporter with an agenda. Also one cannot deny that the amount of rapes/sexual assaults shot up some 1500% after they started taking in migrants en masse. The sheer volume of such reports cannot be ignored. Take cologne Nye for one - certainly that event wasn't a figment of the imagination.

jon357
11 May 2017  #3087

The gangs in poland are now limited to mainly a group of dealers occupying a blok

This is what I mean. Blokerzy. Not necessarily dealing, just causing a problem for people around them.

There's next to zero organized crime in poland anymore th

A lot more than you think. There's been something of a resurgence here over the past five or so years.

Why wouldn't you trust those videos?

Remember the 'mass rape' lie in Cologne. There were videos etc and it turned out not to have happened at all

Dirk diggler
11 May 2017  #3088

Can you please elaborate on the migrant situation in poland? I don't live their full time and my observations are merely based upon my travels. I know that I've def seen way more Ukrainians. They seem to be spread out pretty evenly between city and suburbs as well as rural areas. Most appear to work in low level unskilled jobs like food prep restaurants agriculture etc. Basically the jobs many poles don't want to do bc they pay too little. Its kind of like the situation in the us - many whites complain about all the Mexicans coming in but they take the jobs that whites don't want. I personally don't have an issue with 99% of them as they work hard and are usually rather religious, private people that just want to work be left alone and raise their kids - of which they tend to have a lot lol.

DominicB
11 May 2017  #3089

Its kind of like the situation in the us - many whites complain about all the Mexicans coming in but they take the jobs that whites don't want.

Actually, I don't recall ever hearing a Pole complain about Ukrainians in this way ever in my twelve years in Poland.

jon357
11 May 2017  #3090

don't recall ever hearing a Pole complain about Ukrainians

They certainly are at the moment. Basically a lot of people have come here with low skills in Polish language, a need to work, even if it's undercutting locals and a very high work ethic.

Even MacDonalds recruitment posters are in Ukrainian now.


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