Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Who cares? At least they've got it, a damned sight more than probably any other African capital, save for Johannisburg, perhaps:-)

Actually jon your Liberal Marxist promotions here are what you are confused with.
They go hand in hand especially when those uneducated women are pumping kids out by the dozen because Muhammad's pride grows every time one of his three wives pops one out.

A cab driver or kabb shop owner doesn't earn enough to support six or eight kids by three or four wives each so hello welfare at the expense of responsible people who are accountable for their lives.

People who have paid money into the system of their country so there would be some there to take care of them when they got old.

They did not work their ass off to pay money into the system for people who have never paid into the system who aren't even citizens of their country.

Funny how the working people feel about supporting other people spending THEIR money who have contributed notta.


It's the way it always has been throughout history so why do you liberal 'useful idiots' think it is going to change because of your ideology that has never worked nor ever will.

Are we back to that Marxist Socialism again where Socialism works great until the other guys money runs out which is exactly what is happening to Europe's economy.

You don't see White folk flocking to non White countries because ?


There is an epidemic of starvation in many of the African countries in case you have read that far yet.

..Europe ain't doin' too much better these days, fella! We're not back in the '50s or mid-'60's:-)

Ah yes, the thriving 50' and 60's before the take over by the Liberal Socialism propaganda started being taught in our schools.
I agree with you, that was the down fall to the mess we are in today.
Fortunately the pendulum is starting to swing back to the good old days where people knew how the food chain works.
DDD is for the uneducated and the CEO is for the educated.
The people of Poland will offer these DDD jobs to the economic invaders but aren't going to be willing to give up their jobs that pay modest wages to support their Polish families.

Quite. Not that the homogeneous past in Europe was ever the good old days that reactionary conservatives like to pretend it was.


Well...

You were probably just to young to remember jon.
Since then you have been brainwashed in your youth with Marxist propaganda that has been instilled so well in your reactionary thinking.
Those homogeneous days in the past were in a controlled environment and compared nothing to the economic invasion by the millions that Merkel welcomed.
Poland wants to keep it's culture of White Catholic's and want no part of their daughters breeding with people from a subculture.
You have to accept the fact that your personal beliefs have no influence on a country that you are an ex pat living in.
Wishful thinking on your part.

We don't have that here. People here struggled hard to lose a 'controlled environment'.


An irrelevance. You're trying to project insecurities from your own country onto us here.


Citizens in fact have quite a lot to do with the country in which they are citizens.

And Poland has signed up to the EU. Whether refugees will come now or later is by the by, since they will come.

Tell that to NoToForeigners and the other native Polish members who post here.
Only the "transplants" (ex-pats) are trying to change Poland's culture.


Now now jon, how many times have we heard the term "chocolate babies" on here by Polish members.
Poland's society on a whole is much more opinionated on what you call "insecurities" then America is by far.
How many mixed couples do you see in Poland compared to America.
Do you make this fake news up to promote your personal beliefs on others or what.
When Poland signed up for the EU they had no idea that they were going to be involved with Merkel's abortion.
Poland however will pick and choose which immigrants and how many will be allowed to enter Poland, not what he EU forces upon them.
As off the wall Crow gets sometimes he talks the truth about Poland eventually leaving the EU (when it falls) and creating a Serbian Union in which Poland would be the hub of it.

Then you tell us where the citizens of Poland would tell Merkel to put her Muslim immigrants jon.

Unofficially, Serbian Union, yes. But, essentially, that would be Great Poland. We may call it Intermarium or New Commonwealth.

Well isn't that the truth!

These Libs would turn Poland into a brainwashing community college safe room if you let them.

They claim to be accepting of everyone - the truth is they are the most divisive organization in the world!

Every Polish person Ive talked to said NO Way to allowing the refugees in.

Have you noticed these ex-pats don't seem to work at all?

They are on PF 18 hours a day, is there a Dole they can sponge off in Poland???

@johnny reb
You worry about your taxes and your social security system, and we will worry about ours here in Poland.

There are plenty of honest, decent Poles who also take from the system without contributing - that is how it works here. I can live with it.

There are a lot of them here in the U.S.A. too..........we call them Democrats who vote for a living and enjoy spending other people's money.

That is the central economic question of the 21st century. How can an economy be made to work with a stable or shrinking population (and of course a shrinking population should makee those concerned about climate control and the environment happy)


Is there any evidence whatsoever that young muslim men want to live with aging non-muslims and do their cleaning and cooking? Many aspects of muslim belief and/or practice would argue against that.....For example.....

islamqa.info/en/26788


Well, of course strict sex segregation leads to opportunistic homosexuality (like prisons, same sex schools ets) and this is broadly tolerated as long as it's kept secret (and young people eventually get married) and many individual muslims have de facto accepted less than literal interpretations of the koran or simply don't practice the religion much but nonetheless many important western values have little to no purchase there... and moving to Europe seems to strengthen the culture just in those places where it's most different from the West. I've read it's easier to be a completely non-observant muslim in Morocco or Pakistan than in Beligum or the UK....

Second request Jon ? Care to answer this question rather than answer it with another question ? I am genuinely curious as to your reasoning.@ spiritus[/quote]
@jon357

Third request Jon ? Please can you answer this question ?

Presumably because he's being paid to not answer it? (or more precisely answering it is not in his job description...)

Also, while I'm here.... revealed preferences are always more accurate than stated preferences.

Germany's stated preference is to "integrate" "refugees" who will contribute to German society. It's revealed preference is to get rid of as many of the 2015 "refugees" as possible. If they really represented such valuable human (social and educational) capital Germany would do everything it can to keep them. And.... it's not doing that.

State preference: Welcome refugees!

Revealed preference: Let's unload as many as we can somewhere else!

All the rest is rationalization.

"White left" is a derogatory term in China. :0

These are the two principal statements here. Very few people on this forum witnessed how Marxist Socialism worked in Poland. They may have read about it somewhere, but reading about it and living in the system are quite different things.

Comrade Lenin forged this very handy term: useful idiots for all the Western intelectuals who at the time supported the Bolshevik revolution. Forging this term was probably his greatest contribution to posterity. As far as I can remember the Bolsheviks were very tolerant towards homosexuality in the beginning of the revolution, gay bars were people could practiced free love were set up everywhere in Moscow, but all this has been abruptly stopped as soon as the Bolsheviks seized power. Gone was the freedom, but useful idiots have remained ever since.

And now these useful idiots tend to welcome the prospective Islamic "revolution" in Western Europe. Freedom, freedom, freedom for islamic immigration - those idiots shout as the liberal democracy in which they live allows them to do so.

Also see Tom Wolfe's "radical chic"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_chic

There's an old anecdote: How do we know Columbus was a Liberal Democrat? He didn't know where he was going, he didn't know where he was when he got there and he did it all for other people's money!

There you go Jon, peace love and harmony yeah. Be grateful you weren't born into Islam.

theguardian.com/world/2017/may/17/indonesian-court-sentences-two-gay-men-to-public-caning

The deluded social conservatives of Poland would love that, however in Europe it isn't going to happen - corporal and capital punishment (despite Kaczynski, Orban, Farage who'd love to see the rope brought back) don't survive.

Anyway, isn't there a special thread here for bigots to rant against people of the Muslim faith?

After all, Poland's poor response to the refugee crisis has nothing to do with that, except that so many of the people coming to Europe are doing so to get away from repressive conservative regimes...


Read the thread on Muslims properly and you'll find your rather weak question discussed at length.

Poles should sue EU for mental suffering because of pressure.

I am asking for your reasoning behind your belief. You have the time and motivation to post on this forum your own version of the facts but you continually sidestep questions when someone asks you politely to explain the beliefs that you're happy so happy to share with everyone on here.


Are you calling certain members on this forum "bigots" ? Can you please refrain from making personal attacks on board members ?

Never say never, until recently it wasn't happening in Indonesia either....


No it has to do with helping Germany maintain the facade that Merkel's 2015 decision to admit all comers to Europe was not a policy disaster that Europeans will be paying for for decades....

Why should Poland help Germans lie to themselves? Lying to oneself is the quickest road to hell possible (metaphorical, no the religious version).

Can sexual deviates be so stupid as not to know they will be at the head of the decapitation queue when the Muslim take-over occurs? But I reckon they can. Writers, artists and other educated individuals who should have known better including Picasso, Sartre, Joliot-Curie, John Reed, Walter Duranty and many others became willing defenders and agents of influence of Stalin, one of history's bloodiest tyrants.

Probablly better to listen to "Writers, artists and other educated individuals" than online bigots.

Who to trust, Angela Merkel or a random internet right-winger....

We need to backtrack before we even continue with a debate on this and agree on the definition of a "refugee".

Some of our friends on here will have us believe that every person who ends up arriving in Italy from Africa are fleeing for their lives. They will debate and dissect every detail related to Poland's perceived failure in accepting more "refugees" but they will side step the fundamental question as to what a refugee actually is and whether it is possible (or likely) that a large majority of these so-called refugees are in fact just migrants whose motivation is not to flee their home country out of fear for their lives but out of a desire to have an easier life.

There is nothing wrong in being an economic migrant. Every human has the right seek a better life for themselves but once it's accepted that some of them are migrants then the authorities need to stop treating them like refugees or asylum seekers and treat them like the illegal aliens that they really are (just as I would be if I tried to land in Australia without any paperwork).

Some of our friends on here will criticise Poland ad nauseum but intentionally ignore the white elephant in the room when it comes to this topic which is that the overwhelming majority of so-called refugees are young and male.

Or a 'desire' to escape grinding poverty caused by war, famine and exploitation.

Oh god yes, the way the words "refugee" and "immigrant" and "migrant" and "asylum seeker" are being used almost interchangeably is terrible and leads to muddled thinking (the goal of PC language is always to conceal and confuse).

The christmas market massacre, for example, was carried out by a smalltime crook who fled to europe to escape being put in jail lied about being a minor fell back into crime and was ALLOWED TO STAY IN EUROPE AND NOT MONITORED* four years later in 2015 when he made his way to Germany under the (implicit) Madame Merkel... and we know the rest.

If this is the type of "refugee" that Poland is supposed to accept then Merkel can go chase a cat (a more worthwhile activity than her recent political career in any event).

*yes, Tunisia showed very good sense in not allowing him to be repatriated and Europe showed no sense whatsoever in taking that as an answer....

Trying to be the gute Tante Angela in order to live down her Holocaust guilt complex is her own personal problem. She should not have dealt with it by creating a new mega-problem and then forcing others to help solve it.