Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Spot on. That's true of many things: multi-culti, aggressive laïcité, free scrape jobs for teen girls without informing their parents, run-away PC, homo "marriage", even rhd. Those who like that sort of thing have many places to go. Those who don't should also have such a place.

I'm not aware of any country where multiculturalism has really worked well, most are failed projects where the differences are only tolerated for a period of time and then slowly over time the differences end up creating individual communities. It's strange but at the same time pretty obvious that these communities only seem to be in the ''west'' why no mixed communities (that live peacefully) in the East, for example, why wouldn't 10 million Christians from Europe want to live in Iraq?

Originally from the Midlands, just go and visit some lovely multicultural cities like, Birmingham, Wolverhampton or Coventry, you can almost identify when you move from one ethnic area to the next, I fully understand how we all feel safe and secure when surrounded by people of our own creed, religion or race but it is only our own insecurities that create this.

Regarding refugees coming to Poland, do we really think that they would want to come through choice, they might play the game, stay a few weeks and then be off heading west.

Like most I have been following the French tragedy, a lot of the people (single men) being interviewed in the street are Muslim from the middle east, none speak French and more importantly why are they not at work?

If you exclude muslims then perhaps multiculturalism can work. The United States was a shining example of that (at least for a while) although one could argue that the Irish, Poles, Germans, Hispanics are of the same culture.

It's only when you try to incorporate Islam into a Western society that you hit the brakes.

There are those who prefer to hide their head in the sand and pretend there is no sharia or no-go zones in Britain. Much of the news emanating from the UK tells a rather different story. For example:

BBC recently aired a fascinating (and frightening!) documentary about how serious the threat of Islam is to England as it quickly grabs hold of the entire country. Watch as reporter Stacey Dooley visits protests in her hometown of Luton. A liberal, she can't believe what years of control by local Muslim groups have done to the community. The way they treat her is deplorable, and a sign that radical Islam is not compatible with the civilized world.

headlinepolitics.com/muslims-taking-england-islamic-radicals-chant-bbc-uk-go-hell-video/

Almost a third of schoolchildren believe that Muslims are "taking over our country" according to the largest study of its kind carried out in the UK.

A survey of almost 6,000 children aged 10 to 16 across England found that negative attitudes towards migrants and Muslims were widespread among school pupils.
The data, based on questionnaires sent to more than 60 schools across the UK by charity Show Racism the Red Card (SRTRC) between 2012 and 2014, also found that 60 per cent of children questioned believed "asylum seekers and immigrants are stealing our jobs".

independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/almost-a-third-of-school-pupils-believe-muslims-are-taking-over-our-country-study-claims-10261565.html

Another thought provoking question is "would Poland be more willing to accept refugees who are not Muslim, for example, from Ukraine, Greece etc "?

After the war Poland accepted thousands of Greek commies and since Putin's aggression thousands of Ukrainian refugees. Also some 90,000 Muslim Chechens.

So the public is willing to help refugees just not Muslim refugees ?

I guess its easier to integrate a Ukrainian rather than a muslim, religion language etc.... that's off the top of my head

The problem of integrating the Chechens resolved itslef. Most of them moved to greener pastures.

Polish society is full of things that muslims are socialized to regard as morally repugnant or deviant

- pork is the most commonly eaten meat

- alcohol is widely consumed

- women don't cover their hair (and in good weather dont' cover a lot more)

- women socialize with men they're not related to (without their relatives watching over them)

- Poles like dogs

They're either going to withdraw into their own ghettoized communities or try to force Polish people to change their behavior around them.

I don't see that ending well...

Just like the UK was pre-1997. It didn't take long to change.

Who changed: the Brits or the Muslims? Or a bit on both sides?

Here is one aspect of the so-called refugee crisis: youtube.com/watch?v=putezSS32m8

Those fascinated with the topic may vote on Twitter:

Is Poland willing and able to accept refugees from Arab countries? - https://twitter.com/PolishForums/status/667066609866039296

Muslims never change. Many of them only read one book (and one book only). What HAS changed is the numbers of them in Britain.

I agree that those who are pulling that one are either lying bigots or ignorant fools. Its like comparing apples and oranges. I wouldn't have said accepted but took them in reluctantly. It was something what was their duty an act of a simple decency. In fact their own them a lot.

One wonders which wouild be more repugnant to Muslim refugees in Poland: a Corpus Christi procession or a LGBT freaky pride parade?

Certainly the former. The idea of Allah turning into a wafer appalls them. They know that Europeans, including in Poland, have different ways of life.

Interesting, but as usual BS. Unless you've actually spent much time talking about both theology and European culture with people of the Islamic faith, which I suspect you have not.

Though shrooms may well have played a part in someone cooking up the idea of carrying a wafer that they believe is their deity round town in a procession. That however is better in a different thread.

Muslim refugees do usually have a reasonable idea of what to expect in Europe, though the religion is something they aren't interested in.

I think some in here aren't aware just how backwards some of these refugees are. It is not the majority but we can't say it's just a small minority either. Aspects for example

- Issues with dogs
- No eating with women at the table
- Public obscenities at gays, jews and freely clothed women

It has to be a complete mind-fk for many of them to be in a city like Berlin. As if they were transported to another Century. There is no education that will save many of these types. They will disappear into the comfort of the Muslim ghettos. Where they can be paid by the State to judge and even plot against.

Ultimately: we owe all of them nothing. Not even the educated and driven refugees. So there is no number that justifies even just 1 possible terrorist entering Europe. Is it 100 future doctors? Is it the next Mesut Ozil? I just don't care. Freezing and starving to death is the chance you take for attempting to cross into a border without proper documents. If the Government does not possess or can't afford proper surveillance on these individuals, then you simply cannot allow them/anyone in.

In reality it doesn't work that way.

English society is exactly as you have described the one in Poland with the exception of pork yet muslims simply build their own communities. They then affiliate themselves to a political party that is the most sympathetic towards them and provide that party with block votes when election time comes around (look at Labour in the UK).

Eventually, they become stronger and more confident and then start to expand into other non-muslim areas.

I sincerely believe they have strategy for doing this.

They're actually very good at surviving in foreign countries.

Radio Poland "Paris attacks radicalise Poles' stand on refugees" that's it we in Poland are officially radical, that should please some liberal leftist posters here.

WoW ! Talk about being a bigot !


I would feel the same way if I moved to a Muslim country that worships Allah. The difference is they can worship as they please in non Muslim countries while if I tried to practice Christianity in theirs I may very well loose my head.


This is the problem. They don't care about the news, world matters, education, capitalism, reading newspapers, non islamic books, and have been limited to reading only one book for the last 1400 years.

Now they migrate to a country with freedoms they have never known or been allowed to think for themselves to choose because of the 50 plus generations of brainwashing from solely ONE BOOK.

Because of this one book it has cause them to be at war with not only each other but the entire world for 1400 years.
What do expect from them under those circumstances ?
Poland being a Christian country (besides the ex pats living there) should not be pressured to take such undesirables.

Don't forget the Hadith and Surat

Yes. They expect countries where they will have money coming from the government without any effort, they expect to have free housing, free food and not need to work a single day because the native europeans will pay everything from them.

They expect mosques to be build everywhere. They expect every christian symbol to be removed.

They expect to people be "sensible" to their religion and not wish marry christimas.

They expect the freedom of speech to end (otherwise another Charlie Hebdo is gonna happen).

So yes jon, you are right. They know what to expect.

Nah. I read academic papers for bread. I can write them too. I come here for an argument :)



Taken out of context, sorry. Not directly aimed at you, but at Poles who immigrate to Britain, and then have the temerity to sneer at the habits of British people who happen to be of Asian descent.....


I am a great fan of Halal meat myself, and often buy it when in Ole Blighty..... don't know what the fuss is about.


That is the Conservative Party viewpoint, yes. I happen not to share that view. Asians have never bothered me, my daughter, my dog, my parents, my left toe nail. There is nothing special about them, like there is nothing special about me. Of course, if Poles think that Asians stink, then they have a problem... (the Poles, not the Asians.....)

As to your later stuff, ask yourself why some British don't like Poles (I don't happen to agree with that either of course!) If you really want to know, it's because those Poles are arrogant, and intolerant of the immigrants who beat them to it - by about 60 years......

But your post was excellent, and if my rantings produce serious input like yours and debate for others who have more time and inclination than me to build a rational argument, then I will have made a "contribution," so I will continue to pontificate.........

PS: I really think this (opinion) DOES have a bearing on Poles views towards different peoples... and why the Germans are right about Poland making a contribution, and the PIS foreign minister and the 80 per cent of Poles who don't want these people to come are so very wrong.

Meaning, my post is VERY much on topic. Thank you mods for your bearance on this topic - which is of utmost importance to Polands' standing with her European partners. Spiritus wants an academic discussion, but for me it's black and white.

No you don't.

No it's not,, not in the least. Neither is Harry's.


And yet Demanded everything Levi said here in the U.S.A anyways.
They even were allowed to build a Mosque across the street from where the World Trade Center once stood and now where a National Memorial stands to recognize where some Muslim's killed over 3000 U.S. citizens on 9/11.

What a mockery.
Poland has witnessed this and want no part of these "high risk" individuals in their country.
Just like 23 States have told Barrack Obama (quite a Muslim name) that they are refusing accept Muslim seeking refugees.
Can you really blame Poland ?

But with all due respect, some of your comments do not support any arguments and if someone makes a point which you don't want to consider then you are glib and flippant. Your comments about your Muslim friends which you used as justification that inter faith marriages work is one example and your comment that you cannot understand what the fuss is all about when it comes to Halal meat as you don't mind eating it is another example.


It's a viewpoint that is not restricted to the Conservative Party but if you area Labour supporter (which I suspect you are) then I can understand why you would insist on that being true. For the sake of clarity, I would avoid the generic term of "Asians" and the Indian community in the UK are very different in their attitudes compared to the Muslim community (Indians don't like Muslims either by the way).


Are you contradicting yourself ? You don't agree with my statement but then explain to me why my statement is true ????


I sense a German bias with you Doug-Don't know why but I can just smell it. Was Merkel right in her open invitation to all Syrians to settle in Germany (without any strategy as to how they would get to Germany) ?

If a Muslim take-over ever occurs in Poland, make no bones about it -- your type will be at the very top of their hit list!

Sorry - I meant to say I don't know why some British would necessarily look down on the Polish population.......


Not at all. but Poland has had 27 years of normal foreign relations. Germany has had 70 years to learn to say the right things.

Hence: Germany generally says the right things.

A PIS Poland doesn't. I hope that clarifies my opinion.

That does clarify things a little although you are still welcome to answer my question about Merkel if you wish.

I'm not a fan of PIS but thinking about it perhaps they are right for Poland at this time, at least in terms of their xenophobia.