Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

More a clutching of straw. It's the 'bargaining' stage in the process: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and finally Acceptance.

NATO and EU are fatal combination for world peace, security and above everything for normality. First goes NATO and penisize countries and then EU, as a decent lady (or receiver- to tell in modern), opening itself for the major penetration

Yawn. Should be fun to watch Gerries dragging by force "refugees" into Poland. Worry not, they will get the maps to know how to get back.

śYes, Delphi, they are .... different. If in Western countries, around half of population is in favor of refugee taking in, in countries like Poland, it's most probably no more than a few thousands and that's the reason why all Central and East European governments talk and act the way they do. In Western Europe, cohabiting with/helping others is normal athough now with economic problems, no country can afford to be super generous but in Eastern Europe they don't have any experience dealing with "different" people. I heard yesterday that Poland is one of the most homogenous country in the world. The only muslims they see are the terrorists shown on tv and therefore they cannot get the idea that most muslims living in W. Europe are secular and well adjusted.

I don't think we can look at Poland (and others) with our Western eyes and experience.

Nevertheless, as EU members, Poland and consorts have to go by EU's rules.

@BBman: if your concern is ... welfare, don't worry, it won't cost much to Poland. I assume the few Poles helping refugees shall be private citizens.

Actually, some do. Nor are most people from the Middle east who settles in Europe 'radical'. So your comment is largely senseless.


In Western Europe, the social safety net operates regardless of ethnicity.


Paranoia.

What a stupid and desperate reply. If some radicals go there, they don't cause any problems. They keep their beliefs to themselves. I don't ever remember seeing european christians protesting, burning cars, attacking police etc. in Riyadh or Abu Dhabi.


I didn't say it didn't. What i said was that western europe brings useless people in from the third world and throws money at them. And then brings in more and throws more money away.


It's not paranoia. I simply like to gather information from more than 1 source as this is the best way to learn. You would make a fine CNN or BBC news correspondent.

i think that Poland needs to start to worry because of behavior of Hungary. Think. Aggressive behavior of Hungary may seriously endanger security of Poland. Poland is obliged to support Hungary over Visegrad Group and over NATO solidarity. What in case of Serbian-Hungarian hostility? Ukrainian-Hungarian hostility? Romanian-Hungarian hostility?

i think that is Hungary in perfect situation to destroy Duda`s plans for Międzymorze.

BBman, ''western europe brings useless people in from the third world and throws money at them. And then brings in more and throws more money away'' so true. The unemployment level in some of the EU countries (especially among the young) is in the region of 20, 30 or even 40%, why would we ''import'' thousands of others that are not only unemployed but the vast majority will actually be ''unemployable''

I think that Hungary stearted to care about the borders. God with them. You laso should close the borders. Not letting immigrants to Hungary. This Policy is not aggresive.


Unless we somebody starts to shoot them. Europe should say though no to that immigration. Like USA. Now the bunch of muslims, Isis spies, terrosrists nad common poor peaople who should stay in their own country are coming to Europe like Alfons to bordello.

I'm not going to split hairs with you over this. Whether it was seven, eight, or ten thousand, point is that it's a lot of people no matter how much you try to minimize it.

jeden, I think you may have touched on something. If some crazy nut job takes it into their own hands and shoots somebody, that is a real possibility.

Sorry but I watched some films from the hungarian borders etc. I my opinion immigrants act very agressive, they think that can do everything. Cross the borders without any permission. They are very angry and suprised that some country don`t want them let to Europe.

Mayby, if police or military in Hungary, Poland etc. use some force they will see that they only geusts here and start act like normal humans who recive helps - start thank.

jeden, I agree with your comments 100%. I have seen similar things on tv. they seem to think ''we're here, open the door'' The latest is a group of people on the Serbian side of the Serbian/Hungary border going on hunger strike by refusing food and water from volunteers.

I find that quite ironic, on hunger strike trying to get into Hungary, maybe it's just me.

Talked to someone today who had only juar returned from an Alpine cycle trip from Austria to Verona and retunfred to Poland by train. He said the roadweary and bedraggled refugees with little kids in tow shown on TV give a distorted view of reality. The majority of the migrants are young toughs in their 20s to 40s with an aggressive, street-wise glint in their eyes and conveying the general aura of potential troublemakers at their host destination. Polish TV stations have probably been ordered by their PO masters to zoom in on pitiful, heart-rending scenes.

Approval ratings in Poland for the EU are still high and there is relatively little immigration by people who follow the Islamic faith. Yet.

Nope you belong to one of those brainwashed lefties who never in their life had to work hard just to survive hence stance - those people refugees regardless what you call them, they don't want to came to Poland ! but your mind do not register that fact, it goes over your head, you don't get it because in your mind it is not a question of the real world but an ideology in fashion, the point is not to solve the issue or help those in need but to show who is better progresist .... it is a play to you hence you don't get people who are seeing reality as they really are.


Serbia should secure her border instead of blaming Hungary for their leaky border!

The amount of Leftiest flip flopping in this thread is re-energizing. Poland along with the rest of Central Europe has stood strong while the West continues to backpedal.

Westerners and their cuckolding

Such ignorance is amazing! Those "anti-refugee" Poles have never interacted with anyone "different" let alone Muslims whom they have only seen on tv, they don't know anything about Western Europe and the world in general and they keep on and on with their hatred and ignorance.

As to Muslims and Arabs, I have personally interacted with altogether several thousands of them and guess what? I've never had any particular problem with any of them. For sure, some are "bad" and need to be dealt with but even if the media spend so much time talking about them, they are a tiny minority. Most Muslims and Arabs living in W. Europe (and elsewhere) are ... good and decent people. I'm talking about my personal experience (including my family's experience in colonized Algeria) contrary to those in PF whose only "experience" is that what they read, and copy-paste from fascist sites. Believe me, your fascist sites only telling you bs!

Anyway, if EU forces Poland and others to take in Muslim refugees, Polish fascists shall do with it. Neither the EU nor the Polish government shall listen to fascist scum....

Konieć

How do the "fascist Poles" without being fascists: force the migrants to remain in Poland?

Read the stuff you are posting. Endless contradictions and back peddling.

> YOUR GOVERNMENTS bombed their homes. Playing the self-righteous card is beyond laughable. Asians and South Americans see thru the Western BS

@nothanks: 1. I don't vote so I don't have "any" government (I've been an expat for close to 30 years) 2. fascist Poles (I don't include ALL Poles) shall have to put up with Muslims and that's all. You may write any bs in PF or anywhere else it won't change reality.

So You claim that only You know the countries where live muslims? Imagine that, a lot of us ( including me) visited the "great" countries of west. We know what the problems are there. Imagine that, we know muslims not only from tv and americnas movies. I know them also personally. Part of them are ok. The bigger part no. I don`t want to have a muslim, african as my neighber. I prefer Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese.


:The Fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists."

@Jeden; I did not say I know "the countries where Muslims live" ;) but I said that I have interacted with altogether thousands of them (including Arabs not being Muslim but I suppose it's too hard for you to figure out that one can be an Arab and not being a Muslim and vice versa ;)) so believe me, my experience is something else from "yours" and I never had any particular problems (well, not need to say that I'm not a racist so probably it helped too ;). Believe me, most are good and decent people but the media (not to mention your fascist sites) never talk about them. Well, if you prefer your prejudices and the bs you see on tv and on Youtube, no need to talk with you.

Good night!

PS: I can't wait till the first Muslim refugees shall arrive in Poland ;););)

How tolerant of you to force somebody to live with a group they have no desire to live with.


You don't have to wait, you can go live with them in Paris or London now.

Funny. The anti-Muslim sentiment in Poland actually hardly existed until large number of Poles experienced first hand the reality of working/living close to Muslims in Western Europe.

Pretty much the same story as with the anti-Polish sentiment in the UK.

I've been living 11 years in the UK and I never came accross any anti-Polish sentiment so far, which makes sens cause after all, why would someone complain about somebody working hard and paying tax?

@In Polska

PS: I can't wait till the first Muslim refugees shall arrive in Poland ;););)[/quote]


Imagine that I have that knowledge. :)


Maybe. I didn`t meet thousends of them. Tens are enough for me.


So Youe tell me then films lies... mhh Maybe photos lies. I saw Your multicultural society and I don`t want it in Poland. Most of Poles dont. let us live in our way.

As far as tolerant countries. When the West killed jews, muslims and protestant. Poland helped them. But we can help using brain.

PS: I can't wait till the first Muslim refugees shall arrive in Poland ;););)

Me too. I think that it will be suprised how they think baout social help in europe.

Which might but true but I don't see how relevant it is in this case. One poster claims that "anti-refugee" Poles are some backward villagers that never have been outside of Poland and I pointed out that actually many Poles with strong anti-Muslim sentiment are people that used to live/work in western Europe.

But it's entirely logical, isn't it? The Polish villager is always going to come into conflict with the Muslim villager (I'm talking about mentalities, not actual residence) - and both will come into conflict with the English villager. It's the nature of the game - I can entirely understand why some Muslim might get furious at Tyskie-drinking bald guys standing outside the local Polski Sklep being annoying pricks, I can entirely understand why some Pole would get furious at some Muslims being rude and sexist towards Polish women, and I can understand the English when they see this and think "what the bloody hell is this?".

Villagers will be villagers everywhere, nothing changes. It wasn't like only the highly-educated went to the UK, was it?

(from my observations, the educated Poles tend to shun the lesser-educated ones in the UK)

The thing is that in this case Poles (both villagers and non-villagers) usually don't complain on personal conflicts with Muslims... but rather on their general input into and behavior in the host countries.