Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Your words are golden brate. Poland still have time. And, guided by the Our Lord Jesus Christ, by its Slavic heritage, by spirit of Sarmatism, Poles and Poland shall endure and win.

Protect Her, save Her, defend Poland! No, not because she is better but simple, because She is Polish.

God save Slavdom!

Disagree. It will be Ireland. Mainly because we're so small. It's very hard to establish 'ghettos' or 'no-go' areas in a tiny country like ours, it's very hard to remain separate and our Muslim population has integrated well into mainstream society. I think it's been a major help that most of our Muslim population have attended Catholic schools where religion is still taught on a daily basis and therefore they've learned about the Christian faith first hand. They sit in class during the religion lessons and certainly when I was teaching the younger ones, most of them took an active part. They would sometimes give us their 'version' of things and I used to feel a bit faint at times as they launched into something about Jesus going up to Heaven on a white horse......I wasn't very clear on it but I had to put a stop to it as the look of confusion on the faces of the Irish children was a sight to behold. Oh yes, what a lovely story, now as God has given us such a beautiful day perhaps we could go to the yard a few minutes early :D They attended the other childrens' First Communion and Confirmations too. I would hope that that childhood bonding which involved participation in some way with the Christian faith would make a difference to the possiblity of being radicalised in later life.

Ireland has done a better job of assimilating migrants than many other countries though. Also the society seems to have a pretty good grasp on Islamic terrorism. I can't remember the last time I heard about some wahabis blowing themselves up or terror cell being busted.

Also Jesus is considered one of the prophets like Moses Abraham etc in the Koran so most Muslims don't have an issue with Jesus/Moses/Noah/etc being praised but not worshipped as that's typically reserved for Muhammad and Allah. Its only the Talmud that has hatred and contempt for Jesus.

Also keep in mind assimilation is subjective. Where one person would consider a Muslim shop keep in molenbeek to be assimilated because he pays his taxes, sends his kids to a local school, but nonetheless primarily speaks arabic and has a long beard and tunic. I think if the eu devoloped a standardized set of what is considered assimilated and put forth a program to assimilate migrants without infringing on their rights and privacy I think it'd help a lot.

There will always be a group of people who wish to keep their culture going and that's fine but if you want to live in a foreign country you ought to contribute and assimilate into the society. No one is saying cut your beard and bulldoze the local mosque but at least learn the language, pay taxes, join local groups in the community, etc. At the same time though it's a delicate dance because the group may feel they're being forced to change or yet another group will feel that too much funds and effort is being spent to help foreigners at the cost of programs and services the natives were use to. Its a turd sandwich and it looks like almost everyone in Europe is going to have to take a bite.

Serbian media says that terrorist from Manchester was ISIS member Salman Abedi, 22 years old. He was known to British police earlier but, they let him walk free.

If so, then blood of that children goes on UK police, as well as on UK government.

Attack? Nothing to see here folks. Stay focused: we most import more

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Every dog gets one bite, every wannabe terrorists gets one attack before the police do anything.

And the scum was the son of refugees. The UK gave them shelter and they gave the UK a religiously motivated child killer in return..... welcome refugees?

He's not the only politician to say that... Some swedes and Germans are using a similar line of thats just life here now. Its a lazy excuse not to do more about terrorism..

The police do foil a lot of plots but as the cliche goes the terrorists only need to be successful once. This is more than a policing issue...

Lofgren, I believe, has vowed to take a much more conservative tack on terrorism after what happened several months prior in Stockholm!

After all, it was Palme who started the bloody trend anyhow some thirty years ago or so, probably why he was bumped off:-)

Can I ask what have the Catholic schools had to give back in return ? I am presuming that halal food will be served at school meal times to cater for the muslim children ? As often is the case it then becomes an economic decision to convert all the meat supply to halal.

the thread should focus on Poland

I agree. UK anyway left EU and fortunately don`t share same political realm with Poland. True, its just partly fortunate because one can hardly say where is worse- in UK or in EU.

I honestly don't think that Brexit had a blessed thing to do with the attack in Manchester.

I agree. To prove that they approaching equally to UK and EU, no matter all occasional cooperation with those conglomerates, ISIS terrorist would dedicate same care and attention to UK and to EU.

So, Polexit seams inevitable.

For that matter, why not an entire Eurexit, Crow??! Leave us not allow ourselves to lose our moorings and be released from the gravitational pull of sanity!!!

When 20 young girls are killed by a religious maniac and people's first concern is backlash against other followers of the religion then sanity has already been left behind.

The first and psychologically healthy reaction to Manchester is white hot anger and a demand for justice. Anything else simply means more little girls getting killed (or accepting the violent deaths of young girls as the price of living in a modern multi-cultural society).

Anger, yes. But, direct it first on UK and other western European governments, on magnates behind those governments. It is them who made all this insanity possible. It was their idea to destroy sovereign countries and then mix people from entirely different worlds together. What kind of experiment it was. Such a cruelty. They for sure knew what would happen. Maybe even desired and orchestrated. Disgusting.

@admin-If you're allowing Atch's comments about integration in Ireland then I should be allowed to respond to her post. The point I was trying to make was that muslim integration isn't always all it seems and often involved the host having to give more than it takes which is ultimately relevant to this entire thread

I completley agree. The issue here is that Poland not having much experience itself with middle eastern refugees (and or sizeable muslim communities) the experience of countres where both are more familiar is _completely_ on topic.

I also agree. Motivation of my every post here is Poland. How could Poles understand if they are prevented to know about Shquiptars, Irish, UK, etc. So, it would be nice if pan brat Admin return our posts in places.

You must be joking. The line which has always been taken in Irish schools is that it's a Catholic school, it's an Irish school, the children have to adapt accordingly. We don't generally serve school meals except for sandwiches and fruit but basically the Muslim kids would have the cheese or tuna sandwiches usually. I don't remember any issues about food except for a few kids who wouldn't eat sweets if they were being handed out in case they contained gelatine. In secondary schools, each school has its own policy about girls wanting to wear the hijab and many schools have no policy at all. They just deal with it as it arises. Certainly permission has to be sought by the parents from the school principal. Some schools don't allow it to be worn in class but the girls can wear it at breaktimes - typically Irish that :)

@Mods, I know that at times I may appear to be harping on about Ireland but it is very relevant in this discussion as we're talking about the impact of Muslim immigration into a Catholic country and it's natural to draw comparisons. I've explained one of the reasons why it hasn't been an issue in Ireland. However there have been Muslims in Ireland for about 50 years, pretty much all well educated professionals and although some more lowly ones came in recent years to escape various problems in their homelands, they were coming to a politcally stable country where there was already an established, if small, Muslim community which set the tone for how to live within Irish society. Also they came gradually over several decades.

It's a very different situation in Poland where firstly you have a large country with many issues of its own regarding political stablity and a strong right wing element, a country with many divisions and disagreements within its own parliament and now the prospect of an influx of Muslim immigrants at a time when Islamic fundamentalists are wreaking havoc in Europe.

Sorry I just saw this. What are your referring to C3? Do you mean the accession of Ireland to the then EEC back in 1972? That was the first and was successful. There have been numerous others on various EU matters all of which have been passed by the Irish people except for the Lisbon Treaty which went to the vote a second time with amendments to guarantee Irish neutrality and control over our own abortion laws. At present the attitude in Ireland amongst the general population is strongly pro-Europe. Referendums in Ireland are a serious matter and are put before the people when any change to the constitution of Ireland is proposed, they are not used to gauge the mood of voters like an opinion poll.


But it only wants to do that when it suits them, when they believe the majority is in agreement with their own policies.

Isn't that what all governments everywhere do? They always pretend or try to show they are governing in sync with the popualr mood, whether or not that is the case. That's what good, generously paid government spokesmen, PR specialists and poltical-image advisers are for.

Exactly that's why I think this left/right divide is a tad ridiculous. Politicians will say and do anything to gain votes, gain power, gain influence, etc. Then once they've won they don't care about the voters till the next election cycle. Look at all the things trump backed out on and all the things Hillary flip flopped on during her career - gay marraige, Iraq war, hating/loving obama, etc

@Polonius3
These spin doctors are often times more powerful than the politicians since they have control behind the scenes. Just look at how manafort, a guy who neither speaks Russian nor ukranian, utterly changed the geopolitical landscape in ukraine, carefully vetted politicians who would be loyal to putin, made millions of dollars in the process then went back to the us once a pro eu president won in ukraine, his pro putin candidate fled to russia and a war kicked off shortly after.

To many its war, revolution, dead bodies... To the few in these circles its merely politics

Now poland feels the effects of a million migrants due to a guy like manaforts manuevering.

IMO the big master plan is for citizens to not only accept but actually demand more surveillance. You create a problem (mass migration), fix it and profit.
Government will sell our private information and our likes/dislikes to companies.

That's already happened... Wikileaks documents along with files from Google nsa etc show that...

There is a ridiculous amount of money to be made off of guns cameras bullet proof vests apcs etc its too much for corps and government to give up.. It feeds consultants lobbyists corporate managers all making 6 7 figs a year and shareholders along w the usual workers soldiers guards paid basiiocally a poverty wage. Its a sad system

On one hand it is good bc it helps catch the really bad criminals and terrorists.

The war on terrorism i would thus argue is one of The largest self perpetuating cons pulled on society

^ Good points Dirk

Polish couple died in Manchester attack - foreign minister

Expected given how many Poles are in England

ABSOLUTELY !
I would have to say the money that was/is being made on the "War on Drugs" failure.
The government themselves started this so called war which was not a war at all.
The judges, attorneys, the private prisons, the government all are making huge profits at the tax payers expense while collecting personal information.
Remember 'Money for guns, guns for drugs, drugs for money' and start all over again. (Read the book "Barry and the Boys" that I think was banned in America.

The War on Drugs has been a sad failure so now they started a War on Terrorism that they themselves again created and supported.
They have seen how creating and supporting these "Wars" have made themselves a huge amounts of money while slowly conditioning the people to a One World Order where no one has any privacy at all.

In doing so they will have COMPLETE control of humanity.
That is why the U.S.A. and the EU and the Bilderberg's and Rothschild's are all about and sooner or later will force Poland to co operate just like they have done to the rest of the EU and world.

You can't really totally defeat a partisan guerilla terrorist type group either so it's a perfect never ending strategy. Its the same thing now in Europe the middle east America just about everywhere there are terrorists lumped into one ideology or another. It just happens to be Islamic terrorism now in Europe.

The drug war has just evolved. The courts basically just make people pay exorbant fines and will typically put in prison, another racket, the most violent large scale dealers, cartel, gang, etc. The people who use especially marijuana are way more main stream now and some states have taken advantage of that by taxing it.

Well, well, well

All Serbian media rapports about honest words of brave Polish PM Shidlo who told to EU, that Europe must rise from its knees....... and, that Poland won`t accept blackmailing by EU to accept refugees...

I went to your link Crow however it was written in Serbian print.
You speak much better English then I do Serbian so I was at a loss.


That is exactly what it is Crow, blackmailing to drag everyone else down with her.
When Poland signed up for the EU it did not sign away it's rights to preserve it's culture because of Merkel's stupidity.

My utmost respect goes out to the Polish people for telling Merkel that Independent Poland is not some kind of a puppet show that she can manipulate with blackmail.

Stand Strong Poland !