Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Nazi scum openly killing civilians in Mariupol,now,even those who are trying to surrender
things are getting shocking and disgusting by every passing hour.those Nazi criminal junta gonna be hunted like dogs one day.

militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236054-Ukraine-discussion-thread-Or-the-original-Butthurt-thread/page2280

why nobody is condemning this?what is the legislation regarding use of army against civilians in Ukraine?this is criminal sh.it

Gregy, you do realise that no matter how many times a lie is told, it does not become the truth, don't you? You can keep on screaming 'Nazis! Nazis! Everywhere!' but that won't make them Nazis. Sorry.

But of course you are welcome to try to support comments made here which are lies. Let me give you some to start on:
current Ukrainian Interior minister, Arsen Avakov, founded the Ukrainian Nazi Party;
acting president Oleksandr Turchynov got 1% in the 2010 presidential election;
current Ukrainian Interior minister, Arsen Avakov, sent special police forces to Odessa before the deaths there;
Neo-nazis in control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education.

their actions,their past,ideologies they spread and their own admissions makes them Nazi scum not me.
you make me puke Harry.you need to be better in whitewashing scum than that.this is primitive lies and manipulation.i would tell you what i think about you,but why don't you read between lines.i have said it already. don't see point in talking to your kinds,so don't expect me responding to you again.

Really? Are you perhaps referring to the claim posted here that the current Ukrainian Interior minister, Arsen Avakov, founded the Ukrainian Nazi Party?
There's just one problem with that claim: it is a blatant lie. Avakov did not found the Ukrainian Nazi Party. Avakov has never founded any political parties (although he did found a couple of banks). Avakov has never been a member of any 'Nazi' party. And there we have the crux of the problem you and the rest of the Kremlin supporters have: your position is based on lies, pure and simple lies.


Sorry but two classic examples of primitive lies would be claiming that the current acting president of Ukraine stood in the 2010 presidential elections, getting 1% of the vote, or claiming that Neo-nazis are in control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education. And those are some of the lies which are being told by your side. There is no need to whitewash people, it's enough to just tell the truth about them.

what shock me most is utter stupidity of Kievian government.do they really think that they will achieve long term stability and integrity by using brutal force and brutal suppression?

i mean,they labelled 11 million people of their own country,who don't like this junta as terrorist.this is insane!
the only way to maintain peace and integrity is to talk with those people,maybe offer them something like semi Independence or federalization but brutal suppression is short lived and it will lead to civil war.and hatred and animosity that will last for decades.those people will not forget Odessa so quickly and it seems that federalization door is closed option now. cus of stupidity of this government.

this government seems blinded by their own ultra nationalism and "Ukraine for Ukrainians"BS.

Are you going to support that claim or shall we just add it to the list of lies which grows longer by the day? You know, the ones about the Interior minister, the acting president, control over the Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education, etc, etc.

By the way, if you aren't too busy being outraged, could you perhaps explain how the government which was elected by the same parliament which was elected in the Ukrainian parliamentary elections of 2012 can be a junta? Especially given how the government contains very very few military officers. Do you actually not know what the word 'junta' means? It certainly appears that you do not.

The Polish government (in the same way as Polish people) see straight through Putin's latest comments:


reuters.com/article/2014/05/09/us-ukraine-crisis-polan d-idUSBREA4807S20140509

I can't help but notice that Russian/Ukrainian journalism is similar to what you find on front pages on Mexican newspapers.
Heartless.

according to polish media those murdered in MARIUPOL were drug addicts and alcoholics
they couldn't be made as Specnaz or GRU so paid alcoholics will do for now .labeling ppl this way so its justified to murder.whitewashing of this criminal mass killing begins

dozens of videos showing unarmed civilians being kill by lunatics in Mariupol.i dunno how they are going to hide this atrocity now

I think the Ukrainian gov is just losing its mind about this referendum happening on the 11th in Donbass and the thought of losing Ukraine's richest mineral deposit that it's getting frustrated and resorting to violence.

To Harry, not all people are Nazi's in the government but some are such as Oleksandr Sych (Svoboda party). No normal government would allow thing kind of extremism, so theirs two options 1.The Ukrainian government lost all control and is just a smiling face of Ukraine 2.Ukrainian government is in on it too. After maiden however, the social norms have been broken and we are beginning to see the consequences of that.

Also learn to read in-between the lines of both propaganda sources.

No gregy, that's not what Polish media said. What that source you linked to actually reports is a statement by a man from the Polish-Ukrainian Cultural Association in Mariupol that the supporters of Russia include alcoholics and drug addicts. Please be so kind as to tell the truth about what sources say.

thats what i said,,those people in Donetsk wanted to talk with criminal junta.and just another news come up saying that now talk is impossible after what they done in Mariupol.and now thay are mobilizing.

Kiev-appointed Kherson governor Odarchenko praises Hitler in Victory Day speech

youtube.com/watch?v=A05s6GrztbQ

he was appointed governor by Avakov

Again gregy, kindly explain how a government which was lawfully appointed by the same parliament which was legally elected in the Ukrainian parliamentary elections of 2012 can be a junta. You simply saying ten million times that it is a junta does not make it one. Just as you saying ten million times that the current Ukrainian Interior minister, Arsen Avakov, founded the Ukrainian Nazi Party or that the current acting president of Ukraine stood in the 2010 presidential elections and got 1% of the vote will make those lies in the slightest bit true. If you want to discuss this topic, you really do need to tell the truth about it.


I didn't realise that you spoke fluent Ukrainian gregy.

This guy is standing before WW2 veterans, their children and grandchildren, and essentially says it's a shame that they fought for their lives and won.those Kievian Nazis are just plain stupid

Again gregy, could you please be so kind as to explain which supposed Nazis you are referring to. Are you referring to the person which your side claims to be the founder of the Ukrainian Nazi Party but who in reality is no such thing? Or are you referring to alleged Nazis who your side claims are in control of Ukrainian Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education? Or do you mean the acting president which your side claims got 1% of the vote in the 2010 presidential elections?

I said i will not reply to some obsessed weirdos,but i will make this exemption.
point me lair, where did i ever said about some 1% election vote or and avakov founded Nazi party.please quote my posts in which i said about those things.

you pathetic lies and stupid attempts to discredit people here are disgusting.and those are mere attempts to spam news of yet another criminal atrocities committed by Nazi junta.

At no time have I said that you said those things: I stated that your side have said those things and that if you repeat them ten million times (you have not yet repeated them even once), they will still be lies.


As I have been polite enough to address your request, perhaps you could be kind enough to address mine? Kindly explain how a government which was lawfully appointed by the same parliament which was legally elected in the Ukrainian parliamentary elections of 2012 can be a junta. And can you explain why you insist on claiming that it is a "Nazi junta" when it is clearly not a junta and not Nazi.


If you could manage to debate without insulting people, I'm sure that that wold be appreciated. Thanks.

You are right. He should write "UkroNazi"...

you are Liar Harry..twisted disgusting manipulating,deceptive Liar.every your post stinks

No gregy, there is no statement there that you have told such lies, just a statement that in the hypothetical situation that you do tell them, they will still be lies.

I'm more than happy to make it very clear that you have not made those statement: you have not made those statements. I apologise if my post was not clear enough about that (I really should have remembered that quite a few posters here are not native speakers of English).

However, perhaps you could be kind enough to tell us if you agree with those claims? Do you think that Arsen Avakov, founded the Ukrainian Nazi Party or that the current acting president of Ukraine stood in the 2010 presidential elections and got 1% of the vote? Or do you reject those statements as the lies which they are?

Oh, and perhaps you could see your way clear to explaining how a government which was lawfully appointed by the same parliament which was legally elected in the Ukrainian parliamentary elections of 2012 can be a junta?

you make me puke Harry..you are really twisted Liar.to answer this i give you an example of how those "appointments" were made.

in february i believe..one of the very 1 bill "voted" by this parliament was one banning communist ideology.
bill was passed with no vote against and not a single vote withstand. even members of communist party in that parliament voted for this bill.

i don't need to add beating,one party region member burned alive and hundreds of Right sector thugs around.
only twisted manipulating Liar would believe it was fair appointment of government. videos from such right sector thugs parliament activity are available in hundrets

This has been explained countless times but ignored and questions are never answered such as the people who described the holocaust as a bright period and formed a think tank glorifying Goebbels why are they not nazis. The presence of the founder of the Ukrainian Nazi party, Parubiy, who sent the right sector thugs to the south and East is ignored his role brushed under the carpet. The man is in charge of security on a day to day basis.

The removal of the democratically elected president and his replacement by someone without a mandate is somehow ok and not a coup yet due process was not followed. The unconstitutional appointment of the Junta which includes nazi members has suddenly become democratic while similar tactics used in Crimea are rightly denounced as a farce, there was no free and fair rada meeting just as there was no free and fair Crimean vote.

If this junta is an interim body why have they been signing binding agreements that will plunge Ukraine into years of grinding austerity all without a shred of a mandate. They have not gone before the public and explained what is about to happen. They could have organised a bridging loan until the election but they chose to go the whole hog.

None of these issues have been addressed none of the many questions asked have been answered.

Good to see you back here Barney, any chance you can address the questions asked about your claims about the Ukrainian Interior minister and acting president?

Yes I know, some crazy radicals got some high positions of authority after Maidan. Oleksandr Sych is not the only one, it was just an example.

Hang on Barney, I'm getting confused. First you said that the interior minister founded the Ukrainian Nazi party but now you say the founder of the Ukrainian Nazi party was Parubiy. Which is it?

some thoughts from another site describing exactly wats happening now :

The problem is that now that we have quite a clear picture of right-wing organization illegitimately being given weapons under the pretense of "National Guard" where regular army and police do not go with order from Kiev due to their insanity. We have basically a PS/Svoboda party police bein given weapons and uniforms and unleashed clearly on civilian population. We have clear massacres in Odessa and Mariupol committed by illegitimate party paramilitaries. This is not regular police or army, this is PS/soccer hooligans/Svoboda extremists being given military hardware going on rampages in cities against largely peaceful or unarmed populations

those Idiots are going to plunge Ukraine in social and economic disaster

I and the world knows, the crazy thing is that the people have been ignored the unelected Junta have been signing agreements that will have a direct and devastating impact on their lives. Not one person in Ukraine apart from the Junta voted for this IMF austerity, not one person in Ukraine voted for a party that stood for austerity yet that is what they have got.

The unelected junta? Do you mean the government selected by the democratically elected parliament?

This is a report from a main stream British news organisation showing the "National guard" in action against unarmed protesters.

The National Guard is the brainchild of the known Nazi Parubiy, formed from Right sector and other nazis.
channel4.com/news/ukraine-vladimir-putin-russia-troops-withdraw-lindsey-hilsum
This is what was broadcast a few days ago, (it's worth watching to the end) Parubiy's fascists are dispersing peaceful unarmed demonstrators with live ammunition in front of the international media, they also beat peaceful unarmed Middle Ages people with guns. These people are thugs they hate Russian speakers as is apparent from their leaders utterances, it's becoming apparent to even the bitterest commentators in the MSM that most Russian speakers reject the Junta in Kiev they have no mandate.

Barney, how is it a junta?
And doesn't being elected by the democratically elected parliament give the government a mandate?

Idiot Lier Avakov presenting "proof" that specnaz is involved in Ukraine.. gun made in 60-ties...muahahahaha

news.pn/en/criminal/103716

"Sights on such machine guns in Ukraine aren't used. It is a sight of the last generation"

ppl on militaryphotos are laughing their asses from those guys stupidity..you just cant make it up..those guys in Kiev are other insane or totally retarded or just went nuts with their lies