Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

@Pol3: I have briefly checked Polish media and I know there is a debate right now at Sejm re refugees. Since PO, PSL, SLD are ... in favor, they should win on this (but lose the election next month as a result ;)). So, if Sejm does agree to take in refugees, what shall happen afterwards? I mean in terms of Polish system. Does president need to sign? Can current opposition stop current government? Can PiS government (since it really looks like they are going to win election) cancel these days' Sejm's decision?

"Without clear consent from society"! What does it mean? Would they hold a referendum?

True JK of course :))))

"I mean in terms of Polish system. "

PO below 20% very soon :)))

@G: as a matter of fact, I have a hard time to understand why PO wants to deal with matter now. Right before the election, it's suicidal. If I "were EK" I would do nothing and let the whole sh..t to the next government ;).

" If I "were EK" "

You would just listen what Merkel tells you :)))) Gerries invested a lot in PO, they expect dividends.

NO. Does the president need to sign every time a foreigner enters or is allowed to stay after entry? No and no.

This is an administrative/budgetary decision that the government has sufficient power to make (and now it is being made political by the upcoming elections).

However, the President of RP can make any foreigner a Polish citizen (within his powers as a president) and he is the only person in Poland that has the power to allow a Polish citizen to renounce their Polish citizenship. The only way for the president to directly prevent a foreigner from entering Poland is by putting them on a sanctioned persons list or declaring war against their country of citizenship (both with the president's power).

Also, some of the state's security agencies must give their approval prior to the issuance of a residence permit (including refugee status) to any foreigner. This is also an administrative decision, and does not involve the president's office.

@Polsyr: of course, the president is not going to sign for just one but I mean for the whole deal. I am asking because I thought that the Polish president had the right to veto (like for instance in France and not only).

Since I try to be practical ;). What's the budget proposed by the government and where shall it come from? Also re accommodation, jobs, schools, translators, heatlh, Polish language lessons, etc etc ....... ? What do they propose, if anything? Having refugees and letting them starve on sidewalks does not make sense to me...

In an earlier post, you assured us that the EU was going to pay for everything. "It will not cost Poland one penny" I think you said.

so even if EU (cf. Germany, France and UK) pays, how much would it cost to have 2;400 or so migrants in Poland?

About 60 millions zlotych annually.

2,400 is just getting their foot in the door with their families and friends sure to follow as they have in Sweden and London.
Like putting a bowl of milk out for a stray cat, the next thing you know you are over run with cats so don't even start.

@Iron: how do you know? Official sources? And what about the organization? Flats, jobs, translators, special teachers...., how do they plan to organize? Things need to be organized before having them come....

60 million = much less than what they spent on their stupid referendum....

President can sanction any individual by name and prevent them from entering Poland or staying in Poland (as has been done with some Russians close to Putin), but not a blanket group of unknown individual from different unknown countries. Only exception (as far as I know) is state of national emergency.

The case of refugee quotas with EU is under jurisdiction of the government and its administrative bodies, not the president directly.

True, that still doesn't mean they should spend money on muslims migrants. Besides, 60 m for the referendum is a 1 time waste of money. Having muslim migrants living off the dole is a problem that will last for possibly 1+ generations.

Polish president on the issue of these migrants coming to poland:



Excellent response. very logical.

Poles wandered to Asia, Africa, Middle East or South America? How many nations do Syrians pass to reach Poland?

Spare me 20th Century white-guilt liberalism. It's 2015, Nationalism is on the rise all over the Globe. Wake up to the World around you. Liberal paradise USA is about to elect a loud mouth Anti-PC campaign.

Facts:
- Poland already accepts Ukrainian refugees
- Poland already accepted Syrian refugees
- "Refugees" don't want to stay in Poland

Questions:
- How many refugees accepted by Gulf States
- How many refugees accepted by Israel [conveniently ignored by Jewish born news reporters]

Good decision with the self-righteous "I'll probably will not read any replies"

Whatever f stop. People have to be stopped and processed correctly. They don't want to stop and comply they want to just walk across borders with no papers, nothing. They need to f.... stop.

Yah, it seems lost on some people that these refugees wouldn't be facing road blocks if not for the irresponsible migrants.

Does anyone have faith in Westerners making the necessary decisions and sending illegal migrants home? Especially when faced with rebellious violence

Yeah, irresponsible to be born in a war zone, eh?

Polish Website on Europe's progressing Islamization

The ongoing refugee invasion of Europe has prompted three Poles to create Euro-Islam, a special website to study and explain the implications of Europe's ongoing islamization. The thousands of refugees storming Europe's borders should be treated, fed and sent back, insist Grzegorz Lindenberg, Piotr Ślusarczyk and Jan Wójcik. "For years the islamization of Europe has been progressing but no-one has come up with a sensible plan to deal with it and its totalitarian ideology," explained Ślusarczyk. He cited studies by Berlin's Center for Social Sciences showing that one-half of Euope's Muslims support religious fundamentalism and more than a quarter advocate violence to protect Muslim interests. Euro-Islam rejects any right-wing, nationalist backlash, and promotes humanist universalism, human rights, women's equality and democracy. If nothing is done about the problem by moderate, sensible people, then extreme rightists will start dealing with it and already are, Ślusarczyk maintains.

euroislam.pl/index.php/portal/

To bring the discussion back to the topic of this thread, are there minimum standards in Poland that refugees would have to meet in order to integrate? Clearly being semi-literate and horrifically bigoted are no barriers to being Polish; while the overwhelming majority of Poles are well-educated and not at all bigoted, a stroll in Warsaw in the afternoon of 11 November shows that Poland doesn't have a shortage of cave-dwelling bigoted morons with a total of thirteen minutes of (primary) education between them (although the on-going attempt to export as many as possible to the UK is going well). Surely semi-literate Arabs would fit in well?

I wonder how many here are aware of the alignment between the Polish far right and the regime of Assad in Syria.

An excellent indictment of society.

I think I need to conduct a test.

Although I'm white, English and living in Poland, (as an immigrant and guest in this beautiful country) would people's attitude towards me change if I tell them I'm a Muslim. What do people think

Assuming you have Job etc

1) "I'm Muslim": few would ponder it much

2) GF/Wife wearing hijab in public: some people would stare and point [unless she's an old women!]

3) Complaining to local markets/people about drinking, pork and nudity: people would get angry

Put on a burka and find out.

Cough - Poles stare and point at a great many things. Those who point need to take a good long look in the mirror, and go to a good psychologist to analyse what they see.

President Dougpol will make it a pre-requisite for every intolerant and xenophobic individual.


Actually nothanks - that is another (negative) Polish trait. Poles are very quick to inform you that you are not "conforming", or following the law, even when it was a completely moronic one, such as having a beer or two and enjoying a quiet cycle by the lake - so what would be different in muslims telling people that they are not happy with something...........?

Oh......wait......I get it now.................. Lol (but not)

PS You don't have to muslim to object to drinking - I will post photos of some of your fellow Poles lying around on Polish streets blind drunk, and then we can have a debate.

Polish and Swedish reporters also beaten by Hungarian police


Seams to me that Hungarian regime resisting to Duda`s idea about Intermarium. That is what drive Orban to behave crazy. Issue with refugees is just excuse.

More to the point, if you can only attract 7000 people to a demonstration in a country of 38 million, then you pretty much suck.

A small number are in Poland already. Getting the freebies, housing and a monthly payment. Disgraceful.

zywiec.naszemiasto.pl/artykul/uchodzcy-z-syrii-juz-na-slasku-w-katowicach-i-chorzowie,3508787,artgal,t,id,tm.html

oh yes helping war refugees is utterly utterly DISGRACEFUL. Shouldnt be allowed.
Have you forgotten history?

@Tamarisk: how much do they get from Polish state per month? I assume barely 100 ZL so no big deal ;)