Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

they all pays for `mistake` of EU. Bottom line is that Slavs would be reduced. It is always main aim of `Drang Nach Osten`.

Serves them right for invading a neighbouring country.

Easily. Kosovo has failed badly as a state - Chechnya would be even worse.

The thought of an Islamic caliphate in Chechnya is far, far more terrifying than the thought of Russian rule there.

Polonius, just from today...

thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/215285,Special-services-eye-200-terrorists

Give me Russians any day of the week. At least we know where we stand with them, unlike Polonius who actively supports Chechen terrorism against Christians.

Yeah, sure! Liberation of subjugated nations was aimed against Russian imperialism, not Christians.

Against Christians, Polonius.

christiananswers.net/q-eden/persec-chechnya1.html - complete persecution by Chechens. And you support their independence?

And you're the consummate defender of Chrisitian nations are you? Why not organise a new crusade. Take up a collection on PF - I'm sure you'll collect a total of at least 200 zł towards the effort.

you still insist on your fantasia? are you aware that politicians who might think like you like you may push all Europeans in hell? why you doing this? are you normal?

Tell me, dobri brate pane Poloniuse3, you don`t like that Franco Frattini? Yes? Is that the reason why you avoiding to explain why Frattini mentioned `mistake` of EU?

Even Putin now admits that Russian forces invaded Ukraine, so stop posting utter rubbish. I know that you don't want to admit that your Chetnik heroes took part in yet another invasion of a European country, but there are lots of facts about the Chetniks you need to face up to, such as the fact that they were scum who collaborated with Hitler and who now collaborate with the new Hitler.

ha

Two words for all people who aren`t normal but likes to visit this thread:

`Franco Frattini`

la la

Merged:Russia's nuclear-backed "little green men"

According to the Polish Institute for International Affairs, an unprecedented amount of nuclear-related signals originating from the Kremlin, including statements, bomber flights, and exercises, demonstrates that during the Ukraine crisis Russia has deliberately sent nuclear messages to NATO. Russia's nuclear muscle-flexing has been an integral part of Moscow's approach to conflict, backing up the credibility and effectiveness of its hybrid warfare campaign.

NATO has responded in a very restrained manner and rightly avoided engaging in tit-for-tat nuclear messaging with Russia. At the same time, however, the Ukraine crisis has exposed NATO's communication gaps and corresponding challenges to the effectiveness of NATO's nuclear deterrence and assurance. To adapt to the new nuclear landscape in Europe, the NATO Allies should consider rebalancing their thinking towards nuclear deterrence, a re-examination of their nuclear crisis-management tools and exercises, refreshing declaratory policy and re-designing their nuclear communication strategy.

pism.pl/publications/PISM-reports/Nuclear-Backed-Little-Green-Men-Nuclear-Messaging-in-the-Ukraine-Crisis

Old news. By the way they aren't little green men; they're actually grey.


mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/vladimir-putin-advised-aliens-councillor-5213887

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I am not sure if you aware of the fact that Donbass is situated west of Russia and the only expansion war fought at the moment is the war in Donbass by pro-Russia separatists with the assistance of the Russian army. So maybe it is "Drang nach Westen"?


Nobody has avoided anything. You have been told on numerous occasions that you need to educate yourself on the timeline of events of Euromaidan. If you would finally bother your arse to do so you would understand that there was no EU or NATO involvement needed. Yanukovich did everything himself to finally see himself having to flee from Kyiv and eventually the country.

Are you not able to understand the timeline of events of Euromaidan? Do you need help with it?


Exactly. You should stick to la la because "facts" don't suit you.

So Jolly, in other words, you think that you know better then Franco Frattini. Is that it? He nicely speak about EU`s `mistake` in Ukraine, while you insist on who knows what. Probably only you understand yourself.

Sorry Jollac, Frattini sound me more serious, more competent.

More competent in what suits your beliefs and propaganda. Have you bothered to educate yourself on the timeline of events of Euromaidan yet? Or do you want to keep telling me how incompetent I am without actually knowing what happened?

Crow, did you find some time to educate yourself on the timeline of events of Euromaidan? Or do you try to sit it out and at some point come back with your fantasies?

Jolly, my virtual friend, i see that you don`t like Mr Franco Frattini. But to tell you, he is by many consider to be fine gentleman, good European.

Well, what can we do. Anyway, next gentleman and expert on the field of politics (far better expert then myself, for sure), which comments would i gladly suggest you for reading, is Mr Vaclav Klaus. Yes, yes, Klaus is familiar with topic. He giving many many valuable comments in case with crisis in Ukraine, ongoing propaganda war, situation within EU, etc.

See for yourself JollyRomek > /just one small quotation from the article and you can copy paste link and read the rest/ >

Vaclav Klaus: the West's lies about Russia are monstrous

Neil Clark 27 September 2014
spectator.co.uk/features/9322652/europe-needs-systemic-change/

Is it proipaganda that Putin conducted a Hitler-style Anschluß of Crimea? Is it propaganda that Russian troops, artillery and missiles are illgally fucntioning on sovereign Ukrianian territory? Is it proapganda that Putin has denied it all or thought up hypocritical excuses: soldiers are given furloughs so they can invade Ukraine as "volunteers".

This is not to say that the Ukrainian side is totally blameless, but at least Ukrainian troops sare not on Russian soil.

Politicians are known to bend the truth, but Putin is by far the world's most bald-faced liar!

Polonius3, look deeper what Franco Frattini and Vaclav Klaus speaks. It is EU and NATO that wanted to capitalize on emerging voices for the reforms in Ukraine. They moved Ukraine out of strategic balance and then ethnic Russians there (and official Russia) moved to protect its historical rights in complex state such is Ukraine. EU and NATO wanted to prove how some in Ukraine want`s them, so Russia responded wanting to prove how somebody in Ukraine wants Russia. Rest is history.

Look how Frattini warns that same `mistake` of EU and NATO can happen on the example of Serbia (already happened on the example of Yugoslavia). Why destroy strategic balance of one country just that few magnates increase control over the world? So, NATO/EU already (at least in their rhetoric but i don`t have reason to trust them) correct their stance and says that they accept Serbian neutrality on global military alliances, that membership in NATO isn`t condition for EU membership.

Russia has no hsitorical rights to invade another country which is now fully independent and sovereign. Besides, Russia is so big territorially and in terms of population and is in a sorry state: decrepit, obsolete industrial infrastructure, glittering upscale showcases such as central Moscow in a sea of poverty and backwardness, widespread alcoholism and corrupiton, short life expectancy (esp. for males) and numerous other problems. They should clean up their own act instead of annexing, invading and trying to dominate neighbouring countries.

Lol polonium.your hypocrisy is stunning.. tell me,what's rights had poland an Ukraine to attack and occupy Iraq?and then comits mass war crimes by torturing prisoners?at least Russia can say,it's protecting 11 millions of Russian people being bombed by Nazi criminals .who were poland protecting in Iraq..?I remember disgusting polish media,bragging about polish occupation zone,and counting dollars we were supposed to make from oil.now look what happened there

All crap. They left. Parasite russia never leaves or will b there a long time. Parasite russia has tortured ukraine for eons. All land and items russia has occupied are a complete waste, no achievement at all. All land and otherwise taken by russia has yielded nothing it remains a backward brainwashed degenerate state. Utterly useless.

Poland was acting in support of tis greatest ally, the United States of Ameirca, the land of the brave and home of the free, in case you didn't know.

Yes the brave you know that's when you don't need nkvd death squads behind your real units cause your own countrymen don't want to fight for your degenerate slave state. Oh and freedom, I am afraid this concept cannot be explained to a lot of russians so I will leave it besides you are so busy bulldozing food into the ground while your own starve I'd hate to ruin the schedule, there's an evil piece of cheddar somewhere still to execute so no time for forums.

USA is also the land of greedy magnates who wants to control entire world, so that they wouldn`t be obliged to respect global international rules.

Supporting USA, official Poland thinks to choose lesser evil. That is still a negative choice.

I know you would choose Putin's Russia. To each his own!

few words to my Polish sisters and brothers. We have differences sometimes on this forum but, we share our love for Poland.

Among us, Poland and Serbia have need of Russia. Reasons are many.

If we hypothetically can imagine that Russia collapse then the next day after it, Germany would with Turkey split the South-Eastern Europe (not only Balkan) on their zones of influence. China and India would immediately fill the gap on East and they would come on Polish (EU`s) border. Germany`s appetites would continue to grow and, squeezed between `good policeman` (USA, Britain, France) and `bad policeman` (Germany), in not long period Poland, assimilated, would cease to exist as Slavic, as state. Serbia wouldn`t be so `lucky` as Poland. 1/2 of Serbs would be Germanized and Turkinized, 1/2 of Serbs would be exterminated. All other Slavs would also extinct.

So, much better to help Russia to change and to have a deal with Russians to share resources with them. Russians have a lot of resources.

Plus, we Serbs have need to be peace between Poles and Russians. At least, peace. Its in our business agenda. So, please.

Well do u honestly think we dont want peace with russia and trade and the rest? I know that you are way smarter than that. This is very difficult while nato paranoia exists, while putin is in, while brainwashed intellectual depravity rules its land and impossible while utter nonsense comes out of there insulting our intellect constantly. The damage he did to his own people materially but more so intellectually will take time to repair after he is gone. None of that is possible while he is in ukis land. No one is forcing him to do and say all this and its all self inflicted. The reasons given are made up by an over active if not deficient mind. Gotta go to work we need to make more cheese to send to the poor bastards he is trying to kill. C u later.

Marsupial, i understand what you want to tell me and i say that you are right in many things. But, do you understand me? Poland should start to think how to help Russia. Rapidly. In any sense, in social reforms, in economy, etc and, those voices in Poland that call for destruction of Russia, should be silenced by rest of the Poles (or destruction of Russia may become reality). That if Slavic Poland wants future.

As i said, if Russia collapse one day, thanks to Geo-strategic situation, Poland would very soon learn what actually already knows- that Germanics and Anglos truly and deeply hate Poland and everything Polish. Ironically, Russia is only obstacle between Poland and oblivion. Think about it.

Fair point. Plenty to do at home!

I do not know him, how can i not like him? I have told you that I do not care what he said. Following the timeline of events of Euromaidan will help you understand that no outside interference by EU or NATO was needed.

If you do not want to educate yourself on the events, then that is fine but please stop bothering me with your pish about what other people may have said or written.

The Euromaidan Events are facts. They happened and they are self-explanatory. If you wish to continue to spread your propaganda, be my guest but be prepared to be challenged on what you write.

True. When sex happens complaints can`t help.