Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

I am now absolutely clear with fact that Poland wants to brake free. This leadership of Poland isn`t false. Its serious. Its just speed of moves that I didn`t understood.

And spot rhetoric of official Poland. Its exactly in between Hungary`s and Serbia`s path. So, it shows that Poland, as bigger system, moving slower, while have secured flanks by Hungary and Serbia which also act as a first line (moving forward and flanking Poland, at a same time). Rear position holds Slovakia and Czech republic. At a critical moment flanks would create maneuverable space for Poland to move to acquire her responsibilities at a central position and, then, as a united front, as mighty arrow Visegrad Group and Serbia would openly state their demands - Intermarium.

Its also clear to me, by obvious political signs, that Poland have support of Vatican, Russia, China and USA.

Having all this in mind, in other words, western Europe (ie EU) can literally b*** to Poland.

some very interesting data regarding "refugees" by Frontex EU border agency
documentcloud.org/documents/3531244-Frontex-Triton-Analytical-Report-December-2016.html
main nationalities" Nigeria,Gambia,marocco,Senegal,Sudan,Bangladesh ,Eritrea. NGO involved in criminal trafficking ect.

Trump arrived today at the European Union headquarters in Brussels at NATO's new $1.2 billion new headquarters for meetings with the union's leaders.
Trump will encounter huge protests where he is unpopular.
Brussels is a city where Trump said, "making a home would be like living in a hellhole" because of Muslim immigration and terror threats.
Trump will meet with the leaders of an alliance he threatened to abandon as he will address a continent anxious about his support.
Trumps meeting today in Brussels will tell just where America stands with Poland and the rest of the EU.
Trump will get to meet face to face over lunch with Macron, who has been critical of Trump which should be most interesting.
"I think you can expect the president to be very tough on them, saying, "Look the U.S. is spending 4 percent. We're doing a lot."

The 28 member nations, plus soon to join Montenegro, will renew an old vow to move toward the 2 percent figure for defense by 2024.
Only five members currently meet the target: Britain, Estonia, debt-laden Greece, Poland and the United States, which spends more on defense than all the other allies combined.

Trump also said he thought it would be "a very important step" for NATO to join the 68-nation international coalition fighting the Islamic State.
"It's totally out of the question for NATO to engage in any combat operations," NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on the eve of the meeting.

Then why the hell should the rest of us protect your countries is my question.
This meeting should answer a lot of questions for the future of Poland and the rest of the EU.
Stay tuned Crow.

Fall of EU started in Bosnia, in period 1991-1995, while last agony of EU happened on Kosovo 1998-1999. EU died there when western Europe started to sponsor radical islamists against Slaveno-Christian Serbs. I told long time ago on this forum- Poles won`t neither forget, neither forgive that to western Europe. Exactly that happening. Masks falling down.

"British" Muslims In Bosnia Describe Their "Jihad Against The Serbs"
youtube.com/watch?v=FfHrCxCq-ms

Mujahideen in Bosnia
youtube.com/watch?v=W6WWgaJmPYc

7th Muslim brigade, Army of the republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina
youtube.com/watch?v=FdPYRPKHcFM

EXCLUSIVE - Bosnia: Islamic state group prime recruitment hotbed in Europe
youtube.com/watch?v=GVBou6cAbf0

Bosnia: Cradle of modern jihadism? BBC News
youtube.com/watch?v=M6QIopgwuIU

I preparing huge deposits of pop-corn and bier in my vaults. That for now. Later, we shall see, when party move to be warmer, if you understand me

yea..and this last terrorist from Manchester was al nusra afiiliated "regime change" fighter.. al nusra that is heavily funded and armed by Britain.Brits though ,they can take Saudis money and forget about all mess they create in middle east,thinking its too far to reach Britain.well.cameron has blood of those kids on his hands.but what is life of few kids compared to beautiful Shard skraper they got from Quataris.and other goodies

Are you suggesting this "Holy War" of terrorism and invasion of Muslim immigrants will help escalate the economy crash of the EU ?
When that happens it should be a cake walk for the invaders to finish off their goal of the Islamic take over.
Hopefully Poland will only get caught up in it minimumally and will be able to keep their Polish Catholic culture.

I just telling you there would be war. Real war. Man, ISIS camps are 400 km from my city. From Poland, I guess less then 1000 km.

Serbia increasing reserve army for up to 170.000. With regular army it is about 250.000 troops at stand by, cutting edge tech equipment.


sponsors losing control over the game. That`s it. That`s how western Europe collaborated with Turks in middle ages and then Poland reacted. Then, that same western Europe stubbed Poland in the back. Nope, not this time. Sure Poland would react but, not naively relying even 1% on western Europe. Only on Serbians and Hungarians. Then, there would be money flow as we please.


Yes. For false culture, life of child means nothing.

Didn't NATO also bomb Montenegro (or czarna gura as its often referred)? Funny how a country joins NATO despite being bombed by then some 20 years ago. To my understanding this issue seems to be split down the middle between montenegrins - half supporting half not.

On another note I love how szydlo stated she will nor allow poland to be blackmailed into taking in refugees/migrants. I wish though instead she would have pointed out that poland has already taken in more than its fair share of Ukrainians and issued well over a million work permits. Just like the so called refugees, a portion of the Ukrainians coming are truly fleeing the war in the east but most are simply coming for economic reasons.

I am fond of the visegard 4 group but wish it grew to include more Slavic and eastern European countries like Serbia Montenegro perhaps ukraine Romania

On a side note there is documented proof that al nusra fighters get treated in Israeli hospitals if they get injured in Syria.

Whether discussing al nusra Taliban FARC sandanistas PLO or any other type of 'terrorist' guerilla fighter group regardless of their ideology a saying applies very well - one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist

Montenegro`s NATO membership represent effort of corrupt (by NATO leading powers) last Europe`s communist dictator and tobacco mafia lord Milo Djukanovic and his clique.

Before this crisis in the region finish Montenegro would, with other free Serbian lands, again join with Serbia. Policy of Serbians is neutrality on global military alliances. Visegrad seams to be only solution if it go out of NATO.

The problem is that none of the aforementioned countries are able to govern themselves adequately without constant internal disagreements and turmoil. The chances of them being able to co-operate with each other on the level that EU states have done for the past decades is absolutely nil. There is a lot of vague waffle about some kind of federation of Slavic states but what does that mean in practice? What form would it take and how would it work in everyday terms? And rather importantly, who is going to fund it? Do you really think Poland wants or would benefit from taking on the poverty and social problems of Romania when its own house is still not in order? Another problem is that many of those countries still have a war-mongering tendency and before you know it, some kind of common defence policy would mean thousands of Polish troops going like lambs to the slaughter for some ludicrous nationalistic ideology that belongs in the medieval period.

By the way I've mentioned this before but it's worth mentioning it again, Poland didn't vote with the other Visegrad nations on the refugee quotas despite having agreed beforehand to do so. So they broke their word basically just as they do with the EU where they sign up to things and then think they can cherry-pick what they want from it. And that's the kind of thing that would happen over and over again between all the Slavic nations if they tried to form a federation.

`Miracle of Belgrade` is what some consider to be event from last night when one Mosque vanished.

back on topic please

thank you. Poland guides me.


Uh, uh, what a level of prejudices inserted by mainstream media. I assure you that Serbia right now stands better the UK or France, for example. Far better.


foreigners meddling but, it would be alright at the end.

Crow, the fact that the Slavic nations, after what they've been through have survived almost to the point of resurrecting themselves like Jesus himself is admirable. But they are not individually strong enough yet to work together as a cohesive unit. In time, that may be so, but it's a long way down the road. Poland itself, which has the largest and arguably strongest economy is still being mentored and assisted by the World Bank with many of its redevelopment projects. Fifty years from now, maybe, some kind of federation, but for God's sake, keep it small and manageable.

Actually, its not a big deal. Every race, culture, same as every individual, have instinct for survivor and self-preservation. That is the case with White race and Western culture and, so there are Slavs.


Everything`s gonna be alright, I assure you. We Slavs aren`t just capable to statehood, we are even civilization giving culture. At least, that`s what I told to two Spanish female journalists, one summer evening, at the bar of my weekend house, near the coast of Danube. They beloved me. Oh, they believed me everything. Sure, I was idiot enough not to keep them over night and show them some more nice things.


It would be what require historical moment. No more, no less.

Crow dear, may I remind you that you are speaking to a 'lady' :)


I think it is very frustrating for Slavs that due to the way history panned out, their influence and contribution has been effectively wiped from the pages of western history books and now certain ignorant people in the west seem to think that the Slavic nations were uncultivated peasants who were taken over by Communists and are now grateful for crumbs from the EU table. However, I assure you Crow that many western people don't think that way, are curious about the cutlure and are very open to being friendly with the Slavic nations.

If you are a lady you would have just ignored it.

Poland like the rest of the world is watching and being re enforced of why our countries to not want them.

CAIRO- Masked gunmen attacked a group of Coptic Christians in southern Egypt on Friday, killing 26 people and wounding 26 others as they were driving to a monastery, medical sources and eyewitnesses said.

Thin ice Johnny. Being married to a Slav myself I know that the best of them are true gentlemen. Crow is quite chivalrous in his own way and although, being a hot-blooded Slav, I'm sure he enjoys a bit of a flirtation with the ladies, he wouldn't be that vulgar about it. That was clearly a comment he'd make to one of the lads so I was reminding him of my gender.

Nice to know it. And I am Serbian


My lady, its time that now others feel frustration. Not that I insist. Its just what they did to itself. For sure we Slavs (ie Sarmatians, ie Thracians, ie Celts, etc) won`t wait for others to write history for us. That era is behind us.


Wise from them.


Why? Its so cute. So womanly. Like touching the hair by instinct. I like it. Nice to know that human beings still react naturally, woman as woman and man as man. One of things because I like my Slavic kind.


Yes, I heard for that. Horrible. RiP.


Thanks, white rose.


Oh, my regards to your husband and all that ...

Last call to get back on topic

Then let me add. EU is disgusting anti-Slavic conglomerate and needs to stop pressuring Poland and other Slavs or would face same destine as Austro-Hungaria.

@Atch

Well the EU certainly permitted travel for Romanians. Most of those who planned to leave fled to the wealthier countries. Now Ukrainians have visa free travel around Europe too yet millions chose to go to poland rather than say Belgium or Denmark where they'd make more money.

There's a big rift between eastern and western Europe... Always has been and probably always will be. The west has always been wealthier and poland joined the eu to get in on some of that wealth - same with Romania Hungary etc.

If the rift continues and people like macron and Merkel make demands of Poland and the visegard 4 while I don't think they'd leave the eu anytime soon but they'll certainly be looking more towards its eastern neighbors for strategic partnerships. Many poles already feel their sovereignty is threatened but most aren't ready to give up eu membership. What happens in the future is anyone's guess.

If on one hand the ruling eu nations and their politicians keep making demands of Poland to accept Muslim migrants the more poles will be upset regardless of whether po or pis is in charge. In that case they'll seek a counterbalance to the large rich eu nations by strengthening visegard 4 and perhaps expanding it. On the other hand if the money keeps flowing, threats to cut off eu funds don't materialize, and the migrant crisis dies down then poland will continue to seek to strengthen ties with the west.

The historical friendsbip between Hungary and poland is undeniable so perhaps yes under the right circumstances visegard 4 could be more and more important to poland, hungary, czechy and Slovakia who are all close and perhaps these countries would bring in their buddies. Just like the eec, eu, NATO the group would spell out specific regulations to adapt to the present situation and anticipate the future. I'm sure immigration and migration within the visegard would be included in this agenda as well as economic development.

Er, you do know how long Ukrainians have had visa free travel in the EU for, don't you?

Yes it's a very recent development. Still though most Ukrainians chose poland over other eu countries and more Ukrainians continue to come in. Yes Poland's handing out of work permits certainly helped but they could've made just as much, most likely even more, if they worked similar low wage unskilled jobs in the west.

If a Ukrainian family really wanted to get to Germany or Belgium or wherever in Europe prior to visa free travel they could have. If a guy from Bangladesh or the Gambia can make it to Germany, sweden, etc from his home country I'm sure a Ukrainian also can whether its through official or unofficial channels. Where there's a will there's a way.

Exactly. For that credit to Ukrainians. They sense disaster of western Europe and consider Poland to be healthy. Very wise from them.

No they sense that a Polish working visa doens;t work in western Europe.

By the way has anyone know why in Poland so many people that look like 'syrian' refugees'?What gives?

Educational institutions turning into diploma mills and trying to stay afloat by taking inflated fees and promising degrees to those from the sub-continent - more shame on them!

Here I was thinking they are on they way to Germany or Poland developed porous borders.

@Ironside

Perhaps they may be chechens? Poland took in quite a few. They tend to like Poland though and the ones I've met are really putting forth the effort to assimilate.

I haven't seen a whole lot of Muslims around my area but theres certainly more kebab stands and Mediterranean type restaurants than there were some 5 10 years ago. Back then there was like only 1 Egyptian type restaurant in the rynek. They're noticeable since they don't look like most poles. The largest foreign group is by far Ukrainians in Poland. Most have a look that could pass for polish but some have a face (especially the eyes and lips) that looks more russian.

Now that I think about it I don't think I've ever seen a woman in a hijab in poland.

A lot of Poles have looks like that too, from German to Pole to Ukrainian to Russian are all very blurry lines, there are distributional not absolute differences in looks.