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Poland under pressure of EU to accept more asylum seeking refugees



Lyzko
19 Jul 2016  #2551

Sadly, the train incident whereby that 17-year old Syrian migrant was shot dead carrying an ax on board, will merely fuel racists, bigots, anti-immigrant Pegidists and AfD supporters country wide. Most likely he did intend to do considerable damage, but now we'll never know for certain.

Merkel's a gonner in the next election. I can see a Petry taking over.

10iwonka10
19 Jul 2016  #2552

Awful, and the media at first thought it was something like the Nice killings

It is the problem we all get paranoid now. I think it was accident. I remember while ago some idiot ( I think he took some drugs) was arguing with his girlfriend and drove into pedestrian at bus stop. I think it was somewhere north on Poland

I was in Spalding 2 weeks ago.....but not long ago some boyfriend-girlfriend couple killed there mother and daughter. Madness!

Lyzko
19 Jul 2016  #2553

Poland's surely next for what happened in France and Germany!

nothanks
19 Jul 2016  #2554

Unfortunate - maybe. But sadly? As in it is sad the politicians are incapable of doing their jobs effectively. Many of these Western-European parties are populist, thus their ideals move according to general popularity at the time.

Lyzko
19 Jul 2016  #2555

Populism throughout much of Europe, from Scandinavia down through even Greece etc.. is quite similar to Nativism in the US. Trump's running mate Mike Pence considers himself an "America Firster". The latter has a valiant tradition in American politics, attracting even a few stray later civil rights liberals, no less, e.g. Norman Thomas and others:-)

mafketis
19 Jul 2016  #2556

Populism throughout much of Europe, from Scandinavia down through even Greece etc.. is quite similar to Nativism in the US.

The world political scene is in flux as it reforms form left vs right into globalists vs nationalists.

Lyzko
19 Jul 2016  #2557

How true, maf, how true indeed.

jon357
19 Jul 2016  #2558

I remember while ago some idiot ( I think he took some drugs) was arguing with his girlfriend and drove into pedestrian at bus stop. I think it was somewhere north on Poland

That was at Christmas/New Year if I remember correctly. Drink and drugs were involved. The incident in Bielany seems to have been deliberate but as far as I know there are no definite conclusions.

Here in Poland people are quite sensitive now, not just because of the news from France etc but also because of the Catholic Youth Festival in Kraków and the warnings about security issues. There was an issue on a plane a couple of days ago, on WizzAir. A passenger falsely alleged that another passenger was a terrorist due to his complexion. In fact he was a Polish citizen who was born in Armenia but had lived here since he was 3 - the police did apologise to him.

Worth mentioning that the number of people living here who come from the Middle East and there has never been a problem at all.

kondzior
20 Jul 2016  #2559

Here we are again. Muslim Stabbed Three Children For Being 'Scantily Dressed'
Do we want things like that in Poland?
breitbart.com/london/2016/07/19/muslim-stabbed-children-scantily-dressed
I'm waiting for those French vigilantes to FINALLY show up and do some house cleaning.

jon357
20 Jul 2016  #2560

Another racist posted about the same troubled young man the other day

kondzior
20 Jul 2016  #2561

We must show solidarity with our muslim brethren. Hopefully no one attacks muslims in retaliations. Oh god how terrible it must be to be muslim in racist Europe nowadays.

Wulkan
20 Jul 2016  #2562

troubled young man

He was just a murderer.

jon357
21 Jul 2016  #2563

just a murderer

Certainly a murderer, never 'just'. We don't know what was going on there and though most people don't want to know, we should probably find out.

Lyzko
21 Jul 2016  #2564

If "just" a jihadi-type delinquent youth a la the Nice lorry driver, then I'd say you're probably correct:-) Many, as you're doubtless well aware, had become converts to radical Islam WHILE MIGRANTS IN EUROPE, and not necessarily while in their countries!!

kondzior
21 Jul 2016  #2565

troubled young man

Here moderate muslims behead 12 yo child. Yeah I know they do it all the time but this time it was filmed in "propaganda" style.

See article, the somewhat censored video can still be found but I'd advise against looking for it.
thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/19/u-s-backed-moderate-rebels-behead-a-child-near-aleppo.html

jon357
21 Jul 2016  #2566

delinquent youth a la the Nice lorry driver, then I'd say you're probably correct:-)

Indeed, a delinquent. Not a refugee either.

12 yo child.

In Poland? No. In Europe? No.

nothanks
21 Jul 2016  #2567

Riots in France over "Police mistreatment of Arabs". Same self entitled virus that has infected blacks in the USA. Poland must never allow such demographics to gain access to our society. Asians also practice such policy

jon357
21 Jul 2016  #2568

Poland must never allow such demographics to gain access to our society.

You're too late. Poland isn't trapped in a bubble...
#nohate

Lyzko
21 Jul 2016  #2569

An interesting article I read by a gentleman apparently of Arab descent (but translated from the French!) seems to claim that France is her own worst enemy in terms of why such attacks as happened most recently in Nice, several months prior in Paris, and then the Charlie Hebedo horror etc. continue to happen above all in France, not Germany, England, Sweden, Denmark, Holland or other countries with significant Muslim immigrant populations.

France makes an almost manichean distinction between Church and State, more than any other nation, this then polarizing those non-indigenous ethnic groups within the country who feel disenfranchised by the the Catholic state and overarchingly Christian-French culture, even if only nominal.

Furthermore, unlike say, Germany or the Scandinavian countries, France had large non-white colonies for centuries, was therefore used to incorporationg, though not necessarily INTEGRATING, these diverse French-speaking non-Christians into their midst.

Now, it seems, it's payback time and France is feeling the full brunt of her traditional "openness":-)

Makes sense to a degree, wouldn't you say?

nothanks
21 Jul 2016  #2570

The history books (unless Muslims prohibit them altogether) will read that Western Europeans not only invited their demographic & cultural replacements but even paid and taught them how to breed with the Native women.

My frustration has shifted from: we must help save our fellow Europeans, to instead today: we can profit from the ensuing White Flight to the East.

As the low IQ migrants are illustrating: you can't fix stupid. Maybe Western Europeans are too gullible for the Age of Information. Won't be the first or last civilization to perish.

jon357
22 Jul 2016  #2571

France makes an almost manichean distinction

Basically they work on the integrationist model but the intended benefits of that model don't reach the banlieus, hence a huge amount of resentment among those who get the worst of both worlds. I would be angry too.

The history books

Fanciful.

mafketis
22 Jul 2016  #2572

Basically they work on the integrationist model but the intended benefits of that model don't reach the banlieus

Partly because they don't integrate enough and this partly because of their values which are largely maladaptive to a European context.

street.

a huge amount of resentment among those who get the worst of both worlds

I'm sure there's discrimination but.... it's not a one way street.

Part of the problem is that the French model doesn't provide a suitable identity to middle easterners and africans and so they cling to their non-French identity (and the more they do that the poorer they become so that eventually integration and success is seen a sign of selling out and betraying your group). It's a vicious circle.

Ziemowit
22 Jul 2016  #2573

Poland's surely next for what happened in France and Germany!

What makes you think so, Łyżko?

jon357
22 Jul 2016  #2574

Partly because they don't integrate enough

One problem among many is that the Maghrebien population in France often do integrate but still don't get the benefits of that integration, particularly where certain sectors of the indigenous population are concerned.

nothanks
22 Jul 2016  #2575

so they cling to their non-French identity (and the more they do that the poorer they become so that eventually integration and success is seen a sign of selling out and betraying your group). It's a vicious circle.

As Polish born but grew up in the USA, I say boo-hoo. I was placed in Spanish taught English as 2nd language classes, bullied and jumped by ethnics.

I never had the urge to stab, rape or murder. Their religion gives them an easy scapegoat and promises of after life. The religion is the problem. IE Bin Laden cane from royalty and studied in Switzerland. The recent axe on train attack involved a kid that I quote " According to the press, a family had befriended him and he had good prospects of begining an apprenticeship. He could have had a good life here in Germany"

Who isn't feeling jaded about current day life? More $$$ and toys is not gonna lighten up Muslims. They view wealth and our everyday rights as sins. Germans newest brilliant idea: we need more Islamic teaching in school to "re-brainwash" them evidently

Lyzko
22 Jul 2016  #2576

Because, Ziemowit, Poland is becoming ever more vulnerable to Syrian migrants, uncritically allowed into the country, many of whom MAY, just MAY, have ties to ISIS, that's why:-)

nothanks
22 Jul 2016  #2577

Another day
Another attack

> Search underway for 3 attackers @ Munich

> Border with Czech Republic has been closed. Stay on alert Poles

Lyzko
22 Jul 2016  #2578

Now they're saying it may have been a German nationalist type, not an Islamic terrorist!

nothanks
22 Jul 2016  #2579

Technically it could be both. A 2nd generation Turk angry at German Immigration Policy.

Lyzko
23 Jul 2016  #2580

Unlikely, as a German journalist on CNN reported the gunman spoke unaccented German and was railing out against foreigners, presumably Muslims:-)


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