Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Excuse me gents but I don't really get what you are jabbering about!
Lets summarise what we know for a fact:
1. We know that those refugees/illegal immigrants/whatever do not want to came to Poland.
2. For some reason countries they what to came to, instead of sending them back where they came form try to send them/sell them, transferring them to countries they don't have wish to go.

WTF? Paranoid nonsense!

Generally it is true that Muslim culture and values generally will clash sooner or later with those of the Christian nations/post-Christian.
Why would you willingly invite trouble or a future tube onto your country?
Madness.
Do you have vested interest in promoting their transfer from Germany?

wroclawuncut.com/2015/11/19/another-anti-islamic-rally-hits-the-rynek/

I don't think these marches are that necessary. It's not like the party currently in charge of Poland is pro Islamic immigration.

But the Marches are necessary so the party see that they have support of the Population against the Islamization project of Angela Merkel.

A march by a tiny minority is not going to change anyone's mind.

Indeed because the mind has been already made by the leading party - No to the migrants.

That's what you think.

Germany has ways of making Poland squeal, and a small reminder that Poland needs German support in many areas is enough to concentrate the mind. PiS are many things, but they're not stupid.

Indeed, that's why they won't do things against the will of the vast majority of Poles by letting in the migrants.

Oh... The same minority that you said that voted for PiS, and at the end, THEY DESTROYED, THRASHED, PUSHED FOR OBLIVION the Party that YOU (THAT DOENS'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POLAND) support?

Yeah, the same "minority"

Hahaha Only at your delusional wishful thinking the Anti-Illegal Immigrants are a minority in Poland, Delph.


Sorry, but the lapdog that you support (PO, Kopacz and Tusk) suffered a defeat (i know, it is difficult for you to swallow that) and PiS dont give a fu*k about what Merkel think.

We all know that.

And that is why you, turkish friend, is so afraid.

I assure you that the tiny minority demonstrating didn't vote for PiS. If you think they did, you're laughably out of touch with Polish affairs. Their compatriots already warned PiS that they know that it's the party of Israel and Washington.


What party do I support?

Face it Levi - you're equally unwelcome here. These people most definitely do not want some random brown skinned non-EU immigrants turning up, and they're not going to sit there and go "hmm, yes, he also hates Muslims". No, they'll equally punch you in the face for being "different".

Some voted for PiS, some for Kukiz and some for Korwin.


He doesn't even think that, he is just influenced by jon who likes that argument line which goes "the entire world is very progressive and only some tiny uneducated minorities that nobody cares about are not". Delph is the least charismatic from them 3 he even tries to compose sentences like them, a bit from jon, a bit from Harold, that's delph, he wouldn't exist on his own.

Why are you so happy that the majority of Poles oppose people who come to Poland and lie on their applications for residency by doing things such as falsely stating that they have never broken Polish immigration law?

We do not want any refugees!!! We have enough problems, I think Poland could make concessions for persons of Slavic origin but that is all, the rest of the refugees should not gain entry to our country. Those people take our country for granted and even if some would appreciate our sacrifice then it is too much of sacrifice for Polish people, we are not rich or equipped to house refugees from other countries. Those refugees from non-Slavic countries differ, to a great extent, culturally from us. Cultural match is of great significance here. We can not have people living in Poland who hold completely different morals and ideals to us because it will cause friction and will in time transform Polish society and love Polish culture the way it is.

Exactly that.

Delph first tought that PiS is a minority.

Than reality proved that he was wrong.

Than he tought that only PiS is anti illegal immigration and Anti-Merkel Islamization project.

Than reality showed that he was wrong again (Everyone remember the epic speech of Korwin, adressing the Illegals as Human Garbage).

That makes me conclude that whatever Delph/Harry/Jon357
/Inpolska thinks now, the reality will prove that they are wrong again. And again, and again again.


Exactly!

We've said this a million times already on this post (slight exaggeration) ;)

However, it is worth repeating !

Tolerance and liberty are ideals that most Western countries aspire to possess. The 21st Century conundrum is how do these Western societies react when faced with a minority within their borders who want to aggressively change the culture of the country to be more in line with their own (different) set of beliefs and ideals. A truly liberal and tolerant country would turn the other cheek and allow every minority the right to live according to their own culture but we've seen how that ends up already in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany etc so perhaps tolerance and liberty are not always the ideal we should be pursuing ?

What do you think ?

"tolerance and liberty are not always the ideal we should be pursuing" Hard pill to swallow, but sadly today I think that this is true.

Understanding and reception of those ideas in modern societies should be examined because it is all not what it seems. As a rule mentally of progressives who are claiming those ideas for themselves seems to cherish a rather totalitarian mindset which by and by is quite removed from those classical thinkers who forwarded ideas of liberty and tolerance.

Meaning their idea of liberty and tolerance is not necessarily what those ideas are all about, it is rather mutation of ideas, version of neo-Marxist and their take on society.

Please do not deviate from the topic

There is no more totalitarian system than the PC dictatorship and its LGBT and feminist agendas. Their approach to freedom and tolerance works only in one direction: accept our take on things or else!

Mod "tolerance and liberty are not always the ideal we should be pursuing" I think that this maybe at very core of this topic, maybe it begins to question the pressure that people feel under to accept mass immigration, or in simple terms the idea of doing the right thing, I am open to the forum further debate.

Terrible countries Spiritus:) A huge number of skilled Poles seem not to think so though. But they must be suckers for punishment because they moved there and have no intention of coming back.

Those bloody foreigners, eh?

I Agree.

The ideals of tolerance and political correctness showed to be a failure.

Look what kind of mess it had created!

As Nicolas Sarkozy said, it is time that we move from "Tolerance of minorities" to "Assimilation of minorities".

The minorities should be respected, but as long as they accept the Polish Culture as the dominant one in Poland (what should be more than OBVIOUS, but apparently for them are not).


I had the same impression.

Those 3 (plus InPolska) repeat all the time their wishful thinking of a Multiculturalist Poland that actually doesn't exist in reality (and should NOT, even because multiculturalism is a lie).

But for some reason they are trying to convince themselves of it.

And also as long as they respect Polish law. I am very much opposed to letting criminals who do not respect Polish law to even enter Poland, let alone to reside here. What do you think about letting foreign criminals enter Poland, Levi?

How can you even check a Syrian Migrants criminal record or passport details, I think the Syrian authorities have other priorities at the moment

Actually almost all illegal immigrants destroy their documents prior to arrival in Europe, so they can clain that they are persecuted syrians, while actually many of them never had been in Syria but are rather from Afhganistan, Sudan, Somalia, etc.

Or those that are from Syria but actually with terror links.

Yep no documents should = no right of entry,

documentation centers should be setup in the camps of origin.

Exactly! We need to show our support and this is the best way to do it, I urge all Polish people to support those marches, we need to show our solidarity through acts not just words.

Personally, I would strongly suggest looking at non-EU migrants and their sources of funding. Someone from a non-EU country with a bank balance inflated by working in places such as Saudi Arabia (a well known funder of terrorism) should be immediately disqualified from entering the EU until they prove beyond doubt that the money was earnt through working in a legitimate way. What about that, Levi?

To be fair to the Saudi's they are offering to build 2000 mosques in Germany.

Latest poll in Poland:
Should Poland accept refugees :
- 47,8 Nay
- 29,5 Yes
- 22,7 - don't know?

That seems _way_ too high for "yes". I haven't talked to a single person that thinks it's a good idea (which makes sense since it's a terrible idea). I would expect the numbers to be more 70 no, 10 yes and 20 don't know.

There are some issues that poll better than they do in the voting booth and I suspect this is one, unless they're being cynical like me and thinking: Yeah, accept them all, they'll just head off to Germany as soon as they can (which they will, even if the mini-Schengen deal without Poland passes - these people have already proven they have nothing but contempt for borders and rule of law).