Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

The article states this


The corrupt politician was on her payroll, she paid millions to him.
That is what the US says but you know better because you spent a full 15 minutes on wiki.
Her integrity is in doubt that's the point.

I have no idea who recorded the conversation, the conversation where she expresses a desire to murder millions of her fellow citizens, I accept it as real because I have no evidence it was edited you claim it was and I ask for proof.

Having a conspiracy in your head is not the same as me making claims. You made claims, you have an extravagant conspiracy I am simply asking for proof for what you said.

Any chance of evidence for your conspiracy? Any chance you could answer all the other questions you avoid?

As usual you are lying Barney: the article reports an accusation made by somebody else, an accusation which has never been proven or substantiated.


You were not asked who recorded the conversation, you were asked and have been refusing to answer for weeks:
was the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person?


I've already answered your questions today: you are refusing to answer mine. Here's another one for you to refuse to answer:
why did you claim that Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries when none of that is true?

That is all part of your conspiracy and internal dialogue.
I don't care about your fantasy and don't have to encourage your conspiracy, I accept the recording as genuine because I have evidence to say otherwise. You have a whole thing going on in your mind I would like some proof for your claims.

If you have questions about the practices of the US judicial system take it up with them it's enough that her political ally was convicted A man she paid millions to or so the US alleges.

Again do you doubt the veracity of your source which certainly questions her integrity? You can dismiss the source but it would be hypocritical.

Instead of trying to post about me, why don't you try answering the question, unless of course you actually want to remind us of why you have been have been refusing to answer this one for weeks:

was the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person?


You accept the recording because you have evidence to say it is 'otherwise than genuine', i.e. not genuine?! LOL! Nice one Barney.


For you maybe, but guilt by association isn't accepted by the rest of the world.


I have already answered that question, but I'm happy to do so again: I am not questioning the veracity of that source: I'm specifically pointing out that you are lying about what the article says. The article is not "question[ing] her integrity". The article reports allegations other people made against her. You are lying.

Now, as I have answered your question, how about you tell us why you claimed that "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries" when none of that is true?

Post about you?

You are asking my opinion on your conspiracy, all I know is the conversation was recorded and released onto the internet. I accept it as genuine because I have no evidence to say otherwise. You made a claim which you refuse to support you are lying, your claim has no basis in reality.

You have offered Tymoshenko as evidence I offered an article questioning her integrity. You don't like the source however previously you were happy with it, that is hypocritical.

Are you ever going to answer any questions? Answering with an other question is evasion. If you want an answer to your question go back a few pages it was answered, I don't care if you accept the answer or not, I gave an answer you don't answer ever. Start with excusing the Goebbels fans you have never answered that.

Er, are you lying now or were you lying in your previous post when you said:


After we've finished laughing at you, is there any chance you can answer a question you've been refusing to answer for weeks:
was the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person?

Harry there is a thing called a typo, every normal person knows about these errors and just carries on.

I answered your question above,


Source: The post immediately above yours

Now are you going to answer any of the questions asked? The one about your conspiracy theory or the one about the Goebbels people you insist are not neo nazis.

By not answering I can conclude that you have no evidence for your conspiracy and are lying about it. I can equally conclude that far right nationalists who describe the holocaust as a bright period and formed a think tank named after a Nazi are indeed neo nazis. You could correct my assumptions but for weeks now you have chosen to not answer.

No you have not. But that's OK, I'll keep asking it: was the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person?

Also, are you still claiming that "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries" or are you now prepared to withdraw and apologise for that particular one of your lies?

Harry

As said above

You are asking my opinion on your conspiracy, all I know is the conversation was recorded and released onto the internet. I accept it as genuine because I have no evidence to say otherwise. You made a claim which you refuse to support you are lying, your claim has no basis in reality.

Any thing else is mindless guess work.

The other question has been answered you will need search as you dont seem to possess a memory.

Now any chance you could provide proof for your mad conspiracy lies or explain why nazi loving thugs are not nazis in your mind I have been asking you these questions for weeks and you cant answer because you know you posted lies and like defending nazis.

No I am not: I am asking you if the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls was done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person.

Which was it: was the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person?


Could you perhaps quote from a post in which I claim that nazi loving thugs are not nazis? Either that or withdraw and apologise for your latest lie.

And please do try to quote me speaking about actual nazis, not the same people who you lied about by claiming that "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries", which was later exposed to be yet another of your lies.

Harry

You have a conspiracy theory prove it.

Do I Barney? I'd say that the edit job on that tape could be done by an eight-year old using machinery purchased at a car-boot sale. You are the one who refuses to answer the question of whether the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls was done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person.


I'll do that straight after you prove your claim that the tape is genuine.

In the meantime, why did you lie to us all by claiming that "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries"?

It's very simple, you made a claim I want proof or it remains a lie.

No evasion, no squirming, no fantasies just proof.

You made your claim first: I want proof.

Are you just hoping that by refusing to admit that you lied to us all by claiming that "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries" your lies will just go away?

You don't seem to possess a memory let me refresh it for you.


Source: a few posts ago.

I mentioned the recording you threw a fit and said it was edited I am asking for proof for your claim or as I suspect your lie.

You have a whole inner dialogue going on there with conspiracies etc you made a claim I want proof for it or it remains a lie.

I answered your question you will have to search for it if you can't remember.

You have the word of a globally respected former political prisoner to say otherwise and only the word of a pack of proven liars to say it is real. Funny to see you siding with the liars.

Now, how about some proof to support your claim that it is real?

Or would you to address you lying to us all by claiming that "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries"?

Or maybe you'd like to tell us if the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls was done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person?

You made a claim prove it


I never mentioned a conspiracy you did, I asked for proof.

I see you have again chosen the hypocritical path, your source is great when it supports your view but when it supports a different view it's inaccurate that is childish.

You made a claim: you prove it.

The support I have for my stance is the word of a globally respected former political prisoner.
The support I have for my stance is the word of a pack of proven and self-confessed liars. But, given that you're a well-proven liar yourself, it's not hard to see why you side with the liars, especially when the English you hate so much are on the other side.

Now, why don't you apologise for lying about "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries"? Do we not deserve an apology from you?

In short you have exactly zero proof for your mad claim, your mad conspiracy remains exactly that a mad conspiracy.

It's good to know that you have again chosen hypocrisy.

You say that the word of a globally respected former political prisoner is zero proof? Well, it must be worth more than the word of the pack of murderous liars you support, so you must have less than zero proof for your mad claim that the tape is real.


Do stop lying Barney: I have said above that the edit job on that tape could be done by an eight-year old using machinery purchased at a car-boot sale. You are the one who refuses to answer the question of whether the tracking, hacking and recording of Tymoshenko's telephone calls was done by a single person working completely alone or by more than one person. Why is that Barney? Why do you refuse to discuss whether there was a conspiracy to obtain the recording you so want to claim is genuine?

Proof Harry.


Because that is in your mind it's part of your inner dialogue! it's part of your conspiracy theory it's unimportant to me, I don't care.

Are we done with that stupid tape??

If so, here is an interesting survey, that maybe shows that Ukrainians are not as interested in taking up arms as some would like them to be:

washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/23/what-would-make-southeast-ukrainians-take-up-arms/

This reminds of a quote by Artemus Ward:
"I have already given two cousins to the war and I stand ready to sacrifice my wife's brother."

Very few people would be interested in violence in any country.

However, its doesn't take many people to cause mayhem. Northern Ireland had 200 active IRA members at any one time but still resulted in thousands of bombs, shootings and dead.

USA has spend Trillions of fighting a few hundred al-Queda

Asymmetric warfare is very hard to fight against.

Interesting to see live coverage from the ground
youtube.com/watch?v=VNig07RtWxA
I should really watch all these video's to understand what is actually happening, but in this video it appears as if the counter-terrorism Ukrainian army is giving pro-Russian protesters their weapons. Odd? But it's very clear the Ukrainian people don't want war

It seems like the current regime in Kiev is labeling Pro-Russian demonstrators as terrorists, In my opinion this can't be good. Hopefully this will not escalate and lead to some sort of civil war.

Men armed with AK-103's, RPG's and anti-aircraft missiles, flying the flag of a foreign country, are not demonstrators they are either terrorists or invaders.

They can legally be killed under the international laws of war.

There is no gray area in this.

I feel like this never should of happen in the first place, this would not be happening if the right sector did not over-through the government even if the government was corrupt, this seriously destabilized the country.

Ukraine was seriously unstable before, it was going to the IMF and has had 20 years of no economic growth.

What you see here, is the result of decades of corrupt politicians, ****** off people on both sides who want something better -

kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/portrait-of-donetsk-militants-disgruntled-soldiers-naive-idealists-and-reluctant-revolutionaries-345979.html

I don't know whats going to happen, but I think Ukraine is going to go into a civil war at this rate.... or split apart like Yugoslavia

youtube.com/embed/XqyzMpSmCZA
I hope this will stop soon, let the pro Russians hold their referendums in two weeks time that's all they want. The pro-Russian wan't to federalize to leave Kiev, what good is a hostile population to Kiev anyway?

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10806656/Ukraine-crisis-death-by-fire-in-Odessa-as-country-suffers-bloodiest-day-since-the-revolution.html

Angry locals in KRAMATORSK over government sending in the army
youtube.com/watch?v=aYLyJrOhpVQ

too much going on to get the whole picture of this crisis

It's no wonder that they are angry and worried the US and EU backed nazis just burnt dozens of people alive.

Most died of smoke inhalation.

20 were Russian or Transnistria citizens who came to Ukraine to riot. Start a war and get killed.. tough.


kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/sbu-russia-behind-kidnapping-of-osce-military-observers-updates-videos-346066.html


A survey in January showed that only 30% wanted to join the Russian Empire. What they really want is to have armed militia to select exactly who votes and force an undemocratic change on the majority who want to stay Ukrainian.

Let the presidential elections run first so the Russians can stop saying its an unelected government.

BTW, Russia insists that the election would be impossible with the current level of violence, naturally they think a succession vote is perfectly fine.