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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



InPolska
9 May 2016  #2341

Towns destroyed by refugees in France???? Where? Nothing in the news but you do know about it???? Towns? Isn't high time to stop propaganda.

Trust me, in such a case, there would be a revolution there. So Towns are destroyed and the residents continue their life as always.
Pictures won't be a proof (anybody can make a montage) but give names of towns and I'll prove to you that you are talking bs

TheOther
9 May 2016  #2342

I was talking about the citizens of Italy, not the governments mentality.

Yes, the majority of Europeans - including most of the third or fourth generation Muslims who were born there - are against the uncontrolled wave of migrants (not talking about real refugees here!) flooding their continent. Their politicians have lied to them from the very beginning, and they still give a flying hoot about what the people they represent really want.

Take your home country of Germany for example

Are you into leather and S/M by any chance? For a relaxed ambience, I'd recommend the song "Bueck Dich" by Rammstein... ;)

InPolska
9 May 2016  #2343

Just checked thru google in both French and English and nothing! In English only 4 or 5 extremist sites mentioning gangs in Sweden, Denmark, Germany France and Italy when typing "towns destroyed by migrants in France" ;). You know something unknown in the news!!!! Give me names of the so-called towns!!!

Ps: if you mean Calais (= Not TownS ;)), yes, police destroyed their camp in order to instal them elsewhere and in decent conditions (with showers etc...) and they did not like it but it is NOT townS or even towN destroyed by migrants. You are so anti-French that you don't know what bs to make up.

Poor johnny! You claim something happened and NOTHING on the net. You are ridiculous

Yes, johnny, with your imagination, you should write science fiction! ;).

AdrianK9
9 May 2016  #2344

I don't believe it's about Muslims per se; it's more about uncontrolled immigration.

No its about non white immigration - it specifically states that.... According to a study in 2013 by the Centre for Research on Prejudice - a professional academic centre at the University of Warsaw - as many as 69% of Poles do not want non-white people living in their country.

Towns destroyed by refugees in France???? Where? Nothing in the news but you do know about it???? Towns? Isn't high time to stop propaganda.

You don't have to stray far beyond downtown Paris to find the majority Muslim neighborhoods where crime, poverty, extremist, and all the other wonderful things that Muslims contribute to society can be found.

nypost.com/2016/03/22/muslim-ghettos-in-europe-are-hotbeds-for-terror/

"Both in Paris and Brussels we have seen the radicalization of individuals which has led to these cowardly attacks on civilians. Unfortunately, these poor neighborhoods in which they live act as breeding grounds for terrorism because many of these people feel as if they have no other options or hope,"...

breitbart.com/national-security/2015/12/06/migrants-video-paris-attacks-good-2025-off-france-will-become-muslim/

Muslims praising the French attacks stating it's a 'good thing' that French people were killed.

We'll see how soon it takes InPolska before one of your friends or family members get raped, accosted by, or in the worst case killed by a Muslim. Will you still be shouting the praises of a multi kulti society then?

I wonder how many of the people who were killed or injured in the recent Brussels and Paris attacks (not to mention the dozens of other attacks that Muslims have perpetrated throughtout Europe) still love all the Muslims in their cities.

The libs say well, these 'no go zones' don't exist. Well, the fact is there are zones in France, Belgium, Germany, etc. where the neighborhood is majority Muslim, has significantly high rates of crime, unemployment, drug abuse, poverty, extremism, etc. with hisbah patrols and sharia flags that function as semi autonomous areas. So whether you consider that a 'no go zone' or not it's just semantics - there are many such neighborhoods that have those characteristics all over Europe - majority Muslim, unsafe, poor, high unemployment, high crime, and act as a breeding group for terrorism. Their neighbors won't even call the cops on terrorists and the cops are even scared to go in! Look what happened when the police went to France to find the perpetrators of the Belgium attack - they get shot at with AK-47s

nothanks
9 May 2016  #2345

"towns destroyed by migrants in France" ;)

Migrants want as much to do with France as they do Poland. Have you been to Paris in the past 15 years? Beggars and pit pocketers everywhere. You're (former) nation is an embarrassment to Europe. After the recent attack occurred in Paris my reaction on Fbook was "They made their bed and now they are laying gunned down in it".

johnny reb
9 May 2016  #2346

Marseille, France's second largest city ! ´´Non , c'est devenu la 1ère ´´...
And do you know what is the second language spoken in Marseille ?
It's French. The first is Arabic.
Give them Paradise and they will turn it to a garbage bin.
France is already gone.
Gaddafi once said in a speech that there was no need to invade Europe, because in 20 years Europe would be Muslim.
It has been reported in the London Daily Mail (January 2014) that 50% of all babies born in the UK in 2012 and 2013 were Muslim.
Poland wants to keep their culture Polish and my hat is off to them doing so.
Keep Poland Polish !

AdrianK9
9 May 2016  #2347

Muslims want to build the largest mosque in Wallonia (the French-speaking region of Belgium) on an 11,000 m² (118,000 ft²) plot...

The thing Saudi Arabia is actually the one funding these mega mosques being built all over the place. They donated some $200 $300 million towards the refugees - but only for the purpose of building mosques..

johnny reb
9 May 2016  #2348

Why do so many here demand that Poland change their culture.
They come here and promote things like accepting economic refugees to homosexuality in Poland.
Poland wants neither.
Their countries have/are being taken over so they want Poland to lose their culture too.
Take France for example and this was two years ago before the refugee invasion !

frontpagemag.com/point/214086/french-city-40-muslim-population-most-dangerous-daniel-greenfield

Lord save Poland from becoming like France or the U.K.

AdrianK9
9 May 2016  #2349

Johnny their claim is that there's 'injustice' and a lack of 'rights' or democracy in poland. They have no respect for what the citizens want.

As Putin said when he came back from Austria after seeing a transexual celebrity 'We don't want that kind of stuff here' to an audience applauding and cheering. This won't stop pu $$y riot from going into an orthodox church though and singing pro gay songs then complaining when the police manhandle them out of there.

No refugees will be accepted in Poland, as they pose a threat to security, said the head Poland's ruling Law and Justice party and former PM Jaroslaw Kaczynski, adding that Poland will oppose any law forcing EU members to pay €250,000 per refused refugee..

It's a miracle - a government actually standing up for the best interests of its people!

rt.com/news/342313-poland-rejects-refugees-kaczynski/

delphiandomine
9 May 2016  #2350

It's a miracle - a government actually standing up for the best interests of its people!

Best interests?

Remember that the West will remember this when the next round of EU budget negotiations happen, and it won't be difficult to convince Hungary and others to go along with the plan to cut Poland's funds dramatically if they get much more.

More to the point, if he's so concerned about threats to security, why isn't Macierewicz in prison?

AdrianK9
9 May 2016  #2351

I'll take belt tightening over Arab and African hordes any day.

delphiandomine
9 May 2016  #2352

You will, because you don't live here.

Poland is drunk on EU cash, and it's going to be one hell of a hangover.

whocares
9 May 2016  #2353

Lord save Poland from becoming like France or the U.K.

Amen. You got that right Johnny.

Wulkan
9 May 2016  #2354

I am amazed that they don't openly sneer at the Poles in Britain

Yep, looks like xenophobia is widely accepted on this forum.

pweeg3
9 May 2016  #2355

Best interests?

I suspect that many countries will block this ridiculous plan as it has the capability to destroy the EU.

AdrianK9
9 May 2016  #2356

You will, because you don't live here.

No but I was born in Poland, have family in Poland, have properties in Poland, and pay taxes, although yes rather small, to the PL government - I wouldn't mind paying a little more taxes if it meant keeping Arabs and Africans out of Poland.

This 250k Eu per migrant won't pass - this is just going to be a bunch of back and forth.

Literally a few days before the Brussels attack I said that the PiS government is just biding their time till another attack happens and they can say - that's it - no migrants - it's too unsafe....

Now they're just negotiating and will keep dragging it out till another terrorist attack happens thanks to all the Muslims that were let in - and it will happen it's only a matter of time - and then again Poland will say that's 3 for 3 - Paris, Belgium, wherever 3rd attack happens - we're not taking any Muslims in... or they'll just agree to take in some Catholics who knows...

One thing though is that unlike Germany and France, the Polish government actually cares about the demographics of its country and the culture and sees the implications on society thanks to Muslim and African migration.

Honest Pole
9 May 2016  #2357

capability to destroy the EU

Well that would be interesting if it were destroyed I wonder what would happen then?

delphiandomine
9 May 2016  #2358

No but I was born in Poland, have family in Poland, have properties in Poland, and pay taxes, although yes rather small, to the PL government - I wouldn't mind paying a little more taxes if it meant keeping Arabs and Africans out of Poland.

I don't have the data to hand, but you'd be looking at a significant tax increase to cover the money lost.

the Polish government actually cares about the demographics of its country

Not really. If they cared, they would drop the stupid 500+ programme that's handed cash to paedophiles and invest the money into nurseries and other programmes to make sure that women can go back to work.

More to the point, if the government genuinely cared, why is it so easy to get a student/work visa for a non-EU citizen?

Hypothetically speaking, let's say Ahmed from London decides to embark on a new scam to get his Pakistani friends into the EU. He gets them to agree to transfer him 2400zł x 12, which covers their salary for the first year. They pay him a few thousand złoty to cover the paperwork - so that's what, around 35,000zł? It's about 9000 Euro - and they can entirely legally get a one year work visa for Poland.

Student visas are even easier to get and require about half as much money.

Polonius3
9 May 2016  #2359

why isn't Macierewicz in prison?

Schetyna and Merkel for sure should be behind bars. We all know why Merkel should be. Schetyna's rabble-rousing, threats of toppling the government "using the streets and Europe", snitching on his own country to foreign institutions, governments and media and soliciting foreign intervention (Targowica!) and threatening to draw a million-strong mob onto the streets -- all that has created am image of chaos and disintegration prompting rating agencies to lower Poland's status. Even though the economy is in great shape, foreign investmetns continue and the GDP is among Europe's highest.

delphiandomine
9 May 2016  #2360

soliciting foreign intervention (Targowica!)

Exactly what PiS did with Brussels and Washington. Short memory...

Polonius3
10 May 2016  #2361

Vegemite

I guess I meant Marmite. Tried it once and once was enough. I presume it takes getting used to like our Polish flaczki, galareta z nózek wieprzowych (zimne nogi) and zsziadłe mleko z młodymi kartofelkami (Brits claim the milk is "off" when it clabbers).

InPolska
10 May 2016  #2362

Why are those NOT living in Europe so obsessed by socalled 'muslims" when MOST Europeans are NOT? Why not looking at reality instead of buying extreme right propaganda! On the net, we can also find examples to CONTRADICT your propaganda

If we listen to those of you who have NEVER lived in Europe, European countries should be full of muslims or whatever although there are only tiny minorities and guess what, in a lot of places, outside of biggest cities, you barely meet any;). When I go to France, for instance in small towns in the south, I can count on the fingers of only one hand those I can come across in one day and some days, I don't even see any ;). It is like that in all European countries. Of course, you know better because you are "experts" ;)

Proofs that your propaganda does not correspond to reality. If things were as bad as you pretend (but of course you have no personal experience), Europe would have become battle fields. Muslims have been in W. Europe for generations, and there have never been démonstrations against immigration and so forth. Even nowadays with the migrant crisis, how many demonstrations? Besides a few thousands of German fascists (in a total population of over 80 million ;)). In France, even front national never demonstrate against immigrants and guess what they also include some muslims in their ranks and quite a few muslims vote for them ;). In France, I do NOT hear people talking about muslims all the time, most people do NOT care and live their lives so why don't you live yours instead of imagining things.

If things are as "bad" as you want to believe, why don't you have millions of French, Germans, Britons, Belgians, Dutch, Swedes and so forth leaving their "hellish" countries???? Simply because life there is NOT what you pretend it to be.

The US are far from perfect and much more "colored" that W. Europe is and will ever so why don't you mind your own businesses?

Without any personal experience, how the hell can you know European REALITY??????

And what about systematic western European bashing by people who have NEVER lived there? At least, when we live/work in Poland, we know about life and can discuss it. In terms of so called "polonophobia", how can we be both "polonophobe" and having POLISH spouses/partners and often kids. Makes a lot of sense ;)

@Pol: as to Marmite, I have often heard Britons say that only they can eat that. In England of course I tried and no way!!!!

Dougpol1
10 May 2016  #2363

They couldn't make it in their own country so they came to a place where they could gloat and cash in on their native-speaker label.

Do fecking grow up Polonius.

Does that mean a million Poles couldn't "make it" in their own country so had to go to the UK post 2004? It's a free market.

We know you nationalists have a problem with that concept and secretly always loved the concept of Poland for the Poles aka closed borders, and communism.

They (nationalism and communism) are ONE and THE same. You need help.

nothanks
10 May 2016  #2364

A) "Most Europeans do not care about Muslims" is false. The percentage of Europeans that feel Islam does not belong in their nation is climbing up to at-least 50% continent wide. In other nations it is upwards of 75%

B) "Small towns". There is less economical and educational opportunities in the small towns. That is the point. If these foreigners spread out and actually stepped outside their large city bubbles, then they wouldn't be such an eye sore. All these "war scarred refugees" complaining how it's boring and cold in the outskirts. Many of them just want the fun and games of big city life. That is a clear indication they don't want to integrate, they just want to build ghettos/neighborhoods with their fellow country men.

C) "Why don't Native-X leave their homeland". Oh you would just love that wouldn't you? Let's abandon all our capital cities and then allow the Muslims to rename them to Berlinstan. Or Parisbul.

The only people I have heard say "Whoa Paris is so great. London is so great etc" are European-Muslims themselves or those dating Muslims. Everyone elses reaction is: "What happened to these places? It's declined into a dirty and squatters & beggars filled haven for ethnics. Where are the Native people?"

D) "There are no demonstrations" BECAUSE WESTERN GOVERNMENTS WILL ARREST YOU. Show up to your job and even take away your children. Wake up or be bloodied in the street with the people you continue to defend.

Dougpol1
10 May 2016  #2365

we're not taking any Muslims in

We - that's me, Delph, Harry, and 39 million others.
I say Poland has to tak e its' quota of refugees - and I sure as feck have a bigger right in legal terms than you to my opinion.

You don't live here. Probably you're not even Polish. We pay taxes here EVERY DAY of the week.

Now move along wide boy.

InPolska
10 May 2016  #2366

Nothanks: 1. I am NOT talking about current migrant (most Europeans are against) but am talking about those who have lived in Europe for generations). 2 do you live in Europe???? 3. I've just posted the REAL number of muslims in France and it has nothing to do with what you guys pretend ;)

nothanks
10 May 2016  #2367

I am personally just so sick of Muslims. I have an extended family member that practices. He spoon fed me all the current propaganda ********, 10 years ago. "Europeans aren't having children, they need us"

European Muslims and Black Americans. The loudest and most entitled people I have ever met. The cities they occupy revolve around them.

InPolska
10 May 2016  #2368

Hi Doug! check my message in which I'm posting the real number of muslims in France (not what the PF's fascist mob claims ;)). True re Poles in UK! ;)

Me too, I am sick of topic! Both in Poland and in France, I hardly ever talk about them. In France I don't know anybody who is obsessed ;). Obessions are psychiatric disorders and maybe that's why I'm not obessed. I'm simply fed up with all the BS read in PF so since I can have real numbers, why not posting them. Well, I suppose fascist mob will say that it is not true because of course they are "experts" in European and in "muslim" affairs... "lol"

Szalawa
10 May 2016  #2369

Surely the friction on this site is instigated, and no, it's not by Poles and Polonia. It's by a particular community on here, one that feels entitled to speak on others behalf based solely only on their own opinions, spout some propaganda and claim that if they don't keep on repeating it then it will go unnoticed (I'm paraphrasing jon, something about the ehemm "Truth" has to be repeated) and when we have enough of this and reciprocate they cry foul and resort to name calling and insults.

Again continually pushing an agenda while using the guise "I work here" or the likes of that. listen pals (figuratively, not literally), all that Polish forum has become (under the accusation of xenophobia) is from the likes of you, this community by and large opposes you. Go on and give information on the best hotels in Poland or where to go mushroom picking, you will not get any resentment. @InPolska You marry a Polish person, now you think you are entitled to speak on what is good for Poland and its people, more like demanding to be honest.

I express my own opinions and ideas, I do not claim the backing of an entire nation through some fictional discourse and I do not expect people to conform to what I believe in. I suppose that's the making of a brownshirt? hardly.

Not to mention the obsession of Muslims from the likes of you and the use of blackmail and guilt tactics. The current Polish government has spoken, you do not override the authority of Poland no matter how much of an inflated ego and self importance you may have.

and you should have added: hate Poles, things Polish, Poland and its history, cultural and religious heritage, try to impose their alien leftist-libertine ways on their host country,usually Anglomangle the language (never post in PF's Polish section for instance)

exactly.

InPolska
10 May 2016  #2370

@Szalawa: I suppose that I (and others) am more credible when talking re Polish matters than American neo-nazis are when posting non stop Bs about Europe, where they have never been ;). (I have for instance posted real numbers of muslims in France, siince they are so fascinated and needless to say completely different from what they want to believe).

What you don't understand is that while living in a place (for instance, Poland for us) we experience all aspects of local life, including of course the bad aspects and saying it does not mean xenophobia (check the meaning of the word).

PS: As to me, I am NOT obsessed by muslims! I have requested Administrators to let topics re Poland only in PF but to no avail... I am fed up of topic and fed up of all lies copied-pasted from fascist sites.

Adrian: put the idea in your head that more than 90% of Europeans are NOT Muslims so how the hell can neo-nazis living in.America "see" Muslims everywhere????

It would be like saying that obese rednecks are all over the place in the us although the % of fat as... In the us is several times the % of Muslims in Europe ;)


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