Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

I noticed from the first batch of 180, there were only 35 still left in Poland according to one of the ministers. I forget the name unfortunately. It almost appeared as though he was pleased with himself. So whats going to happen with 7000.

Those were people brought here by some NGO, non-Muslims coming directly from Syria, who were actually at real risk, unlike feckers that come from safe Turkey illegally crossing the borders. It was clear from a start that most of them won't stay here, we just help them to get to Europe, as unlike +90% of invaders, they deserved it.

i sense that Poles losing their nerves rapidly. As every reich EU comes to its end

"i sense that Poles losing their nerves rapidly. As every reich EU comes to its end" now crow you know us well as me , we are making hay while the sun shines, we will find another cash cow.

this way or another cash would come. Even if we ourselves needs to make it, what would be kind of boring but well..

by the God what is this already.

This isn`t first case of inter-Arab fighting among migrants that travel thru Serbia. Shall we now turn into battlefield for Arab tribal fighting's? Look Poles what coming to you if you just let them

Belgrade: Moroccan migrant injured by Algerians - reports

Poland should get ready for a flood of invaders according to this news article.
Germany is threatening to close its borders to asylum-seekers in an attempt to persuade other governments to do more to solve the migrant crisis.
Plans leaked to a German newspaper Sunday suggest her government is drawing up measures to reinstate its own national controls. In what Welt am Sonntag called a "clear threat to the EU," sources said Germany was considering turning away asylum-seekers at the border.

Sources close to Thomas de Maiziere, the interior minister, told the newspaper he had ordered officials to draw up plans to close the borders. "For de Maiziere, the time of waving the refugees through is over," they said.

So what makes Merkel think if Germany doesn't want them why any other country wants them or should be forced to take them ?
Poland needs to organize a protest in front of the German Embassy.

That fence Visegrad is sponsoring on the Bulgarian and Macedonian border needs to go up, sorry Greece, Western countries problem not ours. I don't trust them, supposedly they are Syrians fleeing war but evidence suggests the contrary that 80-90% are not Syrian and the majority are single men from other Arab countries. If you want to migrate, do it properly. I don't trust the Syrians fleeing the war either, too many factions too many Islamists, it is what it is.

Poland is further West than Greece. Migrants are the EU's problem and Poland is part of the EU, so it will have to do something.

Quite obviously a fence is insufficient.

I have read too that Germany is closing its borders so what does Merkel intend to do with the millions SHE (nobody else) has invited? The other 27 countries do not have to put up with HER sh@@@@. She has destroyed Europe and maybe she'll get the Nobel Prize for .... Peace. Insane!

@Szala: if Poland does not want to be involved

Wow InPolska, I didn't expect to read such a wise post from you, well said.

@Wulkan: ????? ;). For me, the solution would be "easy" ;). Since Merkel (alone) has invited 6 million migrants to Germany, all should be sent to Germany and period. Other 27 countries should not be concerned. Now they officially acknowledge that 130,000 who were registered in Germany are .... missing!!! Where the h.. are they? How many (potential) terrorists among them? To remember than in Paris there were only something like 9 terrorists. Also (what I love) a "lot" of socalled refugeees have returned ... home. How the h... can people claiming to be refugees go back home a few months after filing for refugee status???? What sense does it make? By definition, refugees come from areas where they cannot return to because they would be billed, tortured, discriminated again. I have read in many (reliable sources) that some who were in Finland returned home because in Finland it is too cold and the food is awful (no kidding!)

In Germany there are by-elections on March 13 and I bet that most Germans will back Merkel and most probably she'll receive the Nobel Prize for Peace as well.

Although I do not follow situation as close as I used to (I am fed up and also have no time), I am furious. It shall never end, more and more every day and of course they are NOT refugees.

ps: sorry.. "Killed" instead of "Billed" ;)

I Agree.

But also other countries should be allowed to put border checks at the German border to ensure their own safety.

Let the germans deal with their own stupidity and culture suicide.

and


I agree with both comments, lots of agreeing here but Germany is not stopping.

WoW what a 180 degree turn by InPolska !
Remember back at the start of this thread (go read for yourselves) how the Liberals jon, Harold, InPolska all were encouraging the immigration and thought what a wonderful thing it was to enrich and diversify the culture of the EU and how inhumane the rest of us were for not wanting to help undesirable people looking for a better life ?

I guess now that they can see what a huge burden this has become with unbearable consequences still to unfold in the future for the EU that we are able to finally say, "WE TOLD YOU SO".


I think if you go back and read some of the first post you will see where they were referred to "Opportunists" and not refugees.

Glad we could convert you to understanding where we were coming from.
If Germany would have had a holding place to contain and screen out anyone who was not a Christian Syrian war refugee in fear of their lives right from the get go and rejected the Muslim "Opportunists" to spread Islam this would have never happened.

The road to hell was built on good intention too however.

My opinion has evolved somewhat. I used to say that Poland should accept as many on paper as Germany wants to send as there's no way they'll stay in benefits poor Poland.

My current thinking is standing firm and not working with Merkel at all. She is clearly delusional and there's no point in enabling her mad vision. The quicker and more forcefully the nature of her mistake is brought home to her the better. She deserves no cooperation. This was entirely her idea, she enacted it with no consultation with anyone else and she should bear the consequences.

Merkel has through her dealing with Greece and the migrant/refugee issue has done more damage to the EU than 1000 Nigel Farages and Le Pens could ever hope. Let that, and renewed and strengthened anti-German sentiment throughout the conintent, be her legacy.

Typical Daily Mail style populist view of the crisis. Nobody in the EU - and that includes France, Britain and Germany - gave a flying hoot about the refugees/migrants that were piling up on Lampedusa and the Italian mainland as well as in Greece. Both countries were left alone with the crisis until Merkel was stupid enough to invite everyone over to Germany. Yes, she's in large parts responsible for the whole mess that came afterwards, but don't give me that holier-than-thou crap. The other EU members are just as guilty. It's of course very convenient now to blame everything on Merkel. What would have happened if Germany wouldn't have taken in those roughly two million people? Ever thought about that?

@Johnny: if you re-read my messages, you would notice that I was NEVER in favor of hords of wild "animals" "misbehaving", agressing and raping women, litteraly killing us (ie. for instance, in Paris where a lot of victims of 13.11 attack are still in hospitals), relieving themselves in swimming pools and complaining about the living conditions we give them for free.

Last summer, ALL 28 countries were to split the burden, my belief was (and still is) that Poland as a EU member and on top of that the main beneficiary of EU money should play the game. Basta with Poland's non stop whining and "caprices"!

I suppose that at least 99.98% of these people are NOT refugees. Refugees don't behave like that and first of all, genuine refugees take their whole families along and don't leave wives and kids behind in home countries ;), don't return home after filing for refugee status and also do respect and are greateful to countries accepting them. My family on my mother's side were refugees from 2 different countries and they have all become good citiizens in their new country, to which they were grateful for bread and freedom. I know my family's history and I can easilty tell that those hords invading Europe on a daily basis are not refugees; at best they are economic migrants and at worst they are (potential) terrorists or common law criminals.

I know several Poles here who at first were in favor of accepting SOME (not a lot, same for me) genuine refugees also because Poles are a country of emigrants but with the way things have turned to, they now don't want anybody.

The problem, is now, what to do? We can expect millions per year and Merkel, the only responsible for all this mess acknowleges that she has no ... B plan!!! When I consider doing something new and unusual, I have ... B, C, D plans and Merkel who means to rule 500 million people has no other plan...

It looks like a horror movie but it is the reality! I am most pessimistic!

your mother's family were refugees , therefore you can tell that 99.9 per cent of people coming from war torn Syria are not genuine?
You do see how illogical that statement is, don't you? surely?

A lot of them would have given up and gone somewhere else and a lot of them wouldn't have started the trip to Europe in the first place. What Merkel and many others don't seem to understand that for every "refugee" let in there are twenty more ready to come too. Europe does not have the room or resources to deal with all the dissatisfied people from the middle east that have convincing sob stories.

It's cheaper and more efficient to house the refugees in neighboring countries (money spent in Turkey or Jordan goes a lot farther than money spent in Europe. Plus they're closer to home when hostilities cease and there in cultural and religious environments that are closer to what they're used to.

Just because a lot of feckless people endanger themselves and their families to try to make it to Europe does not create a moral imperative for European countries to take them in.

Poor rozu, whose only goal is to attack people and never to contribute;). Yes, the big majoity of people coming to EU now are NOT refugees and most of them are not from Syria. How many of them do you have in your flat/house? ;) "lol"

PS: my family and other people being refugees at the time behaved properly and were grateful to be given bread and freedom.

No I often "contribute" . My contribution today is to point out your lack of logic...;)
Aren't your people torching tents, and refusing to recognise that there as many as 400 unaccompanied children in 'the jungle' as we speak?
No surprises there then, dear.
Besides if you have time to sit composing your extensive posts, good for you. Personally I have a life to live, things to do, people to look after, know what I mean?

I don't have any refugees in my flat/house, what a silly thing to say. Again, no surprises. Tres facile.

" 400 unaccompanied children " lol the migrants tell their kids to say that their parents are not in the camp, because they know if the kid gets in to the UK they will also automatically gain entry to the UK regardless of status, this trick is as old as the hills.

There ARE unaccompanied children in the camp, dolno.
Your and InPolska's attitudes remind me of the 1930s, and what reasons people found for not letting in Jewish people. Plenty of children on the Kindertransport were not "really" unaccompanied" were they?

Again, no surprises really , from either of you.

Roz " remind me of the 1930s"

I was brought up to respect my elders, so I respect you recollections of those times, But you cannot in anyway compare the current migrant issue with the torture and genocide that the Jews suffered before and during WWII.

I am comparing your attitudes to people's attitudes at that time, and I can do that if I like. Obviously I was not around in the 1930s, don't be so silly.

I have however studied and read history extensively, despite your little froggy friend insisting that I am an 'uneducated chav'...:)

Roz "I am comparing your attitudes to people's attitudes at that time"
I will take that as a personal insult then. given my family were either murdered or put into a concentration camp.
I say again the migrant situation cannot be compared to those days.

To quote you Roz "your little froggy friend" can I politely also point out your earlier comment "I am comparing your attitudes to people's attitudes at that time"

Roz I suggest You are the one who lives in the old days when you make such racist comments.

That's exactly what WE were calling them when you and jon and Harold were calling us racists, bigots and xenophobia.
Go read those back posts for yourself as it is all there.


Yup, they would have stayed right where they were just like the other 200 billion of them are.
When a extremely black negro man of fighting age all by himself with an African accent with no family shows up at your border yelling and demanding from the police one would think his profile does not fit an escaping for his life Christian Syrian with his whole family thanking you for feeding his family and a warm clean blanket.

Camp A is for Christians Syrians escaping a war torn country in fear for their lives. (You are admitted to the EU)
Camp B is for economic and other opportunist that have no manners or respect traveling by themselves. (You are deported back to the Muslim country of your choice within 24 hours)

Take note my friend that these people are not happy in Muslim countries that they came from, they are not happy in the EU countries, they are not happy in America.......these people just aren't Happy Campers.

The Syrian war refugees are praising God Almighty that they have made it out alive with their families and giving thanks to their new home country.

Merkel needs to start sorting these people out (if she can even find them) and start deporting the people that were not invited.


Hell No ! Can you imagine if the refugees back then started throwing rocks and bottles at the security ? Boom Boom Boom Next
Today that is "Politically Incorrect".


Last I heard is that they have bulldozed 90% of 'the jungle' after tear gassing women and children to force them out.
Poland was very smart in reading the hand writing on the wall and standing up to Merkel.

The crisis started already in 2014 with tens of thousands of people arriving in Italy and Greece with nowhere else to go. All other EU members gave a sh*it about it and did nothing until the situation got out of control by late summer last year. Only then did Merkel react. Very big mistake in hindsight, but as I said before: every freakin' nation in Europe is responsible for this crisis - not only Germany and Merkel. And there are a few others to blame for creating this mess in the Middle East in the first place...

Quote:
"From July 2014 to July 2015, there were almost 210,000 asylum applications in the EU by Syrian nationals. According to the UNHCR, the number of asylum applications for the month of June alone was over 28,000, and over 32,000 in July. The numbers for August are likely to be even higher. The refugees have paralyzed the asylum system in Greece, Hungary, and elsewhere, with Hungary now constructing a wall along the Serbian border."

brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/09/03-eu-refugee-crisis-kirisci


Many of them were already in Europe, Johnny.


True that!

Nah, people from Arica started to came to Italy and Spain in droves after few countries decided in their wisdom to bomb Libya and then Syria form the map. It is not a secret and those countries should take a burden of the responsibility upon themselves.

Mainly those people were coming to Italy and Spain only some to Greece. That flood to Greece started when and after Merkel issued that invitation.

One point though,EU doesn't work like one big country, security and border control belongs to each member state. It is responsibility of Italy, Greece or whichever country to deal with people coming without visa and papers, if they are unable to do it, that's their problem.

There are few obvious reasons why this situation hasn't been dealt with in a rational, proper manner.
1. The EU institutions and bureaucrats as well as a majority of members states are in the clutches of the leftie ideology which make them act like a bunch of kindergarten children with a total disregard to the consequences of their action.

Such a ideology influence a legislation and a way the law is being implemented. In practical terms it means that there were a certain pressure for countries like Italy to accept people on boats and pontoons as refugees or at least as a potential refugees, more there were pressure applied for warships to pick them up and cart them over to the EU shore. Soon rafts started to being constructed along the north African shore, people paid like for a luxury cruise crowded on those rafts with a satellite phone to call for a taxi ( warship).

Because you are on of these lefties I fear I must tell you how that should be dealt with in the real world. Those people should be shipped directly to camps elected in some or other north African territory or an island, Where they would be photographed, fingerprinted, medical examination and screened as to their identity, nationality and checked whether or not they are genuine refugees.

At the same time people (gangs, ISIS or semi-criminal) who were making money on smuggling people to Europe should be apprehended their boats sunk. Allegations that Luxemburg helps in laundering their money and Junkier' s role in that should be properly investigated.

Germany being a leading country in the EU and imagining themselves as main European leader should and could passed legislation that would find funds for those procedures.

2. In those circumstances when those people started to cross over to Greece in the larger number her pitiful government started sending panicked massages. Hoping to get more funds from the EU. Merkel invited them to Germany, I supposed she meant Syrians and probably those who are already in one of the EU countries.

I don't understand what she was thinking or what the deal is. Regardless after her invitation Turkey opened her borders and let out anybody who wanted to go to Greece. They had at the time three or four refugees or immigrants form the middle east but also form all corners of the Muslim world.

It hasn't been said but it was Merkel invitation plus Turkey reaction that created that crisis.

3. After creating a problem that had been easy to see by anyone who wasn't blinded by that ideological bias. Governments of many countries, EU-cu@@s and lefties were happy as to what a brilliant and great humanitarians they are. All that perpetuated crisis which could have been stopped and nipped in the bud then and there even after Merkel's triggering.

I blame ideological fanatics and their hypocrisy as well as their mindless followers.
Left nowadays diverge into liberalism and progressivism which in fact reverted to being regressive. Even lefties are slowly coming to the conclusion that progressivism is in fact nothing else but regressivism because that ideology is causing more injuries to liberals and rational left than any right wing Church goer or whatnot ever could.

Yes, Merkel and Germany as well as their are yet again endangered Europe and the world. Sacrificing reason, logic and a common sense on the altar of some ideological fantasy. They are danger to themselves and other people, once again they proved to be unable to handle power, any power, they are loosing it.

Not true, Iron. The flooding of Greece with refugees started in the first half of 2014 already:

Quote:
"In the first eight months of 2014, the numbers of refugees and undocumented immigrants in Greece has reached 50,000, more than double the amount in the same period last year, and they're facing dreadful holding conditions and a dysfunctional reception system"

washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/3/syrian-refugees-flood-greek-shores/


That's what you THINK I am... :)


I believe that you're absolutely wrong in comparing present day Germany with the Deutsches Reich, but let's agree to disagree. Merkel made a very stupid mistake, I'll give you that.