Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees

You are right: that friction isn't instigated by Poles or Polonia, but by a handful of fringe elements who claim to speak for Poland or Polonia even though they either have never set a foot on Polish soil, or have never lived in the old country as adults, or have turned their back on Poland at the first opportunity and are now pretending to be patriots.


She is definitely much more entitled to her opinion about Poland than anyone who writes from a godforsaken suburb in the greater Chicago area (not talking about you here).

It's not that simple, many of us have large families in Poland, which we contact and are concerned for. I would be considered the fringe element of Polish society, whether I was living there or not.

I do not adhere to conservative religious societies or out of hand leftist ones either, we have both peddlers here on this forum. We have those that defend Catholicism, then you have those that attack it, you have those that promote homosexuality and we have those that condemn it. You have those that welcome Muslims with open arms and you have those that meet them with distrust. But surely an Expat should not be demanding what Poland's foreign policy should be and pitching a fit about it because the government does not conform to their particular ideology. Sure you may have neo nazis on one end but you also have cultural marxist on the other


then the real figures are not known and therefor can not be disproved either

Maybe but when we do know the place, not hard do demolish the crap (check the "objective" source ;)). Also, how the hell do you recognize muslims??? Arabs? Nope, because not all Arabs are musliims and not all muslims are Arabs... ;) I know this sounds very complicated to fascists but the world is complicated, it is not as simple as they would like to believe it is

And of course, ,their socalled "checkpoints"' only exist in their sick fantaisy; proof, they are unable to give exact locations ;)

You guys are so ignorant that you are even comics!

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That's the problem, people come into Poland demanding that the country and people change their laws, attitudes, customs, etc. To adapt with the west. Well, we're not the west and the majority of Poles want to keep it a conservative Catholic society with traditional views.

Jon I've posted this many times - yes Poland was the first to instill a constitution and does have a history of liberalism, but the liberalism that existed then and the liberalism that exists now are pretty different. The liberalism you see in the US, UK, etc does not dominate Polish society. Ive proven this with various the sources I've posted which come straight out of Poland - for example, the majority of society is not accepting of gay marraige, would not accept a gay as a teacher, nanny, boss, (70% to over 80% with highest numbers being unaccepting of a gay priest and gay child minder) and also most Poles (over 60%) do not support non white immigration. So take your gay marraige and multi kulti utopia to the UK, we don't want it in Poland.

The reality of Poland today is different from the tradition of liberalism thay existed over 200 years ago.

Don't believe me? Walk around with an I heart gay marraige or I heart Muslim refugees sign by yourself and see how many dirty looks and verbal abuse you get. Do it in a downtown market or coty center because if you go to certain residential bloki the soccer hooligans will kick your ass all the way to the British embassy.

"Why are those NOT living in Europe so obsessed by socalled 'muslims" when MOST Europeans are NOT? "

Here is not a forum about Europe, is a forum about POLAND.

And if most of the frenchies like you dont care about Muslims Slaughtering your own people at Bataclan, most of the Poles Care.

So you are LYING. CBOS already pointed that 91% of the poles are AGAINST receiving "refugees".

So swallow your false inventions InPolska. No one here is so stupid to believe them.

Ps: Brilliant post Nothanks

@Johnny: konieć with (your) non stop lies and slander. Your hatred is non rational. I'm this morning forwarding a copy of your fascist crap to Marseille's Mayor (Mr. J.C Gaudin) and I don't doubt that he or his cabinet will react accordingly ;). Trust me, not difficult to demolish fascist lies ;)

Next piece of slandering!

Ok, no need to discuss with (most probably 300 kilos from Chicago ;)) brown scum who have taken over PF! Now, it's clear....

Basta!

My goodness! "Frontpagemag.com" - Johnny's "reference" - belongs is pure negationnism and evisionnism ... No wonder!!!! ;);)

High time to deal with brown sh{{t!

"Nice" crowd for sure in PF!

So without me!

(no need to answer as I'll no longer deal with nazis)

"(most probably 300 kilos from Chicago)"

It is amazing how you, when confronted by facts against your supposed "Welcoming Perception of Europeans regarding Illegal Immigrants", appeal to personal slandering.

So basically Johnny proved with numbers that you are lying (AGAIN) and inventing numbers about how "pro-muslim" are europeans.

And your reaction to this was to.... call him fat?

The practical effect of not collecting information on the basis of race/ethnicity/religion is that the government makes decisions in a state of ignorance.

I somehow fail to see how this can lead to good policy.

^ scary stuff

HELP !
Atch come bail me out of the pokey !
Poland would be much further ahead to tell the UE to keep their blood money and refuse the much bigger expense to Poland in the long run plus Poland would keep not only it's culture but it's integrity too.

Once the take over in the EU starts Poland will be the only country left in the EU that will be safe and their economy will boom with all the rich people from the EU escaping for their lives to Poland.

Communism and totalitarian PC libertinism are one and the same. They both engage in heavy-handed ideological brain-washing, tell people what they can say, write or read and intimidate or otherwise penalise those who defy that ban.

@Pol: don't exclude those brainwashed by fascists gurus (for ex Johnny Reb +consorts by David Horowitz, known as the MISinformation guru!). Now, I understand why he copies-pastes so much UNtruth. Very Dangerous!

You left out one little detail: given his background Po was almost certain to be drafted once his college deferment expired. Moving to Poland puts Americans beyond the reach of their draft.

@the other .....there seems to be a few people of polish origin leaving australia lately I just wonder why? Why did you? Marmite is inferior to vegemite.

I dont realky understand why they leave heaps of poles hold top tier positions here in all sorts of things. Send me a pm if you don't want to post I am interested. Dont tell me it's poloniaphobia lol cause I am going to puke,

Speaking of details, you have repeatedly failed to reply to two simple questions:
1) R U 1 2? and 2) Do you get paid for your liaison services in roubles, sterling or złots?

That dude is not Polish and he is a man of the world living in Cali not some pesky Australian although he was born there.

Indeed, they couldn't make it in their neo-colonialist Poland which instead of creating its own commerce and industry allowed German giants to take over the media, foriegn retailers and fast-food joints to dominate trade and foreign manufacturers to exploit Poland's cheap manpower, cheap assembly-plant sites and tax breaks.

Personally I'd love to see all the foreigners who cheated Poland out of property by using their dodgy connections from commie times to 'purchase' formerly state-owned property at knock-down prices having their money returned to them. Poland needs the property back. But I can understand why you wouldn't support such a pro-Poland policy.

Most went to Canada Harold and were called "Conscientious Objectors."
They weren't into napalming people.
If Pol would have went to Vietnam you would call him a baby killer, if he didn't go to Vietnam you call him a draft dodger.

So now that we have disgusted Pol's private business lets talk about your military career Harold.
You claimed to be a British Army officer back a couple of years ago then story changed to you only going to a British military boarding school and then the story went to just a orphanage boarding school for unwanted children.

Perhaps you would like to share the true story with us.


Sounds like someone is a tad bit jealous that they didn't have the connections to get a knocked down price.
I am sure if anything had been done illegal you would snitch on that person.
Remember Harold, "Snitches end up in ditches with stitches."

These lies by Rat Harry have already been repeated like a broken record ad nauseam, so maybe it's time to think up some new ones.

Here's a simple question you have yet to answer: R U 1 2? Fess up -- there's nothing to be ashamed of.

This is coming from a guy named Doug?

I was born and raised in Polish b1tch and I speak fluent Polish... I can trace my family back several centuries all of which lived in Polish lands. Can you or has your family become too mongrelized? I myself have several million z's worth of property in Poland and my family owns millions of dollars of businesses around Poland - delis, meat export, agriculture, metal fabrication, real estate, and one of the largest (if not the largest) hotel in the Katowice area. We pay more in taxes to the Polish government and have contributed more jobs to the Polish economy than you and all your liberal commie friends can even dream of.


You don't represent the majority of Poles and I hate to break it to you most Poles don't share the same opinion as you. According to a study in 2013 by the Centre for Research on Prejudice - a professional academic centre at the University of Warsaw - as many as 69% of Poles do not want non-white people living in their country. Google 'polish opinion migrants' and you won't find a single site that says something to the exstent of 'Poles welcome migrants with open arms - like the Germans!' Most Poles despise faggot westerners that think they're hot $h1t because they make a couple hundred a week teaching English. There's a reason why even our politicians say things like 'Migrants carry parasites and protozoa.' Get a clue.


Good thing there's far more people that say Poland shouldn't take in Muslim refugees than people like you. Bigger right in legal terms? How exactly? I can vote in Polish elections just as much as you can - assuming you have Polish citizenship. Here's another source that says 55% of Poles should not accept Arab and African refugees with 38% saying they should - sorry douche, you're outnumbered.

tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/polacy-o-uchodzcach-sondaz-dla-faktow-tvn-i-tvn24,582002.html

Don't forget - there's a reason why PiS won this election and one of their first moves was to prevent the Muslims from coming in. They since haven't let up because they're not giving into western multi kulti types that seek to destroy countries and create their image of western democracy worldwide without any regard for what the majority citizens want for their own country.

Also, out of the Muslims that Poland did let in - half ended up leaving anyway for places like Germany even after the government gave them housing, food, money, etc. paid for by taxpayers.


You just said in another post that it is illegal in France to public statistics based on race and ethnicity. So what is it? Where are your real numbers? You still never proved that the things like the Paris attack never happened, that there aren't autonomous muslim majority neighborhoods around Paris where crime, poverty, unemployment is rampant (aka no go zones according to gatestone institute), etc.


This happened in just about every European country once Communism ended - less so in Poland and even less in Czechy compared to Russia for example. You forget in many cases the government was happy to part with state assets to raise capital - just like Ukraine recently did with selling state assets for 50 to even 90% of their worth to raise money for the war with Russia. No one just came in and confiscated it - this isn't Zimbabwe under Mugabe.

Don't be mad because you couldn't get a $2 mil factory for $200k down. In the case of state owned factories sold to the public, the machines were usually taken out and sold abroad and the building left idle. These machine are now over 20 years old - I highly doubt the Polish government is desperate to get some Soviet era machines back.

Jealous? You think that anyone is jealous of those that worked for the regime?


You know, Adrian - boasting about wealth obtained by collaborating with the Communists is just not the done thing in Poland.

I never intended to boast but when someone questions my ties and loyalty to Poland, I am going to mention what I have at stake. My loyalties and my family's loyalty lies to Poland and what is best for the country and desires of the majority of the people - which evidently is to not have non-whites living inside Poland. Also, I never corroborated with any Communists - I was a little kid when Communism collapsed.

Plus, the business savvy types had no problem exchanging dollars, buying meat on the black market for their family, purchasing or even smuggling Western goods, etc. The only SB person I knew was a neighbor in my area who taught his son to stop sucking his thumb by wrapping his finger in chicken manure - imagine if a parent did that in the west.

You might not have collaborated, but your family members certainly did to acquire such wealth. I know the hotel in question because a friend held a conference there once, and it's not a big secret that the owner obtained his cash through some shady business dealings in the late 1980's.


You mean the ones connected to the Party.

Perhaps your family told you that they were "savvy in business", but that's a well known cover story for "being in the Party".

People did what they felt they had to do, but please don't pretend that they're anything other than what they are.

Like Kuroń, Balcerowicz, Michnik's family, Mazowiecki, Wielowieyski, the 30 PZPR and TW (secret collaborators) now serving as PO MPs in the Sejm, at least half of Poland's entertainment industry over 50 and the many ex-SB types in KOD!

We weren't party members - we just knew some people which happened to be party members and military officers as we lived in a tight knit community. For one, we all were very openly Catholic - something that party members typically shied away from. I had one uncle that was a party member because he was major in the army - but he made his money through patenting a revolutionary kidney dialysis machine not because of his connections in this case. Even having my uncle in the land forces didn't prevent my father from being conscripted. Also, quite a few family members went to work in the west and invested their money into inventories of certain items or up and coming small business ventures in Poland - goods that were pretty popular in the US but nearly nonexistent in the Poland like meat delis, Levi's jeans, VCR's, good vodka, etc. We had a Maluch in Poland which at the time was considered upper-middle class - if we were high up party members we'd have a Mirafiori, Mercedes, or some more expensive car like the officials. Obtaining a VISA took the right connections and a big of palm greasing - and even then it wasn't an absolute certainty and would sometimes get denied. Also, as far as the hotel is concerned, if he did for a fact do anything illegal he would be indicted, charged, prosecuted, and if found guilty put in jail - which he never was.

Even in Romania, one single lady was responsible for dubbing all the smuggled American movies into Romania. The guy who ran the operation was an undercover secret service guy and even though what he was doing was illegal, no one cared because he'd either pay them off or give them a copy of a western movie for free - which was very expensive at the time. So yes, he was violating the law and he was a party member but he was making money while providing a service that society really wanted which in the end help bring down communism. If anything, my family by doing the same thing - providing goods from the west like jeans, cigarettes, movies, meats, etc. made people realize there is another life outside of communism, that freedom is preferably, and that they'd rather live in a system where goods aren't rationed and they're free to spend their money as they please, helped doing their own little thing in bringing down the system.

Even if you were a party member, you still had to hide your money in Poland. Not every street cinkciarsz was a party member but still had to be smart about what he was doing - most of them probably paid bribes to party members to leave them alone but they weren't party members themselves.

We weren't in the party but we took advantage of the times and I'm glad we did. I did the same thing - I worked as a commodity broker when it was a hot business and it paid off my education. I have no regrets and I doubt my family does either. Plus, we used that money and the times to help the lives of other people too by providing employment as well as goods that were unavailable at a fair price.

It's a matter of using the time to your advantage - something that has been, continues to be, and always will be the main principle of the free market - buy low, sell high.

Adrian, please. A lot of people denied being members after 1989 - in your case, you probably knew nothing about what your family was doing because no-one would speak about such things openly (except the very few truly committed).


Remember that in a lot of smaller towns and villages, the two most powerful people were often the priest and the Party boss.


You wouldn't have got a lot of that into the country without good connections. By good connections, I mean having the right credentials to get people to turn a blind eye. Money wouldn't have been enough - you'd need to have the personal connection.


It's not a big secret that most of them were SB men pretending not to be. People changing money were left alone because it allowed the SB to build up a picture of who was exchanging money - which would later potentially lead them to a source of 'crime'.


In Poland?

It is what it is Adrian - the family was probably Party members through and through, they used their connections and used it to become wealthy. Doesn't make them bad people or dishonest, despite what a lot of rabid PiS voters would try and convince you.

How are you going to label my family as 'all Commie police and Party members when you don't even know us?' First off, I admitted we knew some low level/mid level party members and military officials but aside from 1 uncle who was and continued to be in the land forces after Communism, we weren't party members nor officials. I'm sure my grandpa would've entertained some of the local officials but he certainly was no Communist, secret police, or anything like that. Another thing is that party members wouldn't be allowed to emigrate to the US freely. We only got visas through connections and paying some money - as did the majority of the Poles that came to the US or the west in the 70's and 80's. Surely the millions of Poles that emigrated to the west during these two decades weren't all party members. A lot of people would even sign up as communist supporters just because they believed it'd help them get ahead - even if they adamantly hated the system they did it as a survival mechanism.


For a trunk full of Levi's jeans, giving away a bottle of vodka and $200 would've been more than enough for the border guard to wave you past. Getting a truck load or shipping container full of imported alcohol or obtaining a German BMW - yes, that would've definitely required more than just money for a bribe - and high level party membership at that.

My dad worked as a jeweler - that is what he was trained in and he received orders to create x amount of rings. He'd cut the gold, sell some rings on the side, use the machinery to make people stuff, etc. but he did that to make extra cash. Even when we moved to the US, he continued to work as a jeweler before we got into real estate and construction. My grandparents from my dads were employed in the meat and fur trapping - a trade that my great grand parents participated in as well and got into before even Poland was on the map again.

I know my family very well. Considering we've lived in the west for a long time we have no reason to hide it from each other. Also my grandparents as well as other family members made most of their money in the later part of the 90s and into the 2000's. During Communism, we had an upper-middle class existence but we weren't wealthy or anything.

I'm inclined to believe him. I've known former party members who pretty up front about it (for purely career reasons, by the late 1970s no one even pretended to believe in Marxism except in extremely limited contexts).

And the party wasn't necessarily a completely cut and dried affair, there was a kind of grey area of non-party people with party-ish connections. It was kind of like the mafia in Sicily in the first half of the 20th century (there were monks that collaborated with them and many regular people couldn't have answered if they were "in the mafia", it there were lots of shades of grey).

His family probably had some kinds of connections without official ties. That was a situation that was not rare.


Same thing in Sweden (another country proud to make policy in a state of ignorance). How's that working out for them?