Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

So you don't use Polands' motorways then. You are either too young or too stupid to remember the 2 hour journey to work, the dirt and grime, the trains that broke down at the station, the ignorance of customer service, all the communist crap................ that was the Polish reality in 1992 when I finally moved here to live.

In truth, you are just a nationalist clown that believes that Poland could have miraculously modernised without the EU billions.

Clueless and dangerous, because you and the nationalist scum would like to turn the clock back and shut your borders to keep everybody inside Poland again.

"it's thanks to EU's generosity."

EU generosity? Hahahaha what a pathetic statement!

So the money of EU have nothing to do with doing better roads to transport the own german companies products manufactured in Poland due to lower labour costs? Hahahaha

Besides that, Poland would survive without the EU as much as EU would survive without Poland.

And the most stupid part of everything is expect that Poles should accept to:

-Have their own Bataclan to be slaughtered by Muslims like the frenchies done.
-Have their own Charlie Hebdo to be slaughtered by Muslims like the frenchies done.
-Have their own Calais Camp to have trucks robbed and drivers beaten just like the frenchies done.
-Have their own Mohammed Merah killing people that dont believe in Allah just like the belgians done.
-Have the airport of warsaw exploded and polish brains dropped into the floor just like the belgians done.
-Have their policeman beheaded at daylight by muslims just like Lee Rigby in London.
-Have 900 polish kids RAPED by muslims that dont believe in minimum age for sex just like the brits had.

So yes, "Better roads" DOESNT JUSTIFY this sh1t except for a very sick brain.

Poland fought to have an IMF loan extended to it - it did not want a loan and saw no need for it. That didn't stop the IMF bankers from essentially forcing Poland to take a fixed rate loan - only two countries in history, one of them being Poland, received an IMF loan at a fix rate - because they know Poland has a strong economy and will repay the loan on time and in full.

Poland has managed fine on its own for years and I'm sure it could manage just fine not being in the EU. Yes, the EU brought foreign investment which a few foreign elites got even richer off of. For the average Pole it only meant that they could leave Poland easier and work in a richer country. Poland essentially traded their political powe within Europe for EU funds - now they're realizing maybe it wasn't the best idea.

When? If you're talking about the 2009 loan deal, Poland willingly accepted it because no-one knew how severe the crisis would be and how resilient the country would be. Furthermore, it was Poland that asked for it.


Except Poland didn't actually use the loan. It was there if it needed to be used, but it wasn't.


Bwhahahaa. Adrian, you weren't here when Poland was struggling through the 90's and early 2000's. If Poland stayed outside the EU, she would've been left behind while companies invested in the other V4 countries. All that massive building boom in Poland came as a result of EU entry and the stability/confidence that it gives investors.


Actually, for the average Pole, it meant they got considerably richer.

tradingeconomics.com/poland/wages

The data doesn't lie.


What political power? Poland was essentially begging Germany and the EU for scraps before 2004 - it was a minor European country with very little influence, even regionally.

Not "Poland" but scum they installed here.

Nice of you to show your real colours, nomeklatura boy.

youtu.be/VTROCGb5qj8

diversity DESTROYS social cohesion in the west

Not just there..... (and it prevents it from forming in most of the very diverse third world - which is why so many there want out).

So did Russians - their wages rose immensely under Putin. So by the data, I could argue that Putin in the best thing to happen to Russian wage earners since he got into power.


Actually, I didn't live in Poland but I travelled many times during the 90's and 2000's. Yes, Poland suffered immediately after Communism fell but the wages and economy grew every year and into the 2000s. The new rich class took off though in the 90's as foreigners pounced on a new open market.

tradingeconomics.com/poland/gdp-growth
According to this graph, which I will attach, one would argue that GDP growth by percentage has continually risen and fall. The growth has been -1%-2% just about every quarter from 2000 on ward.


It was basically an 'insurance policy' but they certainly didn't need it. Many didn't even want it to begin with.

Also, didn't Poland lend some crazy amount of money to save the Euroozone to the IMF - something around $8 Billion back in 2012? I didn't read much into it but I recall some announcement by the director of Poland's central bank, Marek Belka, that he would loan $8 billion in currency reserves back to the IMF. Don't know if it actually finalized though.

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Both Poland and Russia are considered leading emerging economies (although not sure on the latter once the sanctions came in).

Except that is clearly linked to the massive rise in energy prices and the fact that someone put a lid on the horrific capitalism of the Yeltsin years. Now that energy prices have collapsed, Russian incomes are also suffering. Poland had no such natural resources, nor such free-for-all capitalism that relied on wholescale exploitation of workers.


Except they were growing from next to nothing. Things started to get much tougher in 2001/2 - it was only the looming EU membership that started to propel the economy in 2003, and you can't argue with the huge growth post-EU accession. There's no way Poland grows by those numbers outside of the EU, as much of it was based on massive EU-funded infrastructure projects.

You only have to take one look in Poland to see just how much has been cofinanced by the European Union.


No-one knew if Poland would need it or not. It was a wise choice, given that house prices looked like collapsing completely in 2009/2010. As for "many not wanting it" - that's simply not true. I remember it well, and it was seen for what it was - a line of credit that was there if Poland wanted it. It transpired that the government managed to control the situation well, but many other countries didn't.


Sure, it was done to show the commitment to the EU. It was pretty much widely considered to be a token gesture - the amount wasn't much, but it said that Poland was willing to help after receiving plenty of help from others.

Poland gets the most money from the EU budget by far - I'm not arguing that... but they've given up a lot in return too - for one CPI rose incredibly. Also, it wasn't only the EU money that saved Poland - it was proper managing, a good economy (which yes additional funds contributed to that) and a productive population. The amount of foreign investment relative is actually pretty low both as total FDI and as a percent of GDP compared to many other countries with even smaller nominal GDPs yet higher FDI. Poland gave up a lot of intangible things too - for one, it appears they can't even decide who gets let into their own country anymore i.e. Muslim and african economic migrants.

So you admit that 66 percent of respondents in the TVN poll are xenophobic, selfish, and church brainwashed?
Rather thought you would have to admit to the state of affairs in Poland as they pertain to the present day.

Unfortunately.


What a ridiculous post. You really are an idiot, in the Polish sense of the word. Poland is in the club, and signed up to 7,000 refugees and that is what she will take.

The ultimate nightmare of non- deserving muslim and African migrant majorities only exist in the mind of right wing groups, and those who are much too comfortable in their warm homes tonight, forgetting that it might have been them. Except that you don't have a humanitarian bone in your body, but waste all your energy over long posts here when you could be doing something tangible to help.........

Take the Christians and Atheists, they are in real danger, not the infiltrators

And just what is it that you and InPolska are doing to help ?
Have either of you opened YOUR doors yet ?


I think you are the idiot and not only the Polish sense of the word.
Now off to your bed as it must be late there.

@Johnny: I should be proud by the fact that you seem so obsessed by me! Are you in .... love? If so, I suppose you are ... bi. Anyway, I don't care but first of all in order to open one's doors, first of all, we would need to have them in Poland and maybe your PEN PAL has not yet told you that there are none of them in Poland. Anyway, they don't want to come to Poland so what's the issue with them

As a non-European I think that if "asylum seeking refugees" enters Poland, it will be a disaster for Poles. I mean Poland will be no more Poland but New York, where people starting hating each other. I respect Poles opinions, but believe me if I were be a Pole, I would never allow Refugees to enter Poland.

It is not because of religion, but they are people and we should help each other, as they are in need. To keep peace and Harmony between People around the world. But the good news is that war is over in most part of Syrian now. Yes in Syria war is almost over. Syrians can go to their home now with respect.

2nd because of hate, Europeans they don't have jobs for their own citizen, besides have different culture, traditions, way of thinking.

3rd is if Germans are doing it, than let them do, their Economy is strong enough, but Poland's economy is under pressure. Poland is now developing phase, how can they bear Refugees?

Foreign Student can come, can study and can go, can work in Poland, if they want, but Refugees? which government pays for refugees? If German are Idiots, than let them be! If necessary go out from European Union and join Switzerland. It is not Islamophobia, a media word, it is just to make Human crazy.

Just like war is over in Afghanistan and Pakistanis let Afghans refugee go to their Home. In the same way war in Syria is over now, Syrians can go to their Home now.

You are full of it. It's brown, it stinks, and it's obviously yours. Now run along fool.

Pakistan, some German politicians seem hell bent on integrating some (most?). They are hosting state funded "how to flirt with German women" courses. Google it

I've never seen or heard of a modern civilization openly ***** out it's women like this. The globalist will get their way, Poland is just one tiny hurdle.

The new strategy is a "EU military". Right, because they would NEVER unleash such a force on misbehaving nations like Poland. This crisis was manufactured and we are still only in the early stages.

I must admit that this is true cuckoldry in action.

@Dougpol1 don't abuse anybody. I want a solution! I see your Government is accepting Refugees, why I don't know!

I can't understand it. May be you people are swimming in $$$ like Germans? Your Government is allowing Refugees, but a Normal Pole is not happy with the Government decision. Brow and Black or even White plays no role, but what Poles think that interest me.

Can someone give me a reasonable answer of my question?


If it is in an early nursery stage try to solve it.

German woman or Polish girls, yes you can find such stuff in Internet, or Pakistani German or American, Or European marriages fails, their problem, also many get divorces in Pakistan, Indians... what should I do with that?

This was not the topic at all after all, we are discussing a General problem which Poland is facing now a day. I am not in mode of such cheap discussion. Please remain on the topic

Should Poland accept refugees

YES:
- they will leave anyway for richer nations
- Natives will mistreat & convince them to leave
- we should avoid EU fines

NO:
- Islam multiplies
- stand tall with our V4 allies

No sorry I am not convened with your answer 100%, but 75%

Should Poland accept refugees

YES:
- they will leave anyway for richer nations, (than send them to the richer nation at the early stages)
- Natives will mistreat & convince them to leave (yes I believe hate could rise, even if I had not enough food at home, how could I help other in need?)

- we should avoid EU fines (what kind of fine.. nations has always a choice)

NO:
- Islam multiplies (Nope I am not convened with this answer, if as you state here, even 1000's of Muslims migrates to Poland, can't change Poland into an Islamic country :) Nope not possible, I am worried about Polish Economy not about Islam in Poland. Muslims are living since 1950's in England and in the US, are they now Islamic countries? )

- stand tall with our V4 allies (give something and take something is the way to solve this problem too, Poles should not bow their head at any cost)

But you were being silly PL. So I will apologise, but to say that the war is over in parts of Syria is so very far from the truth. No refugees will be sent back against their will until there is a negotiated ceasefire. That's what the Refugee Convention of 1951 states........

So no solution there.
In fact, if Merkel hadn't acted, where would we be now?


The Poles that I associate with are ashamed of the 7,000 limit set - never mind the unbinding racism of "White Christians only" - which pretty much reduces it to Assad and his gang - who don't need refugee status, as they have the Russkis doing their dirty work for them now.


You have some growing up to do young man. Nobody is going to mistreat refugees, and if they do, the full force of the law will come down on them - or EU law in the name of sanctions if you prefer?

Brother believe me, this is true that in many part of Syria, in some 85% of Syria. I have relatives living in Arab's countries, they told me about Syria, Syrians are going back to their home also from Saudi Arab, Iraq, Turkey, from many part of Europe and where are they going? You will not read in such news in internet. But may be later. In many part war is over now in Syria.

Thanks for your apologies, I accept it. What make us different from others, our Education make us different from others. Even if you meet an uneducated person in your life, never loose your patience. And never think that all people are same from a nation.

In fact, if Merkel hadn't acted, where would we be now?

Merkel is a German chancellor, she will think to save Germany first, since when she is thinking for Poles? You people should think for a solutions yourself. Merkel is not a polish chancellor, she could make mistakes too. I never understand why Germany invited all the refugees from the world. Africans, Asians, even south Americans and Red Indians are in plan. I don't know, what brilliant plan is behind that idea to hurt own Economy... Some fool can do such a mistake.

Less death, assaults and rapes. More money in Europeans pockets. Less social disarray. Native Europeans more accepting of Muslims. Trump still in heated Republican race


there are articles quoting refugees stating Poles treat them differently after last summer. Atleast staring and whispering. Non-refugee foreigners stating Poles have verbally and even physical mistreated them since last summer

Keep threatening and we'll leave the EU. The other homogenous Central/Eastern nations will follow. You'll be stuck with only Turks, Somalia's and Moroccans in your precious sinking ship Union. We are the last Whites left, get on your knees or we'll leave you to the barbarians

Sorry Nothanks - is that the will of the Polish majority? A referundum? That would be interesting. But you have forgotten one thing? It would take ten years for a country to untie its EU trade deals and obligations, and Poland will be net payers soon enough - so leaving isn't really going to do her any favours in the short term.


Everything as normal in Tri-City and Silesia - my two ports of call. In fact I see far more non-whites than ever before. They must enjoy being here!

This is all part of a plan to destroy the last few remaining bastions of homogeneous conservative Catholic European countries that haven't yet been overrun by liberalism, PC, multiculturalism, deviant sex, and all sort of other ills.

Considering Poland loaned the IMF $8 billion to 'save the Eurozone' paying 250k EU for every migrant that Poland doesn't accept could very well be worth it in the long run.

Polish politicians need to simply just get out of this debate and ask 'Why are we even being asked to accept migrant? Is there no room in majority Muslim countries that are pretty well off economically where there is no war going on like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, U.A.E., Kazakhstan, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.? Why don't these people go to countries that match their religion and culture first?'

Or they should just use Israel's argument - 'We're a small homogeneous country - we can't accept Muslim refugees' It seems to be working fine for them - no politicians are asking Israel to take in migrants. The slaves, I mean African migrants, that are there get paid pennies by the government to dig ditches in the middle of the Negev.

@nothanks

We are the last Whites left, get on your knees or we'll leave you to the barbarians.

No no not in such a way. Take all your benefits before leaving EU, as long as Markel is in the power, Poles can jump as high as they want all their wishes + dreams come true. Think for the future of Poland, even if Poland wants to leave EU, so Poles will not get down. These are the only good year which are left for Poles, once Merkel get out, no one will get you such Benefits again. Take more give less ;) than leave EU.

Leaving EU is easy, come on the street and start protesting, thats it...

"It would take ten years for a country to untie its EU trade deals and obligations"

10 years is a good time. Don't know about the future of EU after Merkel. I am not sure..

@AdrianK9

Is there no room in majority Muslim countries that are pretty well off economically where there is no war going on like Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, U.A.E., Kazakhstan, Qatar, Bahrain, etc.?

No one even request EU to accept Refugees from Syria, this is only Merkel's wish and not other Europeans or Europeans countries. I met many Germans, 90% are against her decision. Even Austrians said Merkel's Plans.. I can't understand, why Dr. Merkel is doing this? Anyways they said Merkel is happy. Turkey has accepted some 4-5 million refugees and enjoying bounty from Madam Merkel. Iraq has also accepted many refugees, but they are returning now to Syria. Saudi Arabs has also accepted some 4 Millions Refugees. Now Syrians are also leaving Saudi Arab because in many Parts fight is over.

May be Germans has many $$$. But again not my problem whom to help or not. Germans are throwing money so this is the only time for Poles, once Madam Merkel gone, everything will gone.

I do - dark, hairy, bearded, and burqa clad.

Whites are going to be a minority in Europe - just like is already happening in the US. According to a recent census report, less than half of children under 5 are white. This means that this generation that is currently children will live in a majority non-white United States. This is just with current trends - things like amnesty are the much higher birth rates of blacks and Hispanics versus whites are going to speed that up even more.

By 2060, census.gov predicts that non hispanic whites will account for only 43% of the total population - a declined of 20% from 2014. By the year 2044, non-Hispanic whites will account for 49% of the US population - meaning according to current trends that is the year where Whites will officially become the 'majority-minority'.

Meanwhile, thanks to the promotion of race-mixing, census.gov says the two or more races populationis projected to be the fastest growing over the next 46 years , with its population expected to triple in size (an increase of 226 percent).

Sad... very, very sad... and terrifying...

The worst thing is that for a long time most people wouldn't of thought this would happen in Europe too - yet the migrant crisis managed to change the demographics, culture, and politics of Europe within a few short years.

I just pray that Poland doesn't get sucked into this race-mixing, pro-Muslim, mutli-kulti garbage, and the destruction of the conservative Catholic family comprised of a husband and wife. We can only wait and see...


The economic migrants started coming into Italy - mostly the Africans and into Greece - namely the Arabs with a bit of Africans. Their whole plan was to go to Germany and take advantage of the welfare. Then, once Merkel said she would accept anyone that would make it into Germany, well then they got totally flooded.

This lady has some sort of complex where she feels that Germans must pay for what they did during WW2 - as if they owe the world a huge debt. Thanks to her complex, she has murdered German culture. Germany already had a ton of Turks living there - but at least these guys worked and assimilated. I know many Turks that live in Dortmund and they're pretty friendly people that have settled in Germany, follow the laws and customs, and do not push their agendas and beliefs on others. They appear to be hardworking and do not simply rely on German welfare money. The economic migrants that have come in are the total opposite - they destroy the streets, leave trash everywhere, rape and fondle women (like during NYE), attacks people coming out of churches, march with sharia signs, their imams speak in mosques supporting isis, they get free food, housing, and money - yet they demand more and on top of it they force their culture upon Germans. Many Germans have been evicted out of their homes because the government took over the properties to make it into a migrant shelter. Germans have had to deal with all the crime caused by these people. The state is spending tremendous amounts of money helping them. Yet not only do they refuse to assimilate but rather just establish ghettos where the police are even scared to go in, they don't want and push their sharia views on others, establish hisbah patrols, and even fondle, rape, and attack European women.

The worst thing is, the politicians actually are shocked that the average citizen does not want Muslims there - like they're actually surprised that a small town of 1000 people wouldn't want 300 people coming in speaking a totally different language, with a totally different culture and different reliigion.