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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Vox
10 Sep 2015  #781

Yes, my grandfather was a political refugee (in the 1930's)

I understand, a third generation of revolutionaries and Marxists, making good living from preaching their commie faith. Most people don't care for prattling of a privileged woman with too much time on her hands and with nothing sensible to say.

Why don't your put money where your mouth is and go to Syria or other northern African country to help those people?

jon357
10 Sep 2015  #782

Or is your hilarity only mono-directional?

Sadly PiS are running high in the polls so it looks like their forthcoming failure to handle Poland's response to the humanitarian crisis will evoke a wonderful mix of schadenfreude and mirth all round. But as usual it will be the people who suffer, both refugees who have it bad enough anyway and us in Poland who would like it to be a strong presence in Europe.

Crow
10 Sep 2015  #783

Freedom to Poles, down with EU !

johnny reb
10 Sep 2015  #784

Just wait until you see the pictures from the anti - refugee march to be held in Warsaw on September 12th
They are expecting over 50,000 now.

Russia is in Syria now. Maybe they'll do a better job than your boys.

Well we know they will do a better job then your boys.
What country you from Polson to talk so arrogant ?

Crow
10 Sep 2015  #785

i am against vulgar and after all false racism that is proposed by the western Europe and USA. We Slavs have to be above that. Our civilization is far older. We shall know how to protect our gene pool and our ways of life, without disgracing our honor by humiliating weak and suffering. We Slavs should act to decrease miserly of those refugees who are nothing but guest in OUR house. Yes, they are guest in agony, not themselves responsible for what happening to them and, we Slavs are noble. After all, their countries were destroyed by same people who for eons humiliated and used to attacking us Slavs. So, we should let them stay for some time on our lands (those who ask for it and in number that is acceptable to us), under our conditions and then they would have to go back to their homes one day. If not to their homes then we have to make a deal with some Islamic countries to accept that people, with us helping in the process.

So, by our conditions, not by the conditions of the western Europe (ie EU) and USA.

Just wait until you see the pictures from the anti - refugee march to be held in Warsaw on September 12th
They are expecting over 50,000 now.

i support the march.

Dougpol1
10 Sep 2015  #786

Again tree-huggers are leading us all to disaster...

All will be resolved at the meeting in Brussels on Monday, one way or another.

If Poland and the other three central European States ask for an adjournment on the vote ( and that is a given), or actually vote no, my (limited) understanding of the process is that mandatory fines will come into play in double quick order, as well as other negative consequences, such as limited response to the Ukrainian problem, and the rest - the standing of these new European Union states in the business world is not be to sniffed at, and a problem when you look at your country's trustworthiness and status from the suppliers' point of view. (Meaning, the Polish supplier - the business person - is not going to be sleeping this weekend because the Polish politicians want to do him up like a kipper)

Bad times ahead for Poland on this subject I fear.

i think that is global war inevitable.

Calm down Crow. It's a few hundred thousand foreigners. They need our help. Nobody is going to bomb Moscow. A lot of good for humanity is actually going to come out of this refugee crisis. The Middle classes of Europe (not only the sauerkraut eaters) will all learn from it, and the youngsters can learn about REAL history, rather than pointless nationalism about Mieszko and Sobieski.

It's a very stark reminder of the horrors that Europe experienced in the Second World War.
Because I am in a good mood, and not because the American owners of this forum are peculiar in their bans, I will forget to mention that you as a Serb should be particulary apologist on the subject of refugees.

I and millions of others here in this democratic and decent country of Poland fear that "your man Duda" and his lot are destined to do great harm to Poland's standing in the Union.

Polonius3
10 Sep 2015  #787

All will be resolved at the meeting in Brussels

Nothing will be resolved... High-sounding speeches will be delivered, debates will take place, maybe some deciisons will be reached and perhaps even a roadmap will be announced. But regardless of what the EU and indivudal memberds states do or not do, things will only get worse. Rzeczpospolita summed it up today most concisely when it said: The refugee flow will not stop.

It is comparable only to flowing hot lava. You can build a barrier to stop it, but it will find a way round the obstacle following the path of least resistance. No matter what is done at present, it will all be too little too late!

in the Union.

The Union will be among the first victims of the refugee onslaught. Europe will be next. You seem to grossly underestimate the huge impact this crisis will create. You make it sound as if it'll be a nice lesson about humanitarian response for kiddies in a Sunday school class. A year from now, you will not recognise your old Europe.

Dougpol1
10 Sep 2015  #788

Rzeczpospolita summed it up today most concisely when it said: The refugee flow will not stop.

Ah - the voice of Polish business...... I always wondered how it is that I can easily understand the gist on articles in that rag, until I realised It must be because the new Polish businessman can't understand an intellectual premise, so the writing has to be simplistic. So in all fairness we can't expect him to actually have anything radical to say on the subject - when he should be leading the debate ( and in a positive way of course!)

Polonius3
10 Sep 2015  #789

anything radical to say

Your sophistry is par for the course, but contrary to appearances that statement -- The refugee flow will not stop -- is actually a very accurate diagnosis. You will become increasignly convinced of that in the days and weeks ahead. The vastness of the new, unstoppable migration crisis overwhelms all EU or national-govenrment attempts not only to resolve it, which is now impossible, but even to slow or cotnain it. It transcends logistics, defies screening atttempts and makes all humanitarian aid a mere drop in the ocean. Something equivalent to World War Three is definitely a distinct possibility in the none-too-distant future.

cutting off his support from Russia and Iran

Maybe so, but far easier said than done!

Crow
11 Sep 2015  #790

Polonius3, i do respect your confidence in moral values of NATO, the US and EU. But, you shall soon found out how are those conglomerates exhausted in historical and cultural sense. Money goes first there. That i again understand as economist. Efficiency above everything, yes. Still, efficiency isn`t enough to keep civilization running. That example what Serbians giving is what is comprehend to be real authentic European culture, real demonstration of Western values. Those Serbs demonized in mass media of so called west, openly attacked in alliance with mujaheedines of Islamic league, kicked like dirty dogs. Those Serbians, betrayed and forgotten best allied partners that USA, Britain and France ever had in this part of the world.

Grzegorz_
11 Sep 2015  #791

"Now time to think how Poland can do the decent thing."

Don't drag people to a poor country they have no clue about.

jon357
11 Sep 2015  #792

Don't drag people to a poor country they have no clue about.

Who's dragging anyone? And why do you think that Poland doing the right thing involves 'dragging' people anywhere?

G (undercover)
11 Sep 2015  #793

Do you seriously believe there will be 12 thousand people in these crowds that will really want to live in Poland ? If they knew they would end up here, they would stay where they were, in Turkey in most cases.

jon357
11 Sep 2015  #794

Do you think that 'want' comes into it that much in a humanitarian crisis of this scale?

G (undercover)
11 Sep 2015  #795

"Do you think that 'want' comes into it that much in a humanitarian crisis of this scale?"

So you don't give a feck what they want, just bring it here so that it can make you feel better ?

jon357
11 Sep 2015  #796

So much misunderstanding there from you Grzegorz, either deliberate or through your ignorance. Do you think that 'want' comes into it when fleeing a war?

mafketis
11 Sep 2015  #797

Do you think that 'want' comes into it that much in a humanitarian crisis of this scale?

Boy you're hilarious.

Why stay in the war torn poversty stricken hell hole that is Denmark when Sweden is close by?

helocal.dk/20150910/danish-police-allow-refugees-to-continue-on-to-sweden

Please note that well under a fourth of refugees sent to Denmark have registered as refugees there. These people have shown again and again that they know where they want to go and they're not going to let borders or laws stop them.

Again, how are you going to keep them in Poland when Germany's just an open border away?

jon357
11 Sep 2015  #798

Denmark? Sweden? These people have fled the war in Syria and you're whining about the various stops on the way. A bit like moaning that Polish displaced persons at the end of the war wanted to go to one country and not the other...

mafketis
11 Sep 2015  #799

These people have fled the war in Syria

I would say they fled a bunch of peaceful countries too.

you're whining about the various stops on the way

No. I'm pointing out that they're not liable to accept repatriation in a country not of their choice. These are not beaten down defeated people, they're very assertive about their preferences and don't let laws get in their way.

Again, how are you going to keep them in Poland when the German border is open?
I keep asking and no one has an answer, the more determined they are to bring a bunch of Syrians (and hangers on) into Europe the less answers they seem to have about what to do when they're here.

G (undercover)
11 Sep 2015  #800

"A bit like moaning that Polish displaced persons at the end of the war wanted to go to one country and not the other..."

******** as usual. They were searching across the world for countries willing to accept them. They weren't wandering in crowds like damn Huns violating x borders before reaching a country "rich enough".

Would you be so supportive too If a million of Ukrainians did the same thing ? Y/N ? And why.

Harry
11 Sep 2015  #801

******** as usual. They were searching across the world for countries willing to accept them.

Really? Historical reality seems to very much disagree with your version. Feel free to have a read of this rather pertinent piece of legislation: legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/10-11/19/contents

johnny reb
11 Sep 2015  #802

That was written for war refugees Harry, not economic refugees and terrorists to infiltrate.

mafketis
11 Sep 2015  #803

So...... once more, why should Poland go along with the mad German plan to "accept refugees" who won't want to stay here, especially if the borders are unguarded?

Any answers?

G (undercover)
11 Sep 2015  #804

legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/10-11/19/contents"

LOL !

"The Polish Resettlement Act 1947 was the first ever mass immigration legislation of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It offered British citizenship to over 200,000 displaced Polish troops on British soil who had fought against Nazi Germany and opposed the Soviet takeover of their homeland. The act also supplied a labour force to the demands of war-torn Britain."

And that "proves" what ? In order to get similar events, those Poles residing in the safe country that was Britain (Turkey) would have had to jump into the boats, land in France (Greece/Hungary) illegally cross French border, over there start riots If the French tried to "register" them and move in crowds to let's say Switzerland (Germany) again illegally crossing another border because... they didn't like Britain, they want to live in Switzerland and no damn racist can forbid that :))))))))))) They are refugees from Soviet controlled Poland, so it's their God given right to be where they want and once on the way administration of some country do not provide enough buses to pick the up, they will start riots :))) Come one, even you should be able to understand that these people are simply economic immigrants, illegal ones.

jon357
11 Sep 2015  #805

once more, why should Poland go along with the mad German plan to "accept refugees" who won't want to stay here,

Once more, the final shape of the help that it will be Poland's duty to provide is not yet established. The humanitarian crisis is still in its earliest days. The best is yet to come.

Avalon
11 Sep 2015  #806

The best is yet to come.

As a German ministry spokesman said yesterday, "160,000 is just the beginning, we must be prepared to accept many more".

Again just now on the mid-day news. Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Poland have reiterated their non-compliance in accepting quotas of refugees. Morally right or wrong, these are Sovereign nations and although the EU may have its president, flag and national anthem, it is not a country and has no right to tell other countries what to do. You can argue that these countries accepted development funds from Brussels, but billions of Euros have also been given to many other countries, Egypt, Ukraine and others who are not even member states.

Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany. I feel sure that the Germans would rather see this money used in a different way.

G (undercover)
11 Sep 2015  #807

"Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany. I feel sure that the Germans would rather see this money used in a different way."

It's getting ridiculous to the point that soon even some from the PC crowd will understand that something is seriously messed up here.

Roger5
11 Sep 2015  #808

Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques in Germany.

Interesting. Where did you read that?
The Saudis are indirectly responsible for a great deal of harm. The madrasas they fund in Pakistan and elsewhere have groomed two generations of fanatics (as well as, I'm sure, perfectly peaceful Muslims). They throw their huge wealth about to promote their extreme form of Islam without understanding that ISIL are the inevitable consequence of this kind of teaching. Poland should also be wary of Saudi gold. I could tell a tale of their 'generosity' in BiaƂystok.

BBman
12 Sep 2015  #809

Germany is getting a taste of cultural enrichment. Turks and kurds are fighting on the streets. Once they settle their differences they will come after germans.

breitbart.com/london/2015/09/11/watch-migrant-turks-and-kurds-battle-on-frankfurt-streets-german-army-called-in
video included

Again, how are you going to keep them in Poland when Germany's just an open border away?

Don't worry about the details. Send some to Poland, show some footage in the media of how generous Poland is and then quietly watch them flee to germany. Win win for both poland and the PC crowd;)

Wulkan
12 Sep 2015  #810

No wonder the rest of Europe hates you.

No, Europe loves us for not being scared of telling the truth. Look at the hundreds of comments below from all the European countries showing their approval to what Korwin said.




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