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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Dirk diggler
10 May 2017  #3031

Yes and just as there is tons of Muslims Arabs and Africans that aren't Syrian or Eritrean. Its the same with Ukrainians some of th3we migrants are fleeing the war in the east but many are simply economic migrants.

cms
10 May 2017  #3032

No it is not

jon357
10 May 2017  #3033

fleeing the war in the east but many are simply economic migrants.

The two are inextricably interrelated. Same with people fleeing from further away.

mafketis
10 May 2017  #3034

Hungary and Poland are not yet mature enough to support the idea of solidarity

Solidarity with what? A tinpot dictatrix who quashes democracy in Greece and then unilaterally tries to dictate border policy in other countries? Why on earth should Poland or Hungary show soldarity with that?

The vast majority of those allowed in by Merkel's policy are not fleeing war or oppression, they are economic migrants without the social or educational background that would allow them to be anything but welfare pets. Germany can afford a few hundred thousand welfare pets, Poland can't.

And... if you look at the stories surrounding sex crimes by Merkel's (metaphorical) invitees you get the idea that many are not quite right in the head either. Very disturbing stuff (look up the blog German joys for occasional horrific examples).

Harry
10 May 2017  #3035

Poland tried that already and almost all of them left for Germany within a week...

That's the thing I really cannot understand in this whole problem: why doesn't Poland just win brownie points (and EU cash) by accepting a few dozen thousand refugees and then washing its hands when they all sod off to Germany?

The vast majority of those allowed in by Merkel's policy

Wow, I knew that Merkel was talented by I didn't realise she'd mastered time travel too. Or can you explain how she went back in time and decided the wording of a convention signed three years before she was born?

Dirk diggler
10 May 2017  #3036

I'm all for helping people but it has to be done responsibly and intelligently. Poland has handled this pretty well not perfect but nonetheless they did a good job. In my opinion the Ukrainians Chechens and the few Iraqi and other m.e. Christians are a net benefit to poland because they assimilate

I believe welfare in poland is something like 50 euro a month or some really low figure basically enough for you not to starve and be able to boil a few potatoes. Germany Sweden uk etc have excellent benefits.

Many poles use to joke that for retirement they'll just go on the dole in uk and live in poland. Now with brexit that's not possible. Personally I'm glad I don't like people who just leech of society and are perpetual or even generation welfare and government aid recipients polish or otherwise.

gregy741
10 May 2017  #3037

That's the thing I really cannot understand in this whole problem: why doesn't Poland just win brownie points (and EU cash) by accepting a few dozen thousand refugees and then washing its hands when they all sod off to Germany?

i know you dont understand..its called "principals"
right,how would you explain to homeless pole,sleeping rough in Warsaw,that some illegal violent africans gets free housing but he cant.huh?
and its not few thousands,its automatic relocation agreement that Poland would have no control once agreed. milion illegals potentialy
and what EU cash you talking about? 2k euro for one illegal african? he will cost 10 more a year and for life,and his 10 kids will live on walfare for life.

nothing to win here.need to stay out of this insanity

mafketis
10 May 2017  #3038

decided the wording of a convention signed three years before she was born?

The convention required her to try to make border control decision in other countries? Which convention is this again?

gregy741
10 May 2017  #3039

some good video about immigration and stats:
youtube.com/watch?v=6y4jrxRL808

jon357
10 May 2017  #3040

A tinpot dictatrix

That would be the Chancellor of Germany you're referring to. Probably the most highly respected democratically elected politician in the world.

Dirk diggler
10 May 2017  #3041

Many Germans are upset with her and afds success shows politics are changing. However with the changing demographics in Germany you'll see Muslim officials. The mayor of London is a Muslim immigrant. On the other hand a lot of native Germans and even some poles turks and others who have lived in Germany for generations worry about the amount of money being spent on refugees and the crimes and terrorism that came with unchecked immigration. She does appear to be running for reelection and shell probably win. Other bodies of government will prolly be a mix of parties.

jon357
10 May 2017  #3042

afds success

That 'success' would of course refer to their recent failure.

The mayor of London is a Muslim immigrant

Nope. London born and bred...

Dirk diggler
10 May 2017  #3043

Sorry he's second generation I believe. Nonetheless it just shows politics are changing and becoming more divisive. You have right wing conservatives vs liberals and the newly arrived immigrants

Afd is 3rd largest party in Germany...

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3044

Germany posses the perfect ingredients for demographic replacement
- Hitler complex
- Judging Eastern-Germans as "they are un-educated and too sheltered [White]"
- Eat up authoritarian government

They won't survive this current culture war. Germans will ultimately vote with their pocket books and this signifies to me a civilization that has given up. What can we personally do if Germans don't themselves feel their culture is important/quality enough to uphold?

delphiandomine
10 May 2017  #3045

That 'success' would of course refer to their recent failure.

The AfD only got 6% in Schleswig-Holstein on Sunday, and they're getting around 9-10% nationally at most.

Even in Hungary, Fidesz are down to 31% now, and Jobbik are only on around 14%.

It seems to me that European voters were completely disgusted by the way that Trump and his supporters carried out their campaign, and that their disgust is far more important than a few Muslims.

The only question is: if the alt-right movement fails in Europe, what replaces it? Will we see the re-emergence of hard left wing politics?

jon357
10 May 2017  #3046

becoming more divisive

Nothing 'divisive', about the London Mayor. He enjoys very wide support and is seen as a unifying figure. And is due to visit Poland very shortly.

Afd s 3rd largest party in Germany.

7th largest and falling. Plummeted in the polls...

Their Polish equivalent is even more of a failure.

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3047

It seems to me that European voters were completely disgusted by the way that Trump and his supporters carried out their campaign, and that their disgust is far more important than a few Muslims.

- Europeans perspective on Trump and his supporters is entirely shaped by CNN/BBC talking points

> "One of the things I think this administration hasn't figured out yet is that there's only one television network that is seen in Beijing, Moscow, Seoul, Tokyo, Pyongyang, Baghdad, Tehran, and Damascus - and that's CNN. The perception of Donald Trump in capitals around the world is shaped, in many ways, by CNN. Continuing to have an adversarial relationship with that network is a mistake," Zucker added.

- Significant portion of Western Europeans are more concerned with racism than cultural/demographic replacement. 70+ years of cultural marxism will have that effect.

jon357
10 May 2017  #3048

70+ years of cultural Marxism will have that effect.

Or just good education, common sense and decency.

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3049

Exactly, Western Europe is no longer focused on being the best. They are now focused on sharing a bed [or just their partner] with 3rd Worlders.

Google: cuckolding. It is only a Western phenomenon. This is what cultural marxism breeds.

jon357
10 May 2017  #3050

cuckolding

The insecurities and underlying psychology of anti-migration racist beta-males is plain for the eye to see.

Fortunately they aren't in charge here in Europe. We can look forward to some healthy migration here in Poland and it will be fun to watch some of them getting paranoid that 'their' women might make a better choice.

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3051

The insecurities and underlying psychology of anti-migration racist beta-males is plain for the eye to see.

Because I am disgusted by your degenerate and traitor Western ways? Arabs hate "your freedoms", Asians think you are morally corrupt and South Americans think you are gutless.

I would love to see your response if Poland imported millions of Zionist and unleashed them on your precious muslim/african community.

"that 'their' women might make a better choice." God bless you for not hiding your intentions. You want to destroy Poland but fortunately majority of Poles already knew this and that is why we vote Right

Dirk diggler
10 May 2017  #3052

Regardless of whether po or pis are in power there's not going to be a flood of mifrants/refugees from middle east and Africa like Germany and such. I believe Po agreed to take in a few thousand then pis went back on it. Polish people want to have the country homogenous but with a small assimilated foreign minority. We've taken in around a million Ukrainians migrants/refugees, I believe around 1k to 10k Chechens which is rising and some Catholics from the middle east. I'm all for helping people but when governments are exhausting resources to help foreigners more than their own citizens or at least that's how its perceived by many that's when tensions arise

jon357
10 May 2017  #3053

I am disgusted

Be disgusted. It suits you.

if Poland imported millions of Zionist

That sentence doesn't make much (or any) sense, however it certainly wouldn't be a bad thing to have more migration from Israel. For many people there, Poland is their homeland and there are of course ongoing property restitution issues.

It could be a return to Poland's pre-war glory days, when the population was relatively diverse.

that is why we vote Right

Not all of us. Some of us voted for more moderate parties, and the only neo-right party are currently falling in the polls here.

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3054

> Diversity

We already have diverse cultures within Europe. We do not need a single person outside of Europe. Have more faith in Europe and it's people.

jon357
10 May 2017  #3055

We do not need a single person outside of Europe.

Outside of Europe, you most certainly need more people due to the falling birth rate in your country and some others.

Much the same for us here in Poland.

Europe and it's people.

Growing healthily and becoming more diverse year on year. Very noticeable here in Warsaw and a change for the better.

Have faith in humanity.

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3056

Low birth rates is a blessing. Automation is coming. EU leadership has demonstrated they have no interest in re-educating the work force for this shift.

Crnogorac3
10 May 2017  #3057

Why isn't anyone calling for Israel to open its gates to hordes of Africans and Muslims.

Because Israel and America for their own selfish reasons initiated the exodus of Arabs and Muslims from the Middle East in the first place. EU like any good & obedient colony has to foot the bill, take them in and resettle them within it's own borders.

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Emptying the Middle East of Arabs paves the way for the creation of "Eretz Israel" (Greater Israel) that was promised to the Jews, that will include everything east from the river Nile in Egypt until the river Euphrates in Iraq (Mesopotamia).

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This project is drawn itself on the flag of the State of Israel, which shows two blue lines and between them the Star of David representing Zion.

nothanks
10 May 2017  #3058

^ Yup the ultimate payback for booting them out of Europe. But honestly considering how spineless and self hating Westeners are, it was probably just a matter of time before this occurred. Only 60 years is staggering though.

Crnogorac3
10 May 2017  #3059

youtube.com/watch?v=ESZN_YDE-TU

Ken O'Keefe Dares To Say What Others Do Not

Dirk diggler
10 May 2017  #3060

Yes there was another planned operation in the 80s to expand Israeli territory. I think it was called Odin yinon or something to that extent. Anyway Israel defeated its neighbors in the 60s and 70s when they invaded but at the same time Hezbollah had no trouble routing the idf

I'm for a two state solution. What the Zionists are doing to Palestinians is pure apartheid. Even jimmy carter wrote a book on this topic titled peace not apartheid.

Obama did at least verbally put Israel in check over settlements. Nonetheless the lobby and many Israel politicians are able to use their influence to silently continue building settlements. Us sends more aid to Israel than any other country - more than all African countries combined.. They have free healthcare education a developed economy this isn't a poor country..


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