Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

Indians too... a couple thousand isn't exactly plenty though... Again, countries like Germany, France, England, etc. have a much larger percentage of foreign residents/temporary workers/students/etc.

Poland is a very homogeneous country, and aside from allowing a few Ukrainians to take the place of the people who left to the west, most Poles want to keep it that way.


So is only 1/3 of Poles decent then?

In theory that's my position as well. But at some point countries do need to collect data on comparative integration/achievement rates and base ongoing/future policy on past experience. To do otherwise is to import mass failure.

Personally, I think the whole system in Europe is quite broken - even if you ignore the mess in 2015/2016, it is absolute madness that we have a single travel area without a single policy for long term residency. I'd like to see much more attention being paid to internal EU mobility first -it's getting better, but there's still large amounts of unemployment throughout the Union that can be used to combat labour shortages elsewhere.

Importing doctors, scientists, etc - OK, we can always do with more, especially if we didn't pay for their training. But we have plenty of unemployed Europeans that can do menial jobs, so there's really no reason to import such labour from elsewhere. Of course - integrating everything means common welfare rules and so on.

But yes, in general - there should be much more empirical data being used in deciding these things. The problem is that a lot of the worst ones are actually British/German/French whatever - which opens up the question of whether you wish to treat some citizens differently because their parents were x and not y.

Either way, I cannot forgive Germany for destroying the ideals of Schengen. It's ridiculous to see border fences on Schengen borders.

I agree. The fact is though, Italy and Greece begged to be helped when the first boat loads of migrants started coming in. The rest of Europe refused to help them so they just let cross through their countries as very few migrants actually wanted to stay there.

The fences on the borders weren't made to keep EU people out - they were made because of the migrant crisis. So blame them, not EU citizens.

I can't speak for Italy, but Greece is...special. They were refusing to accept EU border guards to help for years, on the grounds of "infringing sovereignty" - and then they changed their mind when they realised just how much impact the migrants were having on tourism.

I'd love to see a common EU border guard that could be deployed according to actual need. There's no reason why Poles can't help defend the Hungarian land border while we benefit from British experience in defending the maritime border with Russia, for instance.

Likewise, the Ukrainian border is pretty well defended by Ukraine, but a common Polish-Lithuanian border guard to defend both the Russian and Belarusian borders makes a lot of sense. The problem is that a lot of people don't understand the idea of cooperative policing - but who in their right mind would be bothered if a Lithuanian unit arrested some Russian sneaking into Poland?


I blame Merkel and the German government, not anyone else.

I do contribute by spending money in Poland plus I can vote and you can't.

I wouldn't know. I avoid contact with the 66 percent of TVN's respondents, apart from business, or a common courtesy. As soon as I realise that a person is part of the xenophobic, selfish, and church brainwashed two-thirds, I lose interest in them as people.


But I can Wulkan, in so many ways. Didn't communism show you Poles anything? Civil disobedience and putting it up them actually has an effect, especially if enough people contribute.

But you wouldn't know, having voted for a fascist non-entity with no economic policy to speak of. So congratulations for wasting your vote.

@Doug: same with me and I don't mind losing money as I refuse to work with such people (it happened to me again last month). Fortunately in places like Warsaw and a couple of other big cities there is quite a bunch of open people but franckly I would not imagine dealing with the huge majority in Polska B ;).

Delph - there are a lot of Europeans who don't want to work. Much as it pains me to say it, Thatcher was right on that point. Every successful economy has its' migrant workers, and only a right-wing think tank would try to argue otherwise.

I would say there are a lot of Europeans who don't want to work when welfare is easily available and employers don't want to pay enough to make working worth their while. There's a certain mentality that believes in the free market for everything except labor (where large scale low-skilled migration is purposefully used to drive wages down). In the US low-skilled immigration from Latin America devastated the black middle class by pushing them out of the labor market and onto the welfare rolls.


This is like saying that since slavery has existed for thousands of years and been practiced by almost all civilizations then it's okay. Low skilled migrant economies aren't that different from slave labor economies. they both depend on a docile workforce that has few rights and fewer options (this is why once begun low skilled migration must continue as anyone with options moves out of the starvation wage market as soon as they can.

Just read (AFP): EU commission wants EU countries refusing to take in refugees to pay 250,000 euros per refugee to country taking in said refugee. I am sure we'll "laugh" when Poland will have to open their wallets. Like Americans say 'to hurt the pocketbook" ;)

News re EU also in GW and I suppose Polish goverment shall start to shake in their pants ;);)

Can't believe it :)))) Hard to imaging anything better to show brainwashed Poles what "beloved EU" is, a friggin crap.

It's not going to happen. It's been several months already with PiS in charge and we haven't seen a big flood of Muslims and Africans coming in... Ukrainians, yes, but not Muslims and Africans.

That you don't mess with a higher authority?

@Adrian: have you read? if so, you'll get the idea that Poland (and others) will pay 250,000 euros for each migrant they refuse to take in ;). Poland who has been taking EU for a milking cow for so long will have to open their wallets. Welcome to EU!!! ;)

And as soon as they realise that they deal with an angry dog walking lunatic they lose their interest too.


So you finally admitted to be a low-life. A low-life with no voting rights to be precise.


There was no fascist party to even choose from to begin with and my vote including votes of my friends and family didn't go wasted, most of it went to Kukiz and some to PiS and they both did well at blocking the communist parties from the parliament.

When Germany makes unilateral decisions and then expects the rest of the EU to hop along behind Mama Merkel and then uses the EC threaten countries who don't trot along then it's clear that the EU is now morally bankrupt.

The idiot technocrats are doing PiS and similar parties' work for them by their cack-fisted tone-deaf policies.

If I didn't know better I'd think that Merkel and other EU elite are trying to destroy the EU. Do I really know any better?

I'd like to see the EU enforce that on the Visegard 4. Countries, like Britain, will threaten to leave the EU if that happens. There's quite a few people in Poland that are already very skeptical of the EU and are getting sick of EU hegemony and involvement in Poland's affairs inside its own country.

It's total b.s. though - I still don't understand why this is even being brought up. These people ARE NOT EUROPEANS! There are plenty of stable countries in Africa and Asia where there is no war that can accept people with a much more similar culture and religion. I mean for Christ sakes we don't even have the same skin color as these people they're trying to force on Poland.

Also, Poland's been using the 'we've accepted 1 million Ukranian refugees' argument lately.


They are. Cultural suicide. I mean even crosses and churches that have existed for centuries are being converted in refugee shelters, crosses being removed, and the society just transformed to not be 'offensive' to the newcomers - which are neither citizens, Germans, or have any sort of ties to Germany other than a wish to exploit the welfare system and march with Sharia 4 Germany signs.

I love this video - it's been circulating quite a bit online: youtube.com/watch?v=0P4OWmfB6y0
Lady tells Merkel off that she's not putting German citizens first.

Everyone is mind boggled. I'm mind boggled that the German politicians are mind boggled that the German citizens don't want to accept a flood of migrants.

Higher authority for free men means God. Not some shady creatures nobody ever heard about, pulled out like a rabbit from a hat!


Bye Bye The EU a land of bigots, thieves, hypocrites, perverts, usury and eunuchs!

The real number : 3.


Nice of you to regard civil disobedience as being low-life. I imagine you would've been quite happy to arrest members of the Pomarańczowa Alternatywa for their actions too, wouldn't you?

It's quite incredible how many PiS supporters completely support the same tactics used by the PZPR.

If they existed right now they would be fighting against KOD, a left wing communist KOD they would fight against.

@Adrian: not too hard for EU to charge fines to Poland (and consorts) as EU will just reduce funds given to Poland ;). Remember that said funds do not come from the "Holly Spirit" but do come from western taxpayers and that over 50% of said funds are paid respectively by Germany, France and Italy (official figures). Nobody forces Poland (and others) to belong to the EU so if Poland does not like EU, they may just leave but could Poland survive without EU's money? NOPE and hence problem for Poland. I suppose Poland was most naive when joining and also when having Merkel's lapdog Tusk appointed and now Poland has to face reality: EU is not "all play and no work" ;)

More like "EU" corrupted our ****** "elites" and they in turn where brainwashing people.

@Grzegorz: Poland is free to leave but the problem is that Poland needs EU funds. Believe me, most people in Western Europe are against countries like Poland being in the EU because it costs a lot (including jobs since western companies prefer to hire Poles (and other cheaper labor). Having countries like Poland in the EU is good only for western capitalists. I am against countries like Poland in the EU (what does Poland do for EU?) and also more generally against EU and I can't wait till it collapses (thanks, Frau Merkel! :))

That's one thing we agree on

Poland could use EU funds but it does not need EU funds. We survived this long without being in a Union.

exactly, Poland will adjust to the new circumstances, this idea that Poland is fixed as a dependent is abhorrent

"Poland could use EU funds but it does not need EU funds. We survived this long without being in a Union."

Bingo!

Fact is: Is beyond stupid when leftists and socialists say that poland should accept to receive thousands of Muslim Immigrants, where many of then are radical salafists and few of them have intention to slaughter some infidels just because Calipha Merkel is paying for better roads.

Seriously, this is beyond pathetic.

Yes, you "survived" and nothing more! I remember Poland before 2004 and it was like Albania or Moldavia. If now, Poland has modern roads, modern transport system (I remember old buses and trams breaking down all the time), including metro, modern equipment in hospitals and in schools, it's thanks to EU's generosity. I have never met ONE Pole against EU's money.

Pure hypocrisy!

no hypocrisy at all.you just too thick to understand.many ppl in medieval time very happy and imagine-they had no i phones and metro!!!!! can you believe it?

all is about feel of safety,unity,social life family life ect..
better ****** roads than muslim terrorists